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« Reply #9780 on: June 08, 2019, 11:18:58 PM »
Angelo, harte has never took the rap for anything in his life. That was a disgrace. Why drop Cassidy? Rafferty started for skeet? Mc crory now a regular sub again? Wtf? Just when I thought harte had got his shit together he goes and makes a pile of needless changes and f**ks everything up. I'm fuckin ragin after that.

He made big, big calls in the starting side. They all were badly wrong.

The alarm bells were ringing in the Derry and Antrim games the way a few fist passes down the middle and a few bodies running there could tear us to shreds. You could forgive that as it was Derry and Antrim and I was naive enough to think we'll be much more reserved against Donegal - nope.

We played the same sort of tactics against Derry and Antrim as against Donegal, absolutely wide open we were. For those who were crying for us to play a more expansive game and go man on man with teams with deadly forwards and pace around the middle of the pitch - there was the evidence about the quality of defenders in our panel.

I have to say I've been very disappointed with McKernan of late, he's very much overrated. He's got good pace and power and likes to bomb forward but he got absolutely toasted by Brennan today, he got destroyed in the All Ireland final last year too.

McShane has been a good find at full forward but unless teams play open against you he is not going to be much use. Any ball we put in there today he had a host of bodies around him or it was cut out by the players playing in front of them. The difference today was Donegal had a defensive system and we did not.

I wouldn't get carried away if I was a Donegal fan though as despite how badly set up we were, the fact we had one of our best players wrongly black carded in the first half, the fact that many of our big players completely disappeared, the fact we were completely wiped out on kickouts and the fact we spurned three decent goal chances in the first half, we still only lost by 4.

It's a wake up call for Harte and the people who were looking for us to go toe to toe with the top teams though.
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Strange analysis.

1st half Tyrone played with a sweeper in colm cavanagh, conceded all the kickouts dropped men back and were torn to shreds.

2nd half Tyrone took colm cavanagh off, pushed up on Donegal kickouts and won the second half by a score of 8 points to 5.

But sure you twist it whatever way you want

Strange analysis as Cavanagh played as an orthodox midfielder all first half. We didn't play any sweeper at all. How drunk were you watching that?

I honestly doubted if you knew anything about football but maybe it's just that your eyes don't work too good.
Are you saying cavanagh was marking Hugh mc fadden...
The donegal sweeper  :o
Cavanagh wasnít playing as a sweeper in the first half. He should have been. But he played as a standard MF.

Clear as day.

He was out around the middle of the pitch chasing shadows and he couldn't lay a glove on anyone. When In Hiding sobers up and goes back to watch the game he might see that Cavanagh is generally struggling to get back on the halfway line, 20 yards behind the Donegal man attacking with the ball.

When Cavanagh plays as a sweeper, as soon as Tyrone lose the ball, he turns his back and sprints back into position. Today he was out around the middle of the pitch chasing after lads and he was about 20 yards behind the Donegal play as soon as they attacked forward. We had no sweeper today. It was a complete and utter tactical failure.

It was the type of naive play that a defensive team loves to play against and Donegal lapped it up, they dropped bodies back, they cut off the early supply, Tyrone were clueless on the ball and ran into blind alleys and as soon as the ball was turned over they had oceans of room to attack at pace and the defenders we left back man on man got utterly destroyed.

How anyone can sit there and say we played a sweeper in the first half wouldn't know whether a ball was pumped or stuffed.


Was at the game and Ben mcdonell was the sweeper regularly in the first half

Ben McDonnell was the centre back, like a lot of other players today, he had a stinker.

He was the lad who did hold his position the most alright but he was far too high up the pitch in his starting position and was utterly redundant in how he read the situation.
He held his position the most...
Far too high up the pitch in his starting position...

I'm confused...
Must be the drink

You're very confused alright, you were telling us Colm Cavanagh was playing as a sweeper today.

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« Reply #9781 on: June 08, 2019, 11:28:35 PM »
Is Meyler injured?

He was doing the water today.

I'd find it very strange if he is fit and available that he can't make our 26.

I'd have him a certain starter for Tyrone, he's an absolute workhorse and I don't think Donegal would have had it as easy today if he was available.

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« Reply #9782 on: June 08, 2019, 11:32:34 PM »
Angelo, harte has never took the rap for anything in his life. That was a disgrace. Why drop Cassidy? Rafferty started for skeet? Mc crory now a regular sub again? Wtf? Just when I thought harte had got his shit together he goes and makes a pile of needless changes and f**ks everything up. I'm fuckin ragin after that.

He made big, big calls in the starting side. They all were badly wrong.

The alarm bells were ringing in the Derry and Antrim games the way a few fist passes down the middle and a few bodies running there could tear us to shreds. You could forgive that as it was Derry and Antrim and I was naive enough to think we'll be much more reserved against Donegal - nope.

We played the same sort of tactics against Derry and Antrim as against Donegal, absolutely wide open we were. For those who were crying for us to play a more expansive game and go man on man with teams with deadly forwards and pace around the middle of the pitch - there was the evidence about the quality of defenders in our panel.

I have to say I've been very disappointed with McKernan of late, he's very much overrated. He's got good pace and power and likes to bomb forward but he got absolutely toasted by Brennan today, he got destroyed in the All Ireland final last year too.

McShane has been a good find at full forward but unless teams play open against you he is not going to be much use. Any ball we put in there today he had a host of bodies around him or it was cut out by the players playing in front of them. The difference today was Donegal had a defensive system and we did not.

I wouldn't get carried away if I was a Donegal fan though as despite how badly set up we were, the fact we had one of our best players wrongly black carded in the first half, the fact that many of our big players completely disappeared, the fact we were completely wiped out on kickouts and the fact we spurned three decent goal chances in the first half, we still only lost by 4.

It's a wake up call for Harte and the people who were looking for us to go toe to toe with the top teams though.
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Strange analysis.

1st half Tyrone played with a sweeper in colm cavanagh, conceded all the kickouts dropped men back and were torn to shreds.

2nd half Tyrone took colm cavanagh off, pushed up on Donegal kickouts and won the second half by a score of 8 points to 5.

But sure you twist it whatever way you want

Strange analysis as Cavanagh played as an orthodox midfielder all first half. We didn't play any sweeper at all. How drunk were you watching that?

I honestly doubted if you knew anything about football but maybe it's just that your eyes don't work too good.
Are you saying cavanagh was marking Hugh mc fadden...
The donegal sweeper  :o
Cavanagh wasnít playing as a sweeper in the first half. He should have been. But he played as a standard MF.

Clear as day.

He was out around the middle of the pitch chasing shadows and he couldn't lay a glove on anyone. When In Hiding sobers up and goes back to watch the game he might see that Cavanagh is generally struggling to get back on the halfway line, 20 yards behind the Donegal man attacking with the ball.

When Cavanagh plays as a sweeper, as soon as Tyrone lose the ball, he turns his back and sprints back into position. Today he was out around the middle of the pitch chasing after lads and he was about 20 yards behind the Donegal play as soon as they attacked forward. We had no sweeper today. It was a complete and utter tactical failure.

It was the type of naive play that a defensive team loves to play against and Donegal lapped it up, they dropped bodies back, they cut off the early supply, Tyrone were clueless on the ball and ran into blind alleys and as soon as the ball was turned over they had oceans of room to attack at pace and the defenders we left back man on man got utterly destroyed.

How anyone can sit there and say we played a sweeper in the first half wouldn't know whether a ball was pumped or stuffed.


Was at the game and Ben mcdonell was the sweeper regularly in the first half

Ben McDonnell was the centre back, like a lot of other players today, he had a stinker.

He was the lad who did hold his position the most alright but he was far too high up the pitch in his starting position and was utterly redundant in how he read the situation.
He held his position the most...
Far too high up the pitch in his starting position...

I'm confused...
Must be the drink

You're very confused alright, you were telling us Colm Cavanagh was playing as a sweeper today.
Still no answer

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« Reply #9783 on: June 08, 2019, 11:36:44 PM »
Angelo, harte has never took the rap for anything in his life. That was a disgrace. Why drop Cassidy? Rafferty started for skeet? Mc crory now a regular sub again? Wtf? Just when I thought harte had got his shit together he goes and makes a pile of needless changes and f**ks everything up. I'm fuckin ragin after that.

He made big, big calls in the starting side. They all were badly wrong.

The alarm bells were ringing in the Derry and Antrim games the way a few fist passes down the middle and a few bodies running there could tear us to shreds. You could forgive that as it was Derry and Antrim and I was naive enough to think we'll be much more reserved against Donegal - nope.

We played the same sort of tactics against Derry and Antrim as against Donegal, absolutely wide open we were. For those who were crying for us to play a more expansive game and go man on man with teams with deadly forwards and pace around the middle of the pitch - there was the evidence about the quality of defenders in our panel.

I have to say I've been very disappointed with McKernan of late, he's very much overrated. He's got good pace and power and likes to bomb forward but he got absolutely toasted by Brennan today, he got destroyed in the All Ireland final last year too.

McShane has been a good find at full forward but unless teams play open against you he is not going to be much use. Any ball we put in there today he had a host of bodies around him or it was cut out by the players playing in front of them. The difference today was Donegal had a defensive system and we did not.

I wouldn't get carried away if I was a Donegal fan though as despite how badly set up we were, the fact we had one of our best players wrongly black carded in the first half, the fact that many of our big players completely disappeared, the fact we were completely wiped out on kickouts and the fact we spurned three decent goal chances in the first half, we still only lost by 4.

It's a wake up call for Harte and the people who were looking for us to go toe to toe with the top teams though.
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Strange analysis.

1st half Tyrone played with a sweeper in colm cavanagh, conceded all the kickouts dropped men back and were torn to shreds.

2nd half Tyrone took colm cavanagh off, pushed up on Donegal kickouts and won the second half by a score of 8 points to 5.

But sure you twist it whatever way you want

Strange analysis as Cavanagh played as an orthodox midfielder all first half. We didn't play any sweeper at all. How drunk were you watching that?

I honestly doubted if you knew anything about football but maybe it's just that your eyes don't work too good.
Are you saying cavanagh was marking Hugh mc fadden...
The donegal sweeper  :o
Cavanagh wasnít playing as a sweeper in the first half. He should have been. But he played as a standard MF.

Clear as day.

He was out around the middle of the pitch chasing shadows and he couldn't lay a glove on anyone. When In Hiding sobers up and goes back to watch the game he might see that Cavanagh is generally struggling to get back on the halfway line, 20 yards behind the Donegal man attacking with the ball.

When Cavanagh plays as a sweeper, as soon as Tyrone lose the ball, he turns his back and sprints back into position. Today he was out around the middle of the pitch chasing after lads and he was about 20 yards behind the Donegal play as soon as they attacked forward. We had no sweeper today. It was a complete and utter tactical failure.

It was the type of naive play that a defensive team loves to play against and Donegal lapped it up, they dropped bodies back, they cut off the early supply, Tyrone were clueless on the ball and ran into blind alleys and as soon as the ball was turned over they had oceans of room to attack at pace and the defenders we left back man on man got utterly destroyed.

How anyone can sit there and say we played a sweeper in the first half wouldn't know whether a ball was pumped or stuffed.


Was at the game and Ben mcdonell was the sweeper regularly in the first half

Ben McDonnell was the centre back, like a lot of other players today, he had a stinker.

He was the lad who did hold his position the most alright but he was far too high up the pitch in his starting position and was utterly redundant in how he read the situation.
He held his position the most...
Far too high up the pitch in his starting position...

I'm confused...
Must be the drink

You're very confused alright, you were telling us Colm Cavanagh was playing as a sweeper today.
Still no answer

Why does it matter who he is marking?

The problem for Tyrone was that most players just took to running at the man with the ball and ended up chasing shadows.

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« Reply #9784 on: June 08, 2019, 11:48:53 PM »
Still no answer.

He was our spare defender because his immediate opponent Hugh Mc Fadden was playing as a sweeper for Donegal. If he was competing man to man as you insist why did mc fadden win the majority of donegals first half kickouts unopposed.
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« Reply #9785 on: June 09, 2019, 12:06:41 AM »
Still no answer.

He was our spare defender because his immediate opponent Hugh Mc Fadden was playing as a sweeper for Donegal. If he was competing man to man as you insist why did mc fadden win the majority of donegals first half kickouts unopposed.

He wasn't our spare defender. Liam Rafferty was our free defender for most of the first half. Although he didn't seem to know what he was supposed to be doing on the pitch.

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« Reply #9786 on: June 09, 2019, 12:08:16 AM »
Still no answer.

He was our spare defender because his immediate opponent Hugh Mc Fadden was playing as a sweeper for Donegal. If he was competing man to man as you insist why did mc fadden win the majority of donegals first half kickouts unopposed.

If we are competing man to man should Niall Morgan not be marking Shaun Patton? Man on man is generally used to reference leaving your defenders isolated in one of one battles with their attackers. Have Mayo man marked Cian O'Sullivan when they've played Dublin?

Cavanagh played in his midfield position and McFadden dropped back. He did not play as a sweeper as you imagined him to.

Tyrone played a very orthodox line up, Donegal got loads of men behind the ball when they didn't have it.

Donegal were very streetwise, Tyrone were very naive. We don't have the defenders to cope with top forwards man on man.

Cavanagh was playing in midfield, not defence. Did you actually watch the game?

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« Reply #9787 on: June 09, 2019, 12:14:58 AM »
Still no answer.

He was our spare defender because his immediate opponent Hugh Mc Fadden was playing as a sweeper for Donegal. If he was competing man to man as you insist why did mc fadden win the majority of donegals first half kickouts unopposed.

If we are competing man to man should Niall Morgan not be marking Shaun Patton? Man on man is generally used to reference leaving your defenders isolated in one of one battles with their attackers. Have Mayo man marked Cian O'Sullivan when they've played Dublin?

Cavanagh played in his midfield position and McFadden dropped back. He did not play as a sweeper as you imagined him to.

Tyrone played a very orthodox line up, Donegal got loads of men behind the ball when they didn't have it.

Donegal were very streetwise, Tyrone were very naive. We don't have the defenders to cope with top forwards man on man.

Cavanagh was playing in midfield, not defence. Did you actually watch the game?

Hey you win. This is a waste of time.
Man to man means niall Morgan Marks shaun patron.

Enough

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« Reply #9788 on: June 09, 2019, 04:16:10 AM »
once they got regrouped at half time they had they dominated in large parts the second half but the damage was done. both harte and the players have to take heat for that the lack of leadership, confidence and a plan B was shocking. it shows Harte is the most influential player we have as the effect on the team until half time was palpable. But the calls for mccann to pick up brennan and not starting r brennan to pick up mchugh was crazy, particularly brennan not starting on mchugh where he has not give him a kick in previous matchups. mccann should get and deserves a length ban - no place for that bullshit, make an example of him

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« Reply #9789 on: June 09, 2019, 07:41:01 AM »
Colm cavanagh 100 per cent did not play as an out and out sweeper as he did in previous years. I canít believe anyone who watched the game would argue he did. It was a really bad show all round.
We havenít learned how to attack the opposition kick out and it means pushing up is a waste of time.

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« Reply #9790 on: June 09, 2019, 08:54:48 AM »
Maybe we should sit Colm in at number 6 and protect the D. We need more mobility in the middle third and he doesnít appear to have the legs for a conventional midfield role especially if we are pushing up. But, we canít afford to lose his power in the tackle from our team just yet. The gaping hole in the centre of our defence yesterday is one of the biggest issues to come from our games so far and this is the only stop gap solution I can think of bar going full on blanket defence again - which nobody wants.
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« Reply #9791 on: June 09, 2019, 09:53:21 AM »
Cavanagh was not a sweeper yesterday, whoever it was said he occupied the midfield is right.

The ease with which Donegal ran through the "sweeper position" over and over again shows it was a bad move.

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« Reply #9792 on: June 09, 2019, 12:57:48 PM »
How do we get rid of Mickey Harte?


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« Reply #9793 on: June 09, 2019, 02:11:47 PM »
How do we get rid of Mickey Harte?
contracted until the end of next year unfortunately.

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« Reply #9794 on: June 09, 2019, 07:10:17 PM »
That was a complete shambles, dunno were to start re the selection/tactical/performance shortcomings.
Cavanagh certainly wasnít sweeper. He was out around middle 1st half but totally ineffectual. But didnít even seem to be targeted by Morgan for kick-outs. We must have lost every one in 1st half when we went long, same as Derry game. McDonnell from Errigal seemed to be sweeper 1st half, no harm to the lad but he was totally out of his depth. He was way too deep & so Donegal got countless scores from play from inside 45 with no-one pressurising the shot.
Harte selection was bemusing. I thought Cassidy must have been injured but then he appears with the game over so obviously not injured. And where does the lad Rafferty suddenly appear from in the starting lineup?? If you were Rory Brennan youíd be seriously thinking of joining your brother leaving the squad when you see McDonnell & Rafferty starting ahead of you.
As mentioned already there was no left-footed free-taker once Harte went off until McCurry came on about 30mins later. Again, Lee Brennan sitting watching the game on telly whilst McAliskey spent the whole day running up & down the stand sideline.
Overall tactics were baffling & played right into Donegal hands, they had 14 men behind the ball with at least 2 sweepers & just hit Tyrone on the counter all game. Yet Tyrone still let them take short kick-outs until about 5mins left. Yet on Tyrone kick outs Morgan was mostly forced long which we invariably lost. Kennedy does not appear to be county standard.
Another reason Tyrone are so open is because last year Mattie was back there helping out, so youíre robbing Peter to pay Paul now heís further forward. When Donegal had so many back it was a waste to leave Matty in there. Harte seemed to be fixated on idea that Tyrone needed to keep men up, there has to be adaptability in the tactics/system - Bonner must have been laughing at Tyrone after that yesterday