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Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« Reply #10725 on: September 12, 2019, 10:34:40 AM »




A lot of talk in the club thread about potential players for next year, might be more suited here.

The u20s and u17s had some really good forwards this year but it's likely going to be another 3/4 years before they can impact at senior level and are up to the right physical levels. Was very surprised Mark Devlin didn't get named in the u17 team of the year, Donaghy of Carrickmore did but I thought Devlin was by far Tyrone's best player at that level.

Personally I'd wait for players to serve their time at u20 before bringing them into the senior fold, fair enough involving them for the McKenna Cup and maybe in the league until such time as the u20s get together but I think bar a Conor McKenna type talent we are not going to have any player under the age of 20 making a telling impact with us in the Championship.

Kilpatrick should be a shoe in for a call up this year, he would have got one last year only for the serious injury.

Other than that, we need to look at what areas we are lacking and what players we need to cut. From the cut perspective I think the following are on borrowed time:

- C McCann
- D McClure
- A McCrory
- R McHugh
- B Burns
- H Loughran


Possibly a few more I missed off the top of my head. All these lads are mid 20s or over now and haven't really made much of a contribution in the last two seasons, even including injuries.

I think we could do with another option or two in the full back line, Eoghan Murray definitely worth a shot in the McKenna Cup. Not aware of many other standouts there at the minute, I think Quinn on the u20s is too light yet. I'd like to see Rafferty and McLaughlin get a lot of time in the McKenna Cup in the full back line. Michael O'Neill is definitely worth a look in a half back line where we are reasonably well served. McNally is a good club player but that ship has sailed. How is Ruairi Mullan playing for Cookstown these days? Looked like a great talent on the u21 winning side but dropped off when he got the senior callup.

Harkin seems to be rated by Harte and I suspect he'll get a callup but I'm not sure he is much of an improvement on the likes of McCann and McClure. I like Nathan Donnelly of Killyclogher and think he is definitely worth a look, good engine a very similar type of player to Meyler with probably a better scoring return.

I think Paul Donaghy has a bit of size and scoring ability about him and is worth a look at in the McKenna Cup. Ryan Coleman also worth a look as well.

Bradley and McNulty will probably return to the squad next year, I wouldn't really bother with Lee Brennan, I don't think he gets in ahead of Bradley, McCurry or McAliskey.

Ruairi Mullan, great player and could nail down a spot on that tyrone team but he wants to play football regularly and there is no guarantee of regular game time with Tyrone, the team is changed nearly every game. Cookstown would also be in serious bother with starred games if he was to go to tyrone
Conor Shields from Clogher is a player who should be looked at. Was excellent for Clogher in the championship last week. Has previously captained Tyrone U20s. Good defensive option, especially since we havenít much depth in the full back line.

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Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« Reply #10726 on: September 12, 2019, 11:12:08 AM »




A lot of talk in the club thread about potential players for next year, might be more suited here.

The u20s and u17s had some really good forwards this year but it's likely going to be another 3/4 years before they can impact at senior level and are up to the right physical levels. Was very surprised Mark Devlin didn't get named in the u17 team of the year, Donaghy of Carrickmore did but I thought Devlin was by far Tyrone's best player at that level.

Personally I'd wait for players to serve their time at u20 before bringing them into the senior fold, fair enough involving them for the McKenna Cup and maybe in the league until such time as the u20s get together but I think bar a Conor McKenna type talent we are not going to have any player under the age of 20 making a telling impact with us in the Championship.

Kilpatrick should be a shoe in for a call up this year, he would have got one last year only for the serious injury.

Other than that, we need to look at what areas we are lacking and what players we need to cut. From the cut perspective I think the following are on borrowed time:

- C McCann
- D McClure
- A McCrory
- R McHugh
- B Burns

- H Loughran


Possibly a few more I missed off the top of my head. All these lads are mid 20s or over now and haven't really made much of a contribution in the last two seasons, even including injuries.

I think we could do with another option or two in the full back line, Eoghan Murray definitely worth a shot in the McKenna Cup. Not aware of many other standouts there at the minute, I think Quinn on the u20s is too light yet. I'd like to see Rafferty and McLaughlin get a lot of time in the McKenna Cup in the full back line. Michael O'Neill is definitely worth a look in a half back line where we are reasonably well served. McNally is a good club player but that ship has sailed. How is Ruairi Mullan playing for Cookstown these days? Looked like a great talent on the u21 winning side but dropped off when he got the senior callup.

Harkin seems to be rated by Harte and I suspect he'll get a callup but I'm not sure he is much of an improvement on the likes of McCann and McClure. I like Nathan Donnelly of Killyclogher and think he is definitely worth a look, good engine a very similar type of player to Meyler with probably a better scoring return.

I think Paul Donaghy has a bit of size and scoring ability about him and is worth a look at in the McKenna Cup. Ryan Coleman also worth a look as well.

Bradley and McNulty will probably return to the squad next year, I wouldn't really bother with Lee Brennan, I don't think he gets in ahead of Bradley, McCurry or McAliskey.

Harsh on these two lads Angelo. both have been injured 90% of their time with the county and in my opinion if got a decent run at it wouldn't be far of a starting place. Burns is a very good man marker that i would rate better than HP and McHugh is a great scoring forward won the div 2 sharp shotter 2 years in a row before his unlucky run supposedly near back to full fitness. Id also agree with square ball with his opinion on Harry Loughran

This year was McHugh's third on the panel. He missed this full year with a cruciate injury - did he have injuries the previous two years? I can't ever remember him making the 26 for a league or championship game and he hasn't made much of an impression in the McKenna Cup when he played.

Ronan McNabb will be gone also which will open up another spot on the panel. I'd expect 7 or 8 new faces for the McKenna Cup. As others have said, there are quite a few lads knocking about the fringes of our panel that have been there for 2 or 3 years now and haven't properly established themselves. Some will have mitigating circumstances and might well show potential in the in-house games so could get another chance, but others will have to go.

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Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« Reply #10727 on: September 13, 2019, 04:54:24 PM »




A lot of talk in the club thread about potential players for next year, might be more suited here.

The u20s and u17s had some really good forwards this year but it's likely going to be another 3/4 years before they can impact at senior level and are up to the right physical levels. Was very surprised Mark Devlin didn't get named in the u17 team of the year, Donaghy of Carrickmore did but I thought Devlin was by far Tyrone's best player at that level.

Personally I'd wait for players to serve their time at u20 before bringing them into the senior fold, fair enough involving them for the McKenna Cup and maybe in the league until such time as the u20s get together but I think bar a Conor McKenna type talent we are not going to have any player under the age of 20 making a telling impact with us in the Championship.

Kilpatrick should be a shoe in for a call up this year, he would have got one last year only for the serious injury.

Other than that, we need to look at what areas we are lacking and what players we need to cut. From the cut perspective I think the following are on borrowed time:

- C McCann
- D McClure
- A McCrory
- R McHugh
- B Burns

- H Loughran


Possibly a few more I missed off the top of my head. All these lads are mid 20s or over now and haven't really made much of a contribution in the last two seasons, even including injuries.

I think we could do with another option or two in the full back line, Eoghan Murray definitely worth a shot in the McKenna Cup. Not aware of many other standouts there at the minute, I think Quinn on the u20s is too light yet. I'd like to see Rafferty and McLaughlin get a lot of time in the McKenna Cup in the full back line. Michael O'Neill is definitely worth a look in a half back line where we are reasonably well served. McNally is a good club player but that ship has sailed. How is Ruairi Mullan playing for Cookstown these days? Looked like a great talent on the u21 winning side but dropped off when he got the senior callup.

Harkin seems to be rated by Harte and I suspect he'll get a callup but I'm not sure he is much of an improvement on the likes of McCann and McClure. I like Nathan Donnelly of Killyclogher and think he is definitely worth a look, good engine a very similar type of player to Meyler with probably a better scoring return.

I think Paul Donaghy has a bit of size and scoring ability about him and is worth a look at in the McKenna Cup. Ryan Coleman also worth a look as well.

Bradley and McNulty will probably return to the squad next year, I wouldn't really bother with Lee Brennan, I don't think he gets in ahead of Bradley, McCurry or McAliskey.

Harsh on these two lads Angelo. both have been injured 90% of their time with the county and in my opinion if got a decent run at it wouldn't be far of a starting place. Burns is a very good man marker that i would rate better than HP and McHugh is a great scoring forward won the div 2 sharp shotter 2 years in a row before his unlucky run supposedly near back to full fitness. Id also agree with square ball with his opinion on Harry Loughran

This year was McHugh's third on the panel. He missed this full year with a cruciate injury - did he have injuries the previous two years? I can't ever remember him making the 26 for a league or championship game and he hasn't made much of an impression in the McKenna Cup when he played.

Ronan McNabb will be gone also which will open up another spot on the panel. I'd expect 7 or 8 new faces for the McKenna Cup. As others have said, there are quite a few lads knocking about the fringes of our panel that have been there for 2 or 3 years now and haven't properly established themselves. Some will have mitigating circumstances and might well show potential in the in-house games so could get another chance, but others will have to go.

He was also out the previous year with what i think was a groin or pelvis problem



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Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« Reply #10730 on: September 17, 2019, 08:55:09 AM »
https://www.the42.ie/tyone-former-ulster-rugby-sc-coach-jonny-davis-replace-peter-donnelly-4812080-Sep2019/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

They got rid of the wrong part of the management team. Harte should be shown the door, or just stop paying him and he'll probably leave of his own accord.



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« Reply #10732 on: September 17, 2019, 10:02:02 AM »
Cavanan really did sum it up over the weekend on sky didnt he.

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« Reply #10733 on: September 17, 2019, 10:26:54 AM »
Yeah canavan pulled no punches.

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That was never a square ball!!

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« Reply #10735 on: September 17, 2019, 10:57:20 AM »
We need more good football men, not rugby men.

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« Reply #10736 on: September 17, 2019, 11:21:16 AM »
We need more good football men, not rugby men.

incorrect. The sport is evolving and teams need to jump on the wagon or else they'll miss the bus. Obviously to an extent. Doesnt matter what the background sport of an S&C coach is, if hes good at what he does it doesnt matter if he played gaelic or not, its about the physicality, fitness and injury prevention, his job is not to coach the team.

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« Reply #10737 on: September 17, 2019, 11:30:21 AM »
Spot on.

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« Reply #10738 on: September 17, 2019, 11:43:09 AM »
Hence Ulster rugby took Peter Donnelly who is not from a Rugby background. Dublin had Bernard Dunne in their set up a few years ago who was a professional boxer, they also had a basketball coach. Kieran Donaghy was involved with Galway hurlers this year. Oisin McConville worked with Laois hurlers..the list goes on.

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« Reply #10739 on: September 17, 2019, 11:44:18 AM »
We need more good football men, not rugby men.

incorrect. The sport is evolving and teams need to jump on the wagon or else they'll miss the bus. Obviously to an extent. Doesnt matter what the background sport of an S&C coach is, if hes good at what he does it doesnt matter if he played gaelic or not, its about the physicality, fitness and injury prevention, his job is not to coach the team.

No no, PD is not replaceable. He was the mastermind of all Tyrone's wins and had nothing to do with their losses. Or something along those lines.

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