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« Reply #12075 on: June 23, 2020, 10:45:31 AM »
It takes an awful lot to go your way as an Irishman trying to make it in the AFL. While the concept of the game is the same, you only have to look at the International Rules (back when Australia put out their best) when the Aussies kicking of the round ball was just not natural, so for McKenna to go there and do what he has done is absolutely exceptional and a credit to him as well as getting used to the tackle which he'd have had no experience of whatsoever - Unless he played a bit of rugby as a youngster, I'm not sure.

Conor Glass has done alright, wouldn't say he set the world on fire but he played a right few games last year. He's a few years younger than McKenna so you'd be expecting for him to really step up and push through this season. Conor Nash has been with him at Hawthorne.

If you remember back to the year Kennelly came back, as the undoubted best export he wasn't great....he was physical, sure. But skill wise he was just about alright. I think he got lucky, he wasn't winning the All Ireland at many other counties I would say.

I wouldn't call them failures by any stretch but it's been hard for most to come back from the AFL and be successful - Kennelly and Clarke you are right, Ciaran Sheehan was doing rightly too there this year....although Cork have no business being in Division 3. Colm Begley was another who came back into county football well. Probably could put Caolan Mooney on the successful comeback list too.

You could then look at Dyas, Niall McKeever, O'Reilly, Ciaran Byrne, Tommy Walsh....it really is 50/50.

Dyas and Walsh both tore their hamstring off the bone while in Australia, can be a career ender for some players. I thought Dyas was outstanding in the 2014 season where Armagh knocked Tyrone out and very nearly took Donegal too which would have put them in an AI semi final against Dublin. His knees gave out on him after that.

The likes of McKeever and Byrne went back to Div 3/4 counties and just didn't have the hunger for it.

Was O'Reilly ever that good?

McKaigue also had a spell in the AFL and has been a very impressive performer on a poor Derry team, O'Boyle never really looked the part for Derry but is he a similar case to O'Reilly?

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« Reply #12076 on: June 23, 2020, 10:49:30 AM »
Kildare are probably the county who have been hit the most in recent years by the AFL.

Flynn went and came back and looked a star forward after his stint in Australia.
Cribben has also been very impressive for Kildare since returning.
Brophy was quite a big prospect before he left but hasn't looked anything special since returning.
They also lost Hurley who I can remember destroying Tyrone in a league game at Newbridge, he went to the AFL but returned fairly quickly and hasn't made a return to the county fold but I think he's had some big injury issues.

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« Reply #12077 on: June 23, 2020, 12:25:23 PM »
O'Reilly was very quick, typical of what the Aussies are after. 

Sean Hurley that was, I remember that alright. You'd feel for kildare. It's tough as it is without that kind of in and out. All very good players arguably start on any county team in Ireland.

The pitch is nearly double a GAA size pitch, with the ball in play nearly twice as long. AFL is a brutal sport. Croke Park measures 145m long x 88m wide compared to the MCG which is 171m long to 146m wide. It really is survival of the fittest. Add in the heat that us Irish lads wouldn't be great with, so you have to give McKenna all the credit in the world. What McKenna Tyrone get back is another thing unfortunately.

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« Reply #12078 on: June 23, 2020, 12:35:14 PM »
O'Reilly was very quick, typical of what the Aussies are after. 

Sean Hurley that was, I remember that alright. You'd feel for kildare. It's tough as it is without that kind of in and out. All very good players arguably start on any county team in Ireland.

The pitch is nearly double a GAA size pitch, with the ball in play nearly twice as long. AFL is a brutal sport. Croke Park measures 145m long x 88m wide compared to the MCG which is 171m long to 146m wide. It really is survival of the fittest. Add in the heat that us Irish lads wouldn't be great with, so you have to give McKenna all the credit in the world. What McKenna Tyrone get back is another thing unfortunately.

It's certainly the big question mark if or when he does come back but he's definitely the biggest prospect Tyrone football have had since Sean Cavanagh made the breakthrough.

The two most disappointing progressions we've had at minor level in recent years have been O'Neill and Coney. Coney was a huge minor and I think his physical advantages at that grade never transformed to senior level though he did have a very promising start to senior county football, had a few really bad injuries and never seemed able to get his confidence back.

O'Neill doesn't really have the physical attributes now needed in the modern game and also had a bad cruciate injury in his first year with the senior panel, he always looks a little out of shape to me but I'd put that down to him trying to bulk up too much to make up for his naturally slight frame.

McKenna is a supreme athlete and he can play too. So far he hasn't had any serious injuries. If he was to come back, there'd be very, very few who could compete with him athletically and he has that natural maverick quality, he was a naturally two footed player, you even see his flair come across in the little snippets you see of him in the AFL. If he came back fit and well I'd see him instantly turning into one of the leading if not the best half forwards in the game.

It would be some shot in the arm for Tyrone football to have him back though.

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« Reply #12079 on: June 23, 2020, 01:35:02 PM »
Mc Kenna was/is a talent. I recall him playing for Eglish seniors in an end of season league game when he was U17( you know how that stupid rules now stops lads that age playing senior now ffs), he couldn't be marked and we had a few good defenders back then. Pace, power & balance blessed with a football brain.

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« Reply #12080 on: June 24, 2020, 12:42:42 AM »
Harte is your Ferguson/Wenger. Youíd probably be right to say itís time for someone new but itís going to be a shitshow for a good while after he goes.

I would agree mostly with that. People who back harte always state that we could do worse. Fair enough but my response to that is have you honestly went into a top teir game in the last number of years and truly believed that tyrone could win it? I haven't. tyrone have not beat dubs, kerry or mayo in a knock out game in about 7 years or so.

What's the point in playing a bland defensive game of football all year only to know that you will be knocked out against one of the teams
it's been 12 years since we beat Dublin, Kerry, mayo in championship.

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« Reply #12081 on: June 24, 2020, 10:06:41 AM »
Harte is your Ferguson/Wenger. Youíd probably be right to say itís time for someone new but itís going to be a shitshow for a good while after he goes.

I would agree mostly with that. People who back harte always state that we could do worse. Fair enough but my response to that is have you honestly went into a top teir game in the last number of years and truly believed that tyrone could win it? I haven't. tyrone have not beat dubs, kerry or mayo in a knock out game in about 7 years or so.

What's the point in playing a bland defensive game of football all year only to know that you will be knocked out against one of the teams
it's been 12 years since we beat Dublin, Kerry, mayo in championship.

Is that stat true? 

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« Reply #12082 on: June 24, 2020, 01:17:31 PM »
Harte is your Ferguson/Wenger. Youíd probably be right to say itís time for someone new but itís going to be a shitshow for a good while after he goes.

I would agree mostly with that. People who back harte always state that we could do worse. Fair enough but my response to that is have you honestly went into a top teir game in the last number of years and truly believed that tyrone could win it? I haven't. tyrone have not beat dubs, kerry or mayo in a knock out game in about 7 years or so.

What's the point in playing a bland defensive game of football all year only to know that you will be knocked out against one of the teams
it's been 12 years since we beat Dublin, Kerry, mayo in championship.

Is that stat true?

Yup.

But context is important as always.

Kerry last beat Dublin in 2009
Mayo last beat Dublin in 2012.
Neither beat Dublin in the Jim Gavin era in Championship.

Tyrone have played Mayo twice in those 12 years, 2013 and 2016 and Kerry three times 2012, 2015 and 2019.

I think it just clarifies that Tyrone have been the 5th best team in the past decade.

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« Reply #12083 on: June 24, 2020, 01:52:22 PM »
It's a damning statistic. I think Tyrone could have beaten Kerry in that time. But Mayo and Dublin were just better teams. Mayo especially might not be remembered because they didn't win one, but they were as good a team as Dublin in my opinon. Donie Vaughan to this day probably still wonders what if.

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« Reply #12084 on: June 24, 2020, 05:05:01 PM »
It's a damning statistic. I think Tyrone could have beaten Kerry in that time. But Mayo and Dublin were just better teams. Mayo especially might not be remembered because they didn't win one, but they were as good a team as Dublin in my opinon. Donie Vaughan to this day probably still wonders what if.

I think we probably should have edged Kerry in 2015, missed 3 or 4 great goal chances. Last year was a mix of a criminal second half collapse and Maurice Deegan doing his best for Kerry.

Mayo were far better in 2013 but in 2016 Tyrone had the chances, even when down to 14 men to earn a draw at least.

The performances against Kerry and Mayo since 2015 haven't been bad, mistakes and missed chances have been the difference between us not winning those games.

The performances against Dublin however have been very underwhelming, the super 8s game in Omagh is the only game we've had them a little bothered coming down the final stretch.

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« Reply #12085 on: June 24, 2020, 07:40:53 PM »
It's a damning statistic. I think Tyrone could have beaten Kerry in that time. But Mayo and Dublin were just better teams. Mayo especially might not be remembered because they didn't win one, but they were as good a team as Dublin in my opinon. Donie Vaughan to this day probably still wonders what if.

I think we probably should have edged Kerry in 2015, missed 3 or 4 great goal chances. Last year was a mix of a criminal second half collapse and Maurice Deegan doing his best for Kerry.

Mayo were far better in 2013 but in 2016 Tyrone had the chances, even when down to 14 men to earn a draw at least.

The performances against Kerry and Mayo since 2015 haven't been bad, mistakes and missed chances have been the difference between us not winning those games.

The performances against Dublin however have been very underwhelming, the super 8s game in Omagh is the only game we've had them a little bothered coming down the final stretch.

12 years without winning against any of the top 3 is a damning statistic.

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« Reply #12086 on: June 24, 2020, 07:54:34 PM »
I wonder what our record against Munster and Leinster teams in the championship was like in the 115 or so years before Harte took over?
« Last Edit: June 24, 2020, 08:14:03 PM by BennyHarp »
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« Reply #12087 on: June 24, 2020, 08:43:36 PM »
It's a damning statistic. I think Tyrone could have beaten Kerry in that time. But Mayo and Dublin were just better teams. Mayo especially might not be remembered because they didn't win one, but they were as good a team as Dublin in my opinon. Donie Vaughan to this day probably still wonders what if.

I think we probably should have edged Kerry in 2015, missed 3 or 4 great goal chances. Last year was a mix of a criminal second half collapse and Maurice Deegan doing his best for Kerry.

Mayo were far better in 2013 but in 2016 Tyrone had the chances, even when down to 14 men to earn a draw at least.

The performances against Kerry and Mayo since 2015 haven't been bad, mistakes and missed chances have been the difference between us not winning those games.

The performances against Dublin however have been very underwhelming, the super 8s game in Omagh is the only game we've had them a little bothered coming down the final stretch.

We were nowhere near beating any of those teams at anytime in those games. Your memory is playing tricks on you. We're a laughing stock.

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« Reply #12088 on: June 29, 2020, 05:40:51 PM »
Anyone know if the paid execs on the county board were still getting paid this last 3 months?

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« Reply #12089 on: June 29, 2020, 06:12:14 PM »
McKenna was no more a prospect than Mulgrew, Coney or O'Neill were.  The odds were on him going more like them than becoming a superstar.  Tyrone's style doesn't lend itself to allowing players to flourish.
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