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Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« Reply #8700 on: September 12, 2018, 11:13:03 PM »
Ah right, so the way we deal with things in this county is, before any shred of evidence that the incident actually occurred, we start a whispering campaign on an online forum where, a fairly dubious, (to say the least) anonymous poster private messages everyone the name of a person so we can all sit in judgement. F**king wise up Fionntamhach, I thought you had more sense. IF this ever comes to light and he is proven guilty then we can take action, but until then I’ll leave my pitchfork in the shed and won’t be joining the vigilante group led by Southtyronegael.
Get a grip of yourself FFS! My point has nothing whatsoever to do with whatever whispers STG is spreading around, and I have no interest in knowing myself. It is the attitude that if the Wylie brothers were being subject to sectarian abuse in the All-Ireland semi-final that nothing needs to be done because they're "big boys". Whatever age level, be it under 8 or masters, it should not be acceptable especially considering the anti-bullying and mental health policies that all levels of the GAA have been engaging with in the last few years. Just to add, Eoghain Ruadh mentioned that at the All-Ireland Féile na nGael earlier this year that they were subject to sectarian abuse themselves. Like the rumoured Wylie bros story, that of Eoghain Ruadh and that involving the Tyrone & Donegal minor championship game a few years back, they are difficult to impossible to conclusively prove, but wherever it really did happen or was embellished, it shouldn't be happening in any place.
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Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« Reply #8701 on: September 13, 2018, 05:31:05 AM »
anyone think a few tyrone players lucky to get all star nominations? [mattie Donnelly, tiarnan mc cann, peter harte] and a few very unlucky [ mc aliskey, mc shane]?
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« Reply #8702 on: September 13, 2018, 07:32:15 AM »
It really is a new breed of weasel who tries to garner internet friends by sending around defamatory private messages about players from the county he supposedly supports. WTF is wrong with people? At the minute these rumours are nothing only just that. The Wylies are big boys and can dish it out and take it. If something really bad was said I'm sure the Wylies themselves are big enough to deal with it in any way they see fit and I'm pretty sure they'd want no part in a pathetic whispering campaign by a bunch of internet crusaders. It's made all the more depressing when it's Tyrone lads doing the whispering against one of their own.
If the Wylie's were dark skinned and were being subjected to racist abuse instead, would it be ok to simply brush it off as "big boys (that) can dish it out and take it"? I'd doubt it.

Sledging happens in lots of games, and it will never go away. However there are some lines that should not be crossed and I'd include in that sectarianism, racism and exploiting personal tragedies (for example the recent death of a close family member or friend). Anyone engaging in shite like that is a sc**bag and deserves to be called out on it.

I get what you are saying.  Though, some people are easily offended it seems.  Never been a big one for slobbering on the pitch (do enough off it though) but had lots said to me and had the standard OB etc stuff when playing Cavan and Monaghan clubs before but maybe its just me but it was hardly something that was ever going to rile me.  Sticks and stones and all that.

I'm not so sure. Deaths are definitely a no-go. Anything else but is fair game.
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« Reply #8703 on: September 13, 2018, 04:28:43 PM »
Just reading Sean Cavanagh s account of onfield 'sledging' towards him. Truly disgusting especially that Cavan tr**p in 05. I've no doubt in my mind it was Cavan manager of the time Martin McElkennon put him up to it. Just goes to show the standard of coach he is. Remember him taking a session with our club and thinking this will be good to learn a new way of playing. Instead it was 'lads to have a good chance of winning go up to the referee before the game and ask how was him and his family keeping?' I tell ye Jim Gavin has it too easy.

Here thebigdogSouthtyronegael goes again. Blackening Martin McElkennon’s name without absolutely any proof whatsoever only ‘I’ve no doubt in my mind” bollocks. A total mouth!!!



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« Reply #8704 on: September 13, 2018, 04:36:17 PM »
Harte Out, Canavan In per Sean Cavanagh. Admits to dark arts being coached.


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Sean Cavanagh has pinpointed the 2009 All-Ireland semi-final defeat to Cork as the moment his relationship with Mickey Harte soured, after his former manager accused him of buckling under the pressure to perform when the attacker opted out of the starting line-up.
Cavanagh says he barely slept the night before the showdown with the Rebels as he fell victim to a bug.
On the morning of the game he told Harte he did not feel up to starting, and ultimately only came on in the last 20 minutes when the match was beyond Tyrone.
Recalling Cavanagh's unwillingness to start, Harte later wrote in his biography: "This moment seemed the culmination of a year's worth of pressure and expectation leaning on him. In the end the roof simply caved in."
The player was not impressed.
 
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"I had a slightly unique relationship with Mickey," he told RTÉ Radio 1's Today with Sean O'Rourke programme.
"At the start it was brilliant. I was part of that team in the early noughties that were used to winning and he was at the helm. The relationship took a little bit of a turn in 2009, in the Cork semi-final, when he thought I had bottled it. The term he used was, 'the roof caved in on me'.
"My mum was sick all that week and [his brother] Colm was sick all that week. I was fearful I was going to catch it. I was fine up until the Saturday afternoon.
"Saturday night I never slept a wink. I sweated all night. I was probably too honest. I told Mickey Sunday morning I wasn't feeling 100% and I thought there were better players on the bench who could make a bigger impact. It probably came back to haunt me doing that."
 
Cavanagh also aired his discomfort with the siege mentality Harte consistently tried to foster in the camp. As the years went on, it became something the Moy man was less and less comfortable with.
"There always seemed to be a need to almost hate other teams, which probably isn't right in sport," added Cavanagh.
"I would have gotten to know an awful lot of the players from Kerry, Dublin, and other major counties through International Rules and playing with Railway Cup teams and whatnot. It started to wear thin towards a little the end of my career; I started to see the bigger picture.
"He's got a great way of bonding a team. Is it bonded sometimes by the best reasons? I don't think so."
In a dog-eat-dog environment, Cavanagh says he succumbed to 'sledging' opponents, something he deeply regrets. His infamous tackle on Conor McManus in 2013 is, however, an act he'd do again.
"As my career went on, the less I won. I was brought into the great team of the noughties. We thought we were unstoppable. All-Irelands were coming every other year and things were good.
"But as I became more desperate I did things on the field I'm not proud of.
"I ended up doing things that weren't me. An awful lot of it would have been silly... trying to shout that someone was going to kick a wide or jest at someone after they missed a shot.
"There's no need for that in sport. In my first love, basketball, if you did that you'd be kicked out of the game.
"There's probably a few rules the GAA could improve [on sledging]. Hopefully that will happen.
"Our guys, at times we did cross the line. We had a few enforcers, for want of a better word, in the team. I'd admit that towards the tail end of my career as I chased success and I became that little bit more desperate I did at times cross the line.
"The Conor McManus one, I think I'd do that again. He actually said that he'd have done something similar."
 
Cavanagh expects Harte to extend his long reign at the helm another few years but admitted he'd love to see a Red Hand great eventually take over.
"I would like at some stage to see Peter Canavan involved in Tyrone county management because everyone adores the ground Peter walks on.
"There's a serious group of players there. Mickey's probably been there that long now that maybe people don't want to challenge him because he has brought so much success to the county.
"Mickey has another two years left. I suspect he'll see it through."

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« Reply #8705 on: September 13, 2018, 05:54:50 PM »
Harte Out, Canavan In per Sean Cavanagh. Admits to dark arts being coached.


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Sean Cavanagh has pinpointed the 2009 All-Ireland semi-final defeat to Cork as the moment his relationship with Mickey Harte soured, after his former manager accused him of buckling under the pressure to perform when the attacker opted out of the starting line-up.
Cavanagh says he barely slept the night before the showdown with the Rebels as he fell victim to a bug.
On the morning of the game he told Harte he did not feel up to starting, and ultimately only came on in the last 20 minutes when the match was beyond Tyrone.
Recalling Cavanagh's unwillingness to start, Harte later wrote in his biography: "This moment seemed the culmination of a year's worth of pressure and expectation leaning on him. In the end the roof simply caved in."
The player was not impressed.
 
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"I had a slightly unique relationship with Mickey," he told RTÉ Radio 1's Today with Sean O'Rourke programme.
"At the start it was brilliant. I was part of that team in the early noughties that were used to winning and he was at the helm. The relationship took a little bit of a turn in 2009, in the Cork semi-final, when he thought I had bottled it. The term he used was, 'the roof caved in on me'.
"My mum was sick all that week and [his brother] Colm was sick all that week. I was fearful I was going to catch it. I was fine up until the Saturday afternoon.
"Saturday night I never slept a wink. I sweated all night. I was probably too honest. I told Mickey Sunday morning I wasn't feeling 100% and I thought there were better players on the bench who could make a bigger impact. It probably came back to haunt me doing that."
 
Cavanagh also aired his discomfort with the siege mentality Harte consistently tried to foster in the camp. As the years went on, it became something the Moy man was less and less comfortable with.
"There always seemed to be a need to almost hate other teams, which probably isn't right in sport," added Cavanagh.
"I would have gotten to know an awful lot of the players from Kerry, Dublin, and other major counties through International Rules and playing with Railway Cup teams and whatnot. It started to wear thin towards a little the end of my career; I started to see the bigger picture.
"He's got a great way of bonding a team. Is it bonded sometimes by the best reasons? I don't think so."
In a dog-eat-dog environment, Cavanagh says he succumbed to 'sledging' opponents, something he deeply regrets. His infamous tackle on Conor McManus in 2013 is, however, an act he'd do again.
"As my career went on, the less I won. I was brought into the great team of the noughties. We thought we were unstoppable. All-Irelands were coming every other year and things were good.
"But as I became more desperate I did things on the field I'm not proud of.
"I ended up doing things that weren't me. An awful lot of it would have been silly... trying to shout that someone was going to kick a wide or jest at someone after they missed a shot.
"There's no need for that in sport. In my first love, basketball, if you did that you'd be kicked out of the game.
"There's probably a few rules the GAA could improve [on sledging]. Hopefully that will happen.
"Our guys, at times we did cross the line. We had a few enforcers, for want of a better word, in the team. I'd admit that towards the tail end of my career as I chased success and I became that little bit more desperate I did at times cross the line.
"The Conor McManus one, I think I'd do that again. He actually said that he'd have done something similar."
 
Cavanagh expects Harte to extend his long reign at the helm another few years but admitted he'd love to see a Red Hand great eventually take over.
"I would like at some stage to see Peter Canavan involved in Tyrone county management because everyone adores the ground Peter walks on.
"There's a serious group of players there. Mickey's probably been there that long now that maybe people don't want to challenge him because he has brought so much success to the county.
"Mickey has another two years left. I suspect he'll see it through."

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« Reply #8706 on: September 13, 2018, 09:53:08 PM »
No Mickey Harte fan but Sean Cavanagh is out of order in my opinion.....Some of the stuff he is telling should stay between him the management and the players he played with ....

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« Reply #8707 on: September 14, 2018, 10:32:20 AM »
No Mickey Harte fan but Sean Cavanagh is out of order in my opinion.....Some of the stuff he is telling should stay between him the management and the players he played with ....

Cavanagh is a bollox. He's painting himself out to be houlier than thou but I'm afraid it's not washing. As someone on the main thread stated, Tyrone people have seen the real Cavanagh in club games over the year, constant diving, moaning and complaining.

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« Reply #8708 on: September 14, 2018, 10:38:27 AM »
As I said in the thread Cavanagh in my opinion was Tyrone’s second best ever player behind peter  the great but he is letting himself down a bagful coming out with all this crap about Mickey Harte. Sean was not a saint on the pitch either. How is the book going down in Tyrone lads?

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« Reply #8709 on: September 14, 2018, 11:36:30 AM »
Cavanagh obviously felt MH hung out to dry when writing his book over the 2009 Cork game.  That could be argued Mickey used this to promote his book by questioning his best player in his prime years. Cavanagh is right to give his version, he didn't shout back at the time and go to the papers about how MH stitched him up.  Sean put his head down and played football.

I wouldn't agree with all of whats in the book from the newspaper quotes I've read so far but I wouldn't be critical for him telling his side.

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« Reply #8710 on: September 14, 2018, 12:52:54 PM »
Don’t see what people can complain about.  He has released a book and giving his version/opinion of events.  I wouldn’t have looked at before, but so far it seems to give more of an insight behind the scenes than most other sports books probably would. 
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« Reply #8711 on: September 15, 2018, 10:13:39 AM »
Sean Cavanagh is a frustrated figure and why wouldn't he be? Since 2010 Harte has Tyrone playing this short kick out, blanket defence, slow build up rubbish and it has definitely affected Sean s game. Sean Cavanagh will go down as a Tyrone great up there with the best. Harte and his pet pig Gavin Devlin most certainly won't.

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« Reply #8712 on: September 15, 2018, 10:21:46 AM »
Sean Cavanagh is a frustrated figure and why wouldn't he be? Since 2010 Harte has Tyrone playing this short kick out, blanket defence, slow build up rubbish and it has definitely affected Sean s game. Sean Cavanagh will go down as a Tyrone great up there with the best. Harte and his pet pig Gavin Devlin most certainly won't.

A man that has overseen a counties only 3 all Ireland wins will not go down as a Tyrone great. Catch yourself on!

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« Reply #8713 on: September 15, 2018, 03:39:45 PM »
Sean Cavanagh is a frustrated figure and why wouldn't he be? Since 2010 Harte has Tyrone playing this short kick out, blanket defence, slow build up rubbish and it has definitely affected Sean s game. Sean Cavanagh will go down as a Tyrone great up there with the best. Harte and his pet pig Gavin Devlin most certainly won't.

A man that has overseen a counties only 3 all Ireland wins will not go down as a Tyrone great. Catch yourself on!

He will be remembered as a good manager who got lucky with a group of great players. His record since the great players retired has been poor.

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« Reply #8714 on: September 15, 2018, 03:46:48 PM »
I don’t even think you believe that Lenny.  ;D
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