Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[BennyHarp]

Ask yourself a question, what has Matty contributed this season since the league started, in my view zero, so how is he still an automatic, a game on the bench would give him an inch in his step the next time he started

If nothing else he occupied Derry's best player yesterday. Derry wouldn't have won that game in a million years but by tying up the only guy who has the ability to drive them forward, they seriously weakened the very few options that they had available. Matty has become a big enough player to command that sort of respect from the opposition. My fear is that if a Lee Keegan starts his games with him, Matty is likely to get himself sent off!

[Hotrocks]

Ask yourself a question, what has Matty contributed this season since the league started, in my view zero, so how is he still an automatic, a game on the bench would give him an inch in his step the next time he started

Couldn't agree more. For me he slows the game down aswell.

[skeog]

Never a red a little slap to  the gob

[Keyboard Warrior]

Ask yourself a question, what has Matty contributed this season since the league started, in my view zero, so how is he still an automatic, a game on the bench would give him an inch in his step the next time he started

If nothing else he occupied Derry's best player yesterday. Derry wouldn't have won that game in a million years but by tying up the only guy who has the ability to drive them forward, they seriously weakened the very few options that they had available. Matty has become a big enough player to command that sort of respect from the opposition. My fear is that if a Lee Keegan starts his games with him, Matty is likely to get himself sent off!

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[Il Bomber Destro]

What would we like to see against Donegal, chaps.

I would go with something along the following:

1. Morgan
2. McCrory
3. McNamee
4. McCarron
5. McCann
6. Justy
7. Brennan
8. C Cavanagh
9. McClure
10. Donnelly
11. Sludden
12. Harte
13. McCurry
14. Cavanagh
15. Bradley

Bit harsh on Conall McCann as he did quite well there yesterday but I think we need someone with a bit more aggression round there and though McClure did really well when introduced, made a great catch in the middle of the park and scored a nice point too. Think he'll throw his weight around a bit more than McCann and is a very good fielder.

I'd start McCurry after that brief cameo, he looked very confident and sharp. Thought McCrory had a very good game whereas Hampsey seemed a little loose so I would give McCrory the corner back slot. Justy and McCarron will likely share the Murphy man markin duties between them, Justy following him out the field and McCarron picking him up inside.  Rory Brennan will certainly man mark Ryan McHugh.

Donnelly of course could be suspended for this one now.

[Club boi]

Mc Curry too hot an cold for my liking. Hit a great score yes but 65minutes on the clock an the game well and truly over. Shown before to miss them opportunities when its needed in a drawn game or a point down with 2 minutes to play

[skeog]

Conal Mc Cann certain starter next day.

[Scoring Zone]

What would we like to see against Donegal, chaps.

I would go with something along the following:

1. Morgan
2. McCrory
3. McNamee
4. McCarron
5. McCann
6. Justy
7. Brennan
8. C Cavanagh
9. McClure
10. Donnelly
11. Sludden
12. Harte
13. McCurry
14. Cavanagh
15. Bradley

Bit harsh on Conall McCann as he did quite well there yesterday but I think we need someone with a bit more aggression round there and though McClure did really well when introduced, made a great catch in the middle of the park and scored a nice point too. Think he'll throw his weight around a bit more than McCann and is a very good fielder.

I'd start McCurry after that brief cameo, he looked very confident and sharp. Thought McCrory had a very good game whereas Hampsey seemed a little loose so I would give McCrory the corner back slot. Justy and McCarron will likely share the Murphy man markin duties between them, Justy following him out the field and McCarron picking him up inside.  Rory Brennan will certainly man mark Ryan McHugh.

Donnelly of course could be suspended for this one now.

Agree with a lot of this, think the mccann start was a wee sweetner after threatening to leave a while ago, can't see him starting over McClure who has the size, athleticism and power over him and is more of what tyrone need against the top teams, and all Donnelly had to do was jog about for half an hour to get the game out of the road, instead he is showing the country/clubs that he will react, this incident and the O'Shea slap in the league both of which had no bearing in the respective games is a waste of time and will (hopefully not) count against him long term

[tothetop03]

Am i right in saying Tyrone minors have won one minor championship game in 4 years?

[Il Bomber Destro]

Mc Curry too hot an cold for my liking. Hit a great score yes but 65minutes on the clock an the game well and truly over. Shown before to miss them opportunities when its needed in a drawn game or a point down with 2 minutes to play

McCurry is an enigma, I do think he has the ingredients to be top drawer - however relevant or irrelevant it is, he will probably surpass Canavan in the years as Tyrone's all time leading scorer but he's infuriatingly inconsistent. He's 24 now so needs to start delivering the goods on a consistent basis. He's a player who you can tell how it's going to go for him in the first 15 minutes.

To beat Donegal we need a big peformance out of  McCurry, Bradley or Brennan. Bradley started off well yesterday but became peripheral as the game went on and was hooked fairly shortly after a really poor wide off his right. Brennan did well after coming on but I think he's probably the weakest of the three when it comes to winning his own ball, not sure how he'd far against the likes of McGee or McGrath. McCurry was very sharp and confident after coming on so will hopefully start.

[delgany]

Sean Cavanagh is done' - Joe Brolly highlights the problems with Mickey Harte's Tyrone

Tyrone may have trotted to victory with familiar ease in Celtic Park yesterday, but Joe Brolly has dismissed them as "no great shakes".

Not only that but he is adamant that their most celebrated player of the last decade is finished. At 34, Sean Cavanagh is entering the twilight of his career. There was wide speculation he would call it quits after being shackled by Lee Keegan in last year's quarter-final.

Speaking on Independent.ie's The Throw-In podcast, Brolly said Cavanagh is far from the player who used to decorate the championship.

"Sean Cavanagh's done. For all the talk about his leadership, I mean he kicked frees. He wasn't an influence beyond that. I think he's done. We saw that in Croke Park last year when Lee Keegan took him to the cleaners. He was a great player but he's in his last year now and can't possibly perform the way he used to perform."

[Gonzalo15]

Mc Curry too hot an cold for my liking. Hit a great score yes but 65minutes on the clock an the game well and truly over. Shown before to miss them opportunities when its needed in a drawn game or a point down with 2 minutes to play

McCurry is an enigma, I do think he has the ingredients to be top drawer - however relevant or irrelevant it is, he will probably surpass Canavan in the years as Tyrone's all time leading scorer but he's infuriatingly inconsistent. He's 24 now so needs to start delivering the goods on a consistent basis. He's a player who you can tell how it's going to go for him in the first 15 minutes.

To beat Donegal we need a big peformance out of  McCurry, Bradley or Brennan. Bradley started off well yesterday but became peripheral as the game went on and was hooked fairly shortly after a really poor wide off his right. Brennan did well after coming on but I think he's probably the weakest of the three when it comes to winning his own ball, not sure how he'd far against the likes of McGee or McGrath. McCurry was very sharp and confident after coming on so will hopefully start.

When the chips are down McCurry doesn't have the cahonies for it. Will kick them all day in a hammering when the game is already over.

[BennyHarp]

I think his role this year will be as an impact sub. Dubs use players in this way to great effect and with a bit more space  and slightly less pressure from not starting then I think McCurry could be very dangerous.

[redhandefender]

McCurry is great when you are 10 points up! Same mistake over and over again, he won't produce when it matters

[Fuzzman]

Whilst it's frustrating when your forwards are missing chances, in today's game I think it's vital that at least they are taking shots and not hiding. Fortune favours the brave and at least players like McCurry and Bradley will take the shot on. Too many others will turn back and recycle the ball back out to the 40 again. Very frustrating to watch.
Compare how you feel when Sean takes a shot on and it goes wide but when McCurry misses from the same angle most of us get annoyed with him. Most forwards play better when they feel confident and under no pressure. If you know your fans will be on your back when you miss then there is more pressure on you NOT to miss. A lot of us have a similar attitude with McCrory that you're almost waiting for him to make a mistake.
Playing in that FF line now is one hell of a hard task and you can see both Sean and Mattie aren't too happy playing in there so we as supporters must not make it any harder. We gotta encourage them for taking having the cahonies to take the shot on. It's just to easy to sit in the stand and say McCurry can only do it when no pressure on. It's not like we have loads of other options.

It will be hard for Mickey to pick the starting team the next day but I think we've seen from him now that he nearly always uses all 6 subs as people get tired. We have lots of options who can come in and play that middle 8 which is where most of the hard work is done.
It will be hard to leave out McCann I feel as he nearly always gets a few scores and we need as many players as possible to take scores.

As BennyH said, I think Mickey could be copying the Dubs tactics of holding back the nippy, faster forwards until the final 15 minutes to get a burst of scores near the end. Smaller players often struggle in today's tough mass defences as they are outmuscled and can't get space to use their pace or nimble skills. However, if they come in fresh around the 50-60 minute mark to a defence who have been working hard for 50-60 mins, they will find their pace is more effective and they can punch holes now and get in behind players. 

I get the feeling that a lot of these substitutions are decided even before the match starts and it's no longer just because a player isn't playing well any more. The game has become very tactical and almost robotic in some ways.

Interesting discussion from Parkinson and Cian Ward here 34 mins in.
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/bash-tyrone-want-no-one-ireland-found-way-dealing-biggest-strength-125230
They were saying Chrissy McKaigue was too pre-occupied doing a job on Mattie.
The Derry lad on chatting said Derry had 5 different free takers.

The Derry lads are having an interesting discussion and Jim McGuinness makes a few interesting points also.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=18.57600

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/jim-mcguinness-mickey-harte-and-brendan-rodgers-share-same-vision-1.3100537