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« Reply #12090 on: June 29, 2020, 07:08:25 PM »
McKenna was no more a prospect than Mulgrew, Coney or O'Neill were.  The odds were on him going more like them than becoming a superstar.  Tyrone's style doesn't lend itself to allowing players to flourish.

Come off it.

McKenna is by far and away the biggest prospect since Cavanagh.

Coney relied on his size at underage level and that didn't carry through to senior. O'Neill didn't have the physicality to make it.

McKenna is the complete package, he is an absolutely formidable athlete and a fantastic footballer too.

Very, very few cut the mustard over there. The only two that succeeded over there and returned to GAA briefly were Kennelly and Clarke. Kennelly won an all star and AI with Kerry in his one year back and Clarke brought Down to an AI final, won and all star and probably should have footballer of the year.

He becomes the main man for Tyrone if he comes home.

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« Reply #12091 on: June 29, 2020, 08:37:37 PM »
McKenna was no more a prospect than Mulgrew, Coney or O'Neill were.  The odds were on him going more like them than becoming a superstar.  Tyrone's style doesn't lend itself to allowing players to flourish.

Come off it.

McKenna is by far and away the biggest prospect since Cavanagh.

Coney relied on his size at underage level and that didn't carry through to senior. O'Neill didn't have the physicality to make it.

McKenna is the complete package, he is an absolutely formidable athlete and a fantastic footballer too.

Very, very few cut the mustard over there. The only two that succeeded over there and returned to GAA briefly were Kennelly and Clarke. Kennelly won an all star and AI with Kerry in his one year back and Clarke brought Down to an AI final, won and all star and probably should have footballer of the year.

He becomes the main man for Tyrone if he comes home.
Nicro is 100% right in what he is saying. Back in 08 coney was expected to be the next big thing in Tyrone. His form at minor level was something else. He didn't make the impact everyone thought he would or oneill either but it doesn't take away from the fact that they touted as the next big thing.
He's 24 now so there is still time, but if he leaves it much longer he mighten be the galeic player he once was.
Tim kennelly should have been on the subs for kerry, that's how poor his performances were. Only the management were loyal to him and sure as everyone knows the all stars are a joke

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« Reply #12092 on: June 29, 2020, 08:49:23 PM »
My memory of Coney as an underage footballer was that he was unplayable but that there were always question marks about how much of that was down to him being much bigger than everyone else. He was a man playing against boys. Is that right?
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« Reply #12093 on: June 29, 2020, 09:02:06 PM »
This narrative from Tyrone fans that some boy is the second coming of god and that he's somehow going to come home and win tyrone an all ireland because he played well for a few games for the tyrone minors when he was 18. Hilarious.

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« Reply #12094 on: June 29, 2020, 09:06:39 PM »
This narrative from Tyrone fans that some boy is the second coming of god and that he's somehow going to come home and win tyrone an all ireland because he played well for a few games for the tyrone minors when he was 18. Hilarious.

Who said that?
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« Reply #12095 on: June 29, 2020, 09:13:39 PM »
McKenna was no more a prospect than Mulgrew, Coney or O'Neill were.  The odds were on him going more like them than becoming a superstar.  Tyrone's style doesn't lend itself to allowing players to flourish.

Come off it.

McKenna is by far and away the biggest prospect since Cavanagh.

Coney relied on his size at underage level and that didn't carry through to senior. O'Neill didn't have the physicality to make it.

McKenna is the complete package, he is an absolutely formidable athlete and a fantastic footballer too.

Very, very few cut the mustard over there. The only two that succeeded over there and returned to GAA briefly were Kennelly and Clarke. Kennelly won an all star and AI with Kerry in his one year back and Clarke brought Down to an AI final, won and all star and probably should have footballer of the year.

He becomes the main man for Tyrone if he comes home.

This Coney size thing is over-rated too.  Its not like he was fetching balls from the sky 10 times a game etc, he was slightly above average height  but he wasn't exactly massive.  When you look at Aidan O'Shea, that was a man playing amongst boys that year.  His physicality was something else.  What stood out from Coney was his skill on the ball, not his size or strength.  O'Neill was brilliant in the 2010 All Ireland team, and both he, Mulgrew and Coney had as much, if not more, hype around them probably than McKenna, as they carried teams to the ultimate prize.  As for him coming back, he has been programmed differently now and won't be the player he could have been.  Most players come back different, look at Mooney - main man on the Down underage teams and scoring machine, now a wing back who is average enough.  Same with Clarke, was a completely different player when he came back, not as potent. 
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« Reply #12096 on: June 29, 2020, 10:24:28 PM »
McKenna was no more a prospect than Mulgrew, Coney or O'Neill were.  The odds were on him going more like them than becoming a superstar.  Tyrone's style doesn't lend itself to allowing players to flourish.

Come off it.

McKenna is by far and away the biggest prospect since Cavanagh.

Coney relied on his size at underage level and that didn't carry through to senior. O'Neill didn't have the physicality to make it.

McKenna is the complete package, he is an absolutely formidable athlete and a fantastic footballer too.

Very, very few cut the mustard over there. The only two that succeeded over there and returned to GAA briefly were Kennelly and Clarke. Kennelly won an all star and AI with Kerry in his one year back and Clarke brought Down to an AI final, won and all star and probably should have footballer of the year.

He becomes the main man for Tyrone if he comes home.

This Coney size thing is over-rated too.  Its not like he was fetching balls from the sky 10 times a game etc, he was slightly above average height  but he wasn't exactly massive.  When you look at Aidan O'Shea, that was a man playing amongst boys that year.  His physicality was something else.  What stood out from Coney was his skill on the ball, not his size or strength.  O'Neill was brilliant in the 2010 All Ireland team, and both he, Mulgrew and Coney had as much, if not more, hype around them probably than McKenna, as they carried teams to the ultimate prize.  As for him coming back, he has been programmed differently now and won't be the player he could have been.  Most players come back different, look at Mooney - main man on the Down underage teams and scoring machine, now a wing back who is average enough.  Same with Clarke, was a completely different player when he came back, not as potent.

Clarke may have been dogged with injuries but he was an absolute joy to watch in 2010 when Down got to the all Ireland final. If McKenna comes back and reaches anywhere close to that level then Id be happy enough.
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« Reply #12097 on: June 29, 2020, 10:40:58 PM »
McKenna was no more a prospect than Mulgrew, Coney or O'Neill were.  The odds were on him going more like them than becoming a superstar.  Tyrone's style doesn't lend itself to allowing players to flourish.

Come off it.

McKenna is by far and away the biggest prospect since Cavanagh.

Coney relied on his size at underage level and that didn't carry through to senior. O'Neill didn't have the physicality to make it.

McKenna is the complete package, he is an absolutely formidable athlete and a fantastic footballer too.

Very, very few cut the mustard over there. The only two that succeeded over there and returned to GAA briefly were Kennelly and Clarke. Kennelly won an all star and AI with Kerry in his one year back and Clarke brought Down to an AI final, won and all star and probably should have footballer of the year.

He becomes the main man for Tyrone if he comes home.

This Coney size thing is over-rated too.  Its not like he was fetching balls from the sky 10 times a game etc, he was slightly above average height  but he wasn't exactly massive.  When you look at Aidan O'Shea, that was a man playing amongst boys that year.  His physicality was something else.  What stood out from Coney was his skill on the ball, not his size or strength.  O'Neill was brilliant in the 2010 All Ireland team, and both he, Mulgrew and Coney had as much, if not more, hype around them probably than McKenna, as they carried teams to the ultimate prize.  As for him coming back, he has been programmed differently now and won't be the player he could have been.  Most players come back different, look at Mooney - main man on the Down underage teams and scoring machine, now a wing back who is average enough.  Same with Clarke, was a completely different player when he came back, not as potent.

Mooney would walk on to any county team on the country other than Dublin. He's an elite wing back and he didn't even make the grade in the AFL.

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« Reply #12098 on: June 30, 2020, 12:42:18 AM »
McKenna was no more a prospect than Mulgrew, Coney or O'Neill were.  The odds were on him going more like them than becoming a superstar.  Tyrone's style doesn't lend itself to allowing players to flourish.

Come off it.

McKenna is by far and away the biggest prospect since Cavanagh.

Coney relied on his size at underage level and that didn't carry through to senior. O'Neill didn't have the physicality to make it.

McKenna is the complete package, he is an absolutely formidable athlete and a fantastic footballer too.

Very, very few cut the mustard over there. The only two that succeeded over there and returned to GAA briefly were Kennelly and Clarke. Kennelly won an all star and AI with Kerry in his one year back and Clarke brought Down to an AI final, won and all star and probably should have footballer of the year.

He becomes the main man for Tyrone if he comes home.

This Coney size thing is over-rated too.  Its not like he was fetching balls from the sky 10 times a game etc, he was slightly above average height  but he wasn't exactly massive.  When you look at Aidan O'Shea, that was a man playing amongst boys that year.  His physicality was something else.  What stood out from Coney was his skill on the ball, not his size or strength.  O'Neill was brilliant in the 2010 All Ireland team, and both he, Mulgrew and Coney had as much, if not more, hype around them probably than McKenna, as they carried teams to the ultimate prize.  As for him coming back, he has been programmed differently now and won't be the player he could have been.  Most players come back different, look at Mooney - main man on the Down underage teams and scoring machine, now a wing back who is average enough.  Same with Clarke, was a completely different player when he came back, not as potent.

Clarke may have been dogged with injuries but he was an absolute joy to watch in 2010 when Down got to the all Ireland final. If McKenna comes back and reaches anywhere close to that level then Id be happy enough.

But Clarke came back a different type of player. He was a big scorer all through underage but didnt have that when he returned. Mooney was a game winner before he went, he isnt that anymore.
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« Reply #12099 on: June 30, 2020, 08:49:57 AM »
McKenna was no more a prospect than Mulgrew, Coney or O'Neill were.  The odds were on him going more like them than becoming a superstar.  Tyrone's style doesn't lend itself to allowing players to flourish.

Come off it.

McKenna is by far and away the biggest prospect since Cavanagh.

Coney relied on his size at underage level and that didn't carry through to senior. O'Neill didn't have the physicality to make it.

McKenna is the complete package, he is an absolutely formidable athlete and a fantastic footballer too.

Very, very few cut the mustard over there. The only two that succeeded over there and returned to GAA briefly were Kennelly and Clarke. Kennelly won an all star and AI with Kerry in his one year back and Clarke brought Down to an AI final, won and all star and probably should have footballer of the year.

He becomes the main man for Tyrone if he comes home.

This Coney size thing is over-rated too.  Its not like he was fetching balls from the sky 10 times a game etc, he was slightly above average height  but he wasn't exactly massive.  When you look at Aidan O'Shea, that was a man playing amongst boys that year.  His physicality was something else.  What stood out from Coney was his skill on the ball, not his size or strength.  O'Neill was brilliant in the 2010 All Ireland team, and both he, Mulgrew and Coney had as much, if not more, hype around them probably than McKenna, as they carried teams to the ultimate prize.  As for him coming back, he has been programmed differently now and won't be the player he could have been.  Most players come back different, look at Mooney - main man on the Down underage teams and scoring machine, now a wing back who is average enough.  Same with Clarke, was a completely different player when he came back, not as potent.

Clarke may have been dogged with injuries but he was an absolute joy to watch in 2010 when Down got to the all Ireland final. If McKenna comes back and reaches anywhere close to that level then Id be happy enough.

But Clarke came back a different type of player. He was a big scorer all through underage but didnt have that when he returned. Mooney was a game winner before he went, he isnt that anymore.

Clarke and Mooney both were brilliant youth players and as such were top scoring players almost as a consequence. They had to do it all at that level. But Clarke always played 11 at underage and from memory Mooney was 12 in his earlier days. He was a scorer of goals rather than rattle up a big points tally. When Clarke came back he was immense, brilliant skill levels, vision....a great player. Mooney is a super player now and is now remoulded into an attacking wing back with serious pace that most good teams try to have as a counter attacking weapon. As someone said earlier, would walk into any team in Ireland except the Dubs possibly.

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« Reply #12100 on: June 30, 2020, 09:15:33 AM »
McKenna was no more a prospect than Mulgrew, Coney or O'Neill were.  The odds were on him going more like them than becoming a superstar.  Tyrone's style doesn't lend itself to allowing players to flourish.

Come off it.

McKenna is by far and away the biggest prospect since Cavanagh.

Coney relied on his size at underage level and that didn't carry through to senior. O'Neill didn't have the physicality to make it.

McKenna is the complete package, he is an absolutely formidable athlete and a fantastic footballer too.

Very, very few cut the mustard over there. The only two that succeeded over there and returned to GAA briefly were Kennelly and Clarke. Kennelly won an all star and AI with Kerry in his one year back and Clarke brought Down to an AI final, won and all star and probably should have footballer of the year.

He becomes the main man for Tyrone if he comes home.

This Coney size thing is over-rated too.  Its not like he was fetching balls from the sky 10 times a game etc, he was slightly above average height  but he wasn't exactly massive.  When you look at Aidan O'Shea, that was a man playing amongst boys that year.  His physicality was something else.  What stood out from Coney was his skill on the ball, not his size or strength.  O'Neill was brilliant in the 2010 All Ireland team, and both he, Mulgrew and Coney had as much, if not more, hype around them probably than McKenna, as they carried teams to the ultimate prize.  As for him coming back, he has been programmed differently now and won't be the player he could have been.  Most players come back different, look at Mooney - main man on the Down underage teams and scoring machine, now a wing back who is average enough.  Same with Clarke, was a completely different player when he came back, not as potent.

Clarke may have been dogged with injuries but he was an absolute joy to watch in 2010 when Down got to the all Ireland final. If McKenna comes back and reaches anywhere close to that level then Id be happy enough.

But Clarke came back a different type of player. He was a big scorer all through underage but didnt have that when he returned. Mooney was a game winner before he went, he isnt that anymore.

You could say something similar about Ciaran Kilkenny when you compare him to Clarke, he's a different type of player at senior level than he was underage but he's still an absolutely top class player and one of the best in the game.

Clarke actually posted up high enough scoring numbers when he returend, mainly due to his free taking duties mind but maybe a lot of his scores underage were due to that also. He was the 5th highest scorer in the 2010 Championsip and Down's top scorer that year.

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« Reply #12101 on: June 30, 2020, 09:55:04 AM »
Can't agree with this Mooney making any other team in Ireland thing. He's a very athletic half back, there is an argument to be made he's not even downs best half back though with O'Hanlon having a very rough back injury and being out of sight as such.


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« Reply #12102 on: June 30, 2020, 10:33:35 AM »
I would imagine Mooney would make most teams in Ireland.  He maybe doesn't make such a huge impact as people expect as Down wouldn't be at the highest level currently. 
Mooney playing for Dublin for example, he would play a role similar to McCaffrey, and we would laud him for it. 

On most players transitioning from minor to senior, there are very few that make the same impact as when they were younger.  Tactics in minor and senior are also different and senior games wouldn't allow for the same flexibility as a minor game would. 

On McKenna, he would slot back in fine I would imagine.  Seems to be athletic, has natural pace and has great skill, and clearly buckets of confidence.  If you Tyrone folk don't want him, Armagh will happily give him a spot. 
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« Reply #12103 on: June 30, 2020, 04:58:21 PM »
Whos the Mulgrew being referenced here? Raymond?

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« Reply #12104 on: June 30, 2020, 09:24:20 PM »
Whos the Mulgrew being referenced here? Raymond?

I'd assume its David, Ardboe.