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« Reply #11670 on: February 14, 2020, 08:14:03 AM »
He could come back and fit in quickly, or he could come back and simply not be as good as we imagined.  I always look at how good Caolan Mooney was at under-age and the speed he possessed, but he hasn't set the world alight for Down since he came back.  As mentioned, being unreal at minor is seemingly a jinx in Tyrone, whether thats an issue with the management or something else, I don't know - see Mulgrew, Coney, O'Neill.
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« Reply #11671 on: February 14, 2020, 08:17:57 AM »
He could come back and fit in quickly, or he could come back and simply not be as good as we imagined.  I always look at how good Caolan Mooney was at under-age and the speed he possessed, but he hasn't set the world alight for Down since he came back.  As mentioned, being unreal at minor is seemingly a jinx in Tyrone, whether thats an issue with the management or something else, I don't know - see Mulgrew, Coney, O'Neill.

Mooney came back with injury problems but has improved since.

In terms of the minors not making it you could find loads of examples of good minors not making it in all counties. There is a lot more physicality needed at senior level and that's where some of our players have struggled, O'Neill wasn't helped by injuries at a crucial time. You could find plenty of examples of good minors making it Tyrone in the last 20 years - starting with the 97/98 team, then the likes of Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly, Harte etc.

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« Reply #11672 on: February 14, 2020, 08:51:52 AM »
what sort of money are the top afl players on

Millions of Aussie dollars between contract and sponsorships. McKenna is in the top 10 best players at his club so big money would have been on the horizon. Heís mad in the head moving home if heís just homesick. If there is something else more serious then itís totally understandable to come home.

I don't think he is anywhere near earning millions of Aussie Dollars. But he would still be earning good money. But life isn't all about money and it sounds like he's been struggling out there for a long time. 5 years is a long time for a lad to go away from home if he's not happy. You can't put a price tag for example on spending time with family and friends. Hopefully he makes the decision which is best for himself. If he does want home hopefully he can get a good education and job. It would be great to see him back in a Tyrone shirt.
Forget about him playing for anyone other than Essendon in the immediate future, he's definitely playing for them again when the season starts. Hopefully see him with Tyrone at some stage but won't be happening while he is still under contract which runs til the 2021 season.

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« Reply #11673 on: February 14, 2020, 08:55:08 AM »
He could come back and fit in quickly, or he could come back and simply not be as good as we imagined.  I always look at how good Caolan Mooney was at under-age and the speed he possessed, but he hasn't set the world alight for Down since he came back.  As mentioned, being unreal at minor is seemingly a jinx in Tyrone, whether thats an issue with the management or something else, I don't know - see Mulgrew, Coney, O'Neill.

I think Mooney has been really good the past couple of years, he's just playing in a fairly average Down side. I thought he was exceptional the year they made the Ulster final.

Also worth noting that Mooney didn't make the grade at AFL, McKenna has excelled.

Mooney was pure speed and power, he wouldn't have had the same footballing ability as McKenna. You look at the scoring rate of McKenna at minor level for Tyrone, he played a lot of his football and midfield and was regularly hitting the likes of 1-04 a game with a fair chunk of that from play.

It's not set in stone but I haven't been as excited or expectant of player to come out of Tyrone since Cavanagh.

Coney and O'Neill had physical issues when it came to senior football. Coney found the physical dominance he had at minor level no longer existed at senior level, O'Neill just didn't have the physique and pace needed at this level - a bad injury for him just out of minor compounded that.
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« Reply #11674 on: February 14, 2020, 09:00:13 AM »
what sort of money are the top afl players on

Millions of Aussie dollars between contract and sponsorships. McKenna is in the top 10 best players at his club so big money would have been on the horizon. Heís mad in the head moving home if heís just homesick. If there is something else more serious then itís totally understandable to come home.

I don't think he is anywhere near earning millions of Aussie Dollars. But he would still be earning good money. But life isn't all about money and it sounds like he's been struggling out there for a long time. 5 years is a long time for a lad to go away from home if he's not happy. You can't put a price tag for example on spending time with family and friends. Hopefully he makes the decision which is best for himself. If he does want home hopefully he can get a good education and job. It would be great to see him back in a Tyrone shirt.

No heís def not earning anywhere near that but the top players would be. Buddy Franklin signed a big contract but his endorsements make him just as much. The salary cap doesnít allow for teams to pay their players silly money.

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« Reply #11675 on: February 14, 2020, 09:00:32 AM »
Conor McKenna playing in the MacRory Cup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hEshsQY_9Q

Back training with Eglish last night apparently.
Contacted a player, Eglish haven't trained this week..

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« Reply #11676 on: February 14, 2020, 09:17:30 AM »
It's a story that will rumble on until we get an definitive answer, similar to McShane.

None of us really know and speculation will be rife.

I'm looking at it objectively.

- He clearly misses home, I think he misses gaelic football and misses playing for Tyrone.
- He's had 5 years out in Australia, he'd be reasonably well set up financially. He has probably enough money in the bank now to go back to Eglish and buy or build a house for himself and he's only 23. His profile in gaelic football will see him well looked after.
- I think the timing of it is striking, you don't want an important player going 4 weeks before the season starts in a professional sport. Missing the entire pre season sets you back a long way, particularly in a pro game
- There's a bit of a buzz back around Tyrone now with McShane returning and the speculation re McKenna. I'm sure Mickey Harte will be doing everything he possibly can to keep him here and I think he'll use that buzz to try and tap into McKenna's head.
- His contract with Essedon is not an issue, it's only an issue if he breaks it and goes to play with another AFL side. Plenty of Irish lads break their contract and return home when they get homesick or realise the game is not for them
- The big issue is McKenna clearly is not enjoying it over there, despite the money, weather, pro lifestlye

I'm very hopeful he could be home for good. He has options here, he'll be well looked after with a job or UUJ will be rolling out the red carpet for him if he decides to stay. Again, it's just speculation but it's my read on matters.

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« Reply #11677 on: February 14, 2020, 09:27:36 AM »
Essendon are not going to 'go after' McKenna if he comes home. It's very important that AFL Clubs are seen to be doing right by the Irish lads as they want to be as attractive as possible for the next superstar.

There are lots of barriers re McKenna coming back. I don't think this is one of them.
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« Reply #11678 on: February 14, 2020, 09:36:48 AM »
It's a story that will rumble on until we get an definitive answer, similar to McShane.

None of us really know and speculation will be rife.

I'm looking at it objectively.

- He clearly misses home, I think he misses gaelic football and misses playing for Tyrone.
- He's had 5 years out in Australia, he'd be reasonably well set up financially. He has probably enough money in the bank now to go back to Eglish and buy or build a house for himself and he's only 23. His profile in gaelic football will see him well looked after.
- I think the timing of it is striking, you don't want an important player going 4 weeks before the season starts in a professional sport. Missing the entire pre season sets you back a long way, particularly in a pro game
- There's a bit of a buzz back around Tyrone now with McShane returning and the speculation re McKenna. I'm sure Mickey Harte will be doing everything he possibly can to keep him here and I think he'll use that buzz to try and tap into McKenna's head.
- His contract with Essedon is not an issue, it's only an issue if he breaks it and goes to play with another AFL side. Plenty of Irish lads break their contract and return home when they get homesick or realise the game is not for them
- The big issue is McKenna clearly is not enjoying it over there, despite the money, weather, pro lifestlye

I'm very hopeful he could be home for good. He has options here, he'll be well looked after with a job or UUJ will be rolling out the red carpet for him if he decides to stay. Again, it's just speculation but it's my read on matters.

The AFL preseason is notoriously long, he started pre season, pre Xmas. He was home at Xmas too. These guys are different level - they are obsessed with body fat levels/skinfolds/blood analysis...A week off would do him limited harm, I'm sure the Aussies get a bit of a break anyway, they just aren't flying 24 hours away. McKenna will do most damage when he's home steamed in the Moy.

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« Reply #11679 on: February 14, 2020, 09:44:17 AM »
It's a story that will rumble on until we get an definitive answer, similar to McShane.

None of us really know and speculation will be rife.

I'm looking at it objectively.

- He clearly misses home, I think he misses gaelic football and misses playing for Tyrone.
- He's had 5 years out in Australia, he'd be reasonably well set up financially. He has probably enough money in the bank now to go back to Eglish and buy or build a house for himself and he's only 23. His profile in gaelic football will see him well looked after.
- I think the timing of it is striking, you don't want an important player going 4 weeks before the season starts in a professional sport. Missing the entire pre season sets you back a long way, particularly in a pro game
- There's a bit of a buzz back around Tyrone now with McShane returning and the speculation re McKenna. I'm sure Mickey Harte will be doing everything he possibly can to keep him here and I think he'll use that buzz to try and tap into McKenna's head.
- His contract with Essedon is not an issue, it's only an issue if he breaks it and goes to play with another AFL side. Plenty of Irish lads break their contract and return home when they get homesick or realise the game is not for them
- The big issue is McKenna clearly is not enjoying it over there, despite the money, weather, pro lifestlye

I'm very hopeful he could be home for good. He has options here, he'll be well looked after with a job or UUJ will be rolling out the red carpet for him if he decides to stay. Again, it's just speculation but it's my read on matters.

The AFL preseason is notoriously long, he started pre season, pre Xmas. He was home at Xmas too. These guys are different level - they are obsessed with body fat levels/skinfolds/blood analysis...A week off would do him limited harm, I'm sure the Aussies get a bit of a break anyway, they just aren't flying 24 hours away. McKenna will do most damage when he's home steamed in the Moy.

That's even more pressing so, that he will hardly have had any pre-season in a very long pre-season.

He's had 5 years of homesickness and he doesn't seem any more content. We've all had friends or family like this, it doesn't go away and unlike a lot of people who have to emigrate due to employment or social issues - McKenna can come back at any time with a good bit of money in the bank and people climbing over themselves to set him up with a good career.

I think there is a very good chance he'll stay/

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« Reply #11680 on: February 14, 2020, 10:05:03 AM »
Quare silly **** to walk away from 100 grand for playing football. He stays if you ask me, at least until the contract is up

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« Reply #11681 on: February 14, 2020, 10:32:10 AM »
Average AFL salary is nearly 200k STG - so would it be safe to say McKenna is on at least 150k and then with sponsorship and other bits of endorsements etc. he could be up to 200k - assuming after tax 140k in bank per year. another 5 or 6 years of that would be tempting for anyone - with it only likely to increase if avoided injuries.

Hes been away from a young age which is probably the hardest bit I'd say but if he has a year at home he could realise what hes missing in be back in the AFL in the near future.

Also are we sure he'll like the setup with Tyrone if he returns lets not forget he had two brothers who had a pretty messy breakup with Mickey who went to the papers about the incident - surely he'll be well warned about trusting Mickey within his own household. If Mickey is courting McKenna - he would need to realise Mickey will do whats best for Mickey and not whats best for Conor.

Would be class to see him star for Tyrone but he really needs to think about it as I would never like to see a lad give up on the opportunity to set himself up for life particularly when Tyrone don't seem to be making alot of in roads on another All Ireland at least in the current set up.
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« Reply #11682 on: February 14, 2020, 10:38:40 AM »
Average AFL salary is nearly 200k STG - so would it be safe to say McKenna is on at least 150k and then with sponsorship and other bits of endorsements etc. he could be up to 200k - assuming after tax 140k in bank per year. another 5 or 6 years of that would be tempting for anyone - with it only likely to increase if avoided injuries.

Hes been away from a young age which is probably the hardest bit I'd say but if he has a year at home he could realise what hes missing in be back in the AFL in the near future.

Also are we sure he'll like the setup with Tyrone if he returns lets not forget he had two brothers who had a pretty messy breakup with Mickey who went to the papers about the incident - surely he'll be well warned about trusting Mickey within his own household. If Mickey is courting McKenna - he would need to realise Mickey will do whats best for Mickey and not whats best for Conor.

Would be class to see him star for Tyrone but he really needs to think about it as I would never like to see a lad give up on the opportunity to set himself up for life particularly when Tyrone don't seem to be making alot of in roads on another All Ireland at least in the current set up.

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« Reply #11683 on: February 14, 2020, 10:41:56 AM »
Average AFL salary is nearly 200k STG - so would it be safe to say McKenna is on at least 150k and then with sponsorship and other bits of endorsements etc. he could be up to 200k - assuming after tax 140k in bank per year. another 5 or 6 years of that would be tempting for anyone - with it only likely to increase if avoided injuries.

Hes been away from a young age which is probably the hardest bit I'd say but if he has a year at home he could realise what hes missing in be back in the AFL in the near future.

Also are we sure he'll like the setup with Tyrone if he returns lets not forget he had two brothers who had a pretty messy breakup with Mickey who went to the papers about the incident - surely he'll be well warned about trusting Mickey within his own household. If Mickey is courting McKenna - he would need to realise Mickey will do whats best for Mickey and not whats best for Conor.

Would be class to see him star for Tyrone but he really needs to think about it as I would never like to see a lad give up on the opportunity to set himself up for life particularly when Tyrone don't seem to be making alot of in roads on another All Ireland at least in the current set up.

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Neither of his brothers were good enough which was the reason they didn't make it. A lot of players like R McKenna, P Hughes, C McGinley, Danny McBride etc who would have all been close enough in age and getting reasonable opportunities at the time suddenly found themselves on the fringes when the U21 side of 2015 began to break through. Some players left on good terms, others didn't but the bottom line remains that both of McKenna's brothers probably weren't good enough for the level we were aspiring to.

Also was it not Shay McGuigan who went to the papers? Can't recall either of the McKennas speaking out at the time.
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« Reply #11684 on: February 14, 2020, 10:46:03 AM »
Quare silly **** to walk away from 100 grand for playing football. He stays if you ask me, at least until the contract is up

It's probably more than that so very hard to walk away from. But if he really isn't happy out there then it's hard to know what to do. If someone offered you big money to work away from your family/friends etc for next 7 years and told you that you wouldn't be happy would you do it anyway? To me money is important but certainly not everything.

It's not as if he's been out a few months and isn't enjoying it. He might be better taking a year out coming home and getting it out of his system. Would still likely be welcomed back next year if he has a change of heart. Clarke went home then back and McKenna is at an age where its bound to be an option. If he wants to stay at home hopefully he is looked after in terms of education/job.