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« Reply #12000 on: June 24, 2020, 12:42:42 AM »
Harte is your Ferguson/Wenger. Youíd probably be right to say itís time for someone new but itís going to be a shitshow for a good while after he goes.

I would agree mostly with that. People who back harte always state that we could do worse. Fair enough but my response to that is have you honestly went into a top teir game in the last number of years and truly believed that tyrone could win it? I haven't. tyrone have not beat dubs, kerry or mayo in a knock out game in about 7 years or so.

What's the point in playing a bland defensive game of football all year only to know that you will be knocked out against one of the teams
it's been 12 years since we beat Dublin, Kerry, mayo in championship.

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« Reply #12001 on: June 24, 2020, 10:06:41 AM »
Harte is your Ferguson/Wenger. Youíd probably be right to say itís time for someone new but itís going to be a shitshow for a good while after he goes.

I would agree mostly with that. People who back harte always state that we could do worse. Fair enough but my response to that is have you honestly went into a top teir game in the last number of years and truly believed that tyrone could win it? I haven't. tyrone have not beat dubs, kerry or mayo in a knock out game in about 7 years or so.

What's the point in playing a bland defensive game of football all year only to know that you will be knocked out against one of the teams
it's been 12 years since we beat Dublin, Kerry, mayo in championship.

Is that stat true? 

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« Reply #12002 on: June 24, 2020, 01:17:31 PM »
Harte is your Ferguson/Wenger. Youíd probably be right to say itís time for someone new but itís going to be a shitshow for a good while after he goes.

I would agree mostly with that. People who back harte always state that we could do worse. Fair enough but my response to that is have you honestly went into a top teir game in the last number of years and truly believed that tyrone could win it? I haven't. tyrone have not beat dubs, kerry or mayo in a knock out game in about 7 years or so.

What's the point in playing a bland defensive game of football all year only to know that you will be knocked out against one of the teams
it's been 12 years since we beat Dublin, Kerry, mayo in championship.

Is that stat true?

Yup.

But context is important as always.

Kerry last beat Dublin in 2009
Mayo last beat Dublin in 2012.
Neither beat Dublin in the Jim Gavin era in Championship.

Tyrone have played Mayo twice in those 12 years, 2013 and 2016 and Kerry three times 2012, 2015 and 2019.

I think it just clarifies that Tyrone have been the 5th best team in the past decade.
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« Reply #12003 on: June 24, 2020, 01:52:22 PM »
It's a damning statistic. I think Tyrone could have beaten Kerry in that time. But Mayo and Dublin were just better teams. Mayo especially might not be remembered because they didn't win one, but they were as good a team as Dublin in my opinon. Donie Vaughan to this day probably still wonders what if.

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« Reply #12004 on: June 24, 2020, 05:05:01 PM »
It's a damning statistic. I think Tyrone could have beaten Kerry in that time. But Mayo and Dublin were just better teams. Mayo especially might not be remembered because they didn't win one, but they were as good a team as Dublin in my opinon. Donie Vaughan to this day probably still wonders what if.

I think we probably should have edged Kerry in 2015, missed 3 or 4 great goal chances. Last year was a mix of a criminal second half collapse and Maurice Deegan doing his best for Kerry.

Mayo were far better in 2013 but in 2016 Tyrone had the chances, even when down to 14 men to earn a draw at least.

The performances against Kerry and Mayo since 2015 haven't been bad, mistakes and missed chances have been the difference between us not winning those games.

The performances against Dublin however have been very underwhelming, the super 8s game in Omagh is the only game we've had them a little bothered coming down the final stretch.
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« Reply #12005 on: June 24, 2020, 07:40:53 PM »
It's a damning statistic. I think Tyrone could have beaten Kerry in that time. But Mayo and Dublin were just better teams. Mayo especially might not be remembered because they didn't win one, but they were as good a team as Dublin in my opinon. Donie Vaughan to this day probably still wonders what if.

I think we probably should have edged Kerry in 2015, missed 3 or 4 great goal chances. Last year was a mix of a criminal second half collapse and Maurice Deegan doing his best for Kerry.

Mayo were far better in 2013 but in 2016 Tyrone had the chances, even when down to 14 men to earn a draw at least.

The performances against Kerry and Mayo since 2015 haven't been bad, mistakes and missed chances have been the difference between us not winning those games.

The performances against Dublin however have been very underwhelming, the super 8s game in Omagh is the only game we've had them a little bothered coming down the final stretch.

12 years without winning against any of the top 3 is a damning statistic.

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« Reply #12006 on: June 24, 2020, 07:54:34 PM »
I wonder what our record against Munster and Leinster teams in the championship was like in the 115 or so years before Harte took over?
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« Reply #12007 on: June 24, 2020, 08:43:36 PM »
It's a damning statistic. I think Tyrone could have beaten Kerry in that time. But Mayo and Dublin were just better teams. Mayo especially might not be remembered because they didn't win one, but they were as good a team as Dublin in my opinon. Donie Vaughan to this day probably still wonders what if.

I think we probably should have edged Kerry in 2015, missed 3 or 4 great goal chances. Last year was a mix of a criminal second half collapse and Maurice Deegan doing his best for Kerry.

Mayo were far better in 2013 but in 2016 Tyrone had the chances, even when down to 14 men to earn a draw at least.

The performances against Kerry and Mayo since 2015 haven't been bad, mistakes and missed chances have been the difference between us not winning those games.

The performances against Dublin however have been very underwhelming, the super 8s game in Omagh is the only game we've had them a little bothered coming down the final stretch.

We were nowhere near beating any of those teams at anytime in those games. Your memory is playing tricks on you. We're a laughing stock.

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« Reply #12008 on: June 29, 2020, 05:40:51 PM »
Anyone know if the paid execs on the county board were still getting paid this last 3 months?

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« Reply #12009 on: June 29, 2020, 06:12:14 PM »
McKenna was no more a prospect than Mulgrew, Coney or O'Neill were.  The odds were on him going more like them than becoming a superstar.  Tyrone's style doesn't lend itself to allowing players to flourish.
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« Reply #12010 on: June 29, 2020, 07:08:25 PM »
McKenna was no more a prospect than Mulgrew, Coney or O'Neill were.  The odds were on him going more like them than becoming a superstar.  Tyrone's style doesn't lend itself to allowing players to flourish.

Come off it.

McKenna is by far and away the biggest prospect since Cavanagh.

Coney relied on his size at underage level and that didn't carry through to senior. O'Neill didn't have the physicality to make it.

McKenna is the complete package, he is an absolutely formidable athlete and a fantastic footballer too.

Very, very few cut the mustard over there. The only two that succeeded over there and returned to GAA briefly were Kennelly and Clarke. Kennelly won an all star and AI with Kerry in his one year back and Clarke brought Down to an AI final, won and all star and probably should have footballer of the year.

He becomes the main man for Tyrone if he comes home.
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« Reply #12011 on: June 29, 2020, 08:37:37 PM »
McKenna was no more a prospect than Mulgrew, Coney or O'Neill were.  The odds were on him going more like them than becoming a superstar.  Tyrone's style doesn't lend itself to allowing players to flourish.

Come off it.

McKenna is by far and away the biggest prospect since Cavanagh.

Coney relied on his size at underage level and that didn't carry through to senior. O'Neill didn't have the physicality to make it.

McKenna is the complete package, he is an absolutely formidable athlete and a fantastic footballer too.

Very, very few cut the mustard over there. The only two that succeeded over there and returned to GAA briefly were Kennelly and Clarke. Kennelly won an all star and AI with Kerry in his one year back and Clarke brought Down to an AI final, won and all star and probably should have footballer of the year.

He becomes the main man for Tyrone if he comes home.
Nicro is 100% right in what he is saying. Back in 08 coney was expected to be the next big thing in Tyrone. His form at minor level was something else. He didn't make the impact everyone thought he would or oneill either but it doesn't take away from the fact that they touted as the next big thing.
He's 24 now so there is still time, but if he leaves it much longer he mighten be the galeic player he once was.
Tim kennelly should have been on the subs for kerry, that's how poor his performances were. Only the management were loyal to him and sure as everyone knows the all stars are a joke

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« Reply #12012 on: June 29, 2020, 09:02:06 PM »
This narrative from Tyrone fans that some boy is the second coming of god and that he's somehow going to come home and win tyrone an all ireland because he played well for a few games for the tyrone minors when he was 18. Hilarious.

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« Reply #12013 on: June 29, 2020, 09:06:39 PM »
This narrative from Tyrone fans that some boy is the second coming of god and that he's somehow going to come home and win tyrone an all ireland because he played well for a few games for the tyrone minors when he was 18. Hilarious.

Who said that?
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« Reply #12014 on: June 29, 2020, 09:13:39 PM »
McKenna was no more a prospect than Mulgrew, Coney or O'Neill were.  The odds were on him going more like them than becoming a superstar.  Tyrone's style doesn't lend itself to allowing players to flourish.

Come off it.

McKenna is by far and away the biggest prospect since Cavanagh.

Coney relied on his size at underage level and that didn't carry through to senior. O'Neill didn't have the physicality to make it.

McKenna is the complete package, he is an absolutely formidable athlete and a fantastic footballer too.

Very, very few cut the mustard over there. The only two that succeeded over there and returned to GAA briefly were Kennelly and Clarke. Kennelly won an all star and AI with Kerry in his one year back and Clarke brought Down to an AI final, won and all star and probably should have footballer of the year.

He becomes the main man for Tyrone if he comes home.

This Coney size thing is over-rated too.  Its not like he was fetching balls from the sky 10 times a game etc, he was slightly above average height  but he wasn't exactly massive.  When you look at Aidan O'Shea, that was a man playing amongst boys that year.  His physicality was something else.  What stood out from Coney was his skill on the ball, not his size or strength.  O'Neill was brilliant in the 2010 All Ireland team, and both he, Mulgrew and Coney had as much, if not more, hype around them probably than McKenna, as they carried teams to the ultimate prize.  As for him coming back, he has been programmed differently now and won't be the player he could have been.  Most players come back different, look at Mooney - main man on the Down underage teams and scoring machine, now a wing back who is average enough.  Same with Clarke, was a completely different player when he came back, not as potent. 
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