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« Reply #10440 on: August 12, 2019, 11:03:56 AM »
I see in mickeys post match interview he states that Tyrone have improved from last year. Anyone else think that?

I think we have pretty much stayed fairly static, our performance yesterday was probably better than we performed against Monaghan this time last year.

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« Reply #10441 on: August 12, 2019, 11:30:02 AM »
Pretty frustrating defeat yesterday to be honest.  Had the feel of the Mayo QF defeat in 2016 - a game that was certainly there for the taking.  I don't think you can say the game was lost on the line.  Tactics were spot on in the first half and provided the platform to gain a 4 point lead.  You can argue it should have been more but I'll take a 4 point half time lead against Kerry any day. 

The goal was ultimately the huge turning point in the game.  What should have a been a score for us, turns into 3 for them and is a 4 point instant swing.  It's hard to legislate on the line for a terrible giveaway like that occurring.

Definitely don't think Deegan did us any favours.  Kerry got at least two ridiculous frees at the start of the second half to give them a foothold and there seemed to be a couple of strange free out decisions midway through the second half.  He also threw the ball up after the sludden booking incident where tyrone had possession inside the kerry half.  You can say its not about the referee but these points make a massive difference in a game.  Its very small margins, if Tyrone were given the same handy frees and the lead extends to 6 points, its probably done.

Feels though we are just missing that bit of real star star quality to get over the line.  McShane was great yesterday but we can't afford him to miss that free.  We also probably need him to be finishing off that goal chance.

What tactical changes specifically would others have made during the 2nd half that would have got us over the line?

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« Reply #10442 on: August 12, 2019, 11:38:56 AM »
Colm Cavanagh looks to have retired from the county scene, going by his latest tweet there. Great servant to the Tyrone jersey, always gave it his all. Massive gain for Moy in starred games, provided injuries don't reoccur.

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« Reply #10443 on: August 12, 2019, 11:39:57 AM »
See Sean Cavanagh has called for Harte to quit (now it would appear obvious the brother has finished)

No fan of Harte but Cavanagh has really let himself down since finishing his county playing days.

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« Reply #10444 on: August 12, 2019, 12:26:16 PM »
Surely its now time for Mickey to go, it was clear to see from yesterday's poor attendance that Tyrone Gaels are not going to the games because of the style of play and management. Even the loyal Gaels who attended Croke Park yesterday were talking about not returning again until Mickey steps aside.Surely for the sake of Tyrone GAA and the progress of the county teams change needs to happen before its too late.
The first half was even, the second half was even worse

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« Reply #10445 on: August 12, 2019, 12:41:56 PM »
12 months ago the usual suspects on here were saying all we are missing is a top quality forward who can score 5 or 6 points every game and we could beat anyone then. Along comes Cathal Mc Shane who has been superb all year and now we have to come up with a new set of excuses

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« Reply #10446 on: August 12, 2019, 01:37:33 PM »
And now there will be added pressure on young canavan to get Tyrone to the next level. Feel sorry for the lad. I haven't attended a Tyrone game in 2 years and I really miss the match day buzz but I will not be back until harte and his cronies are gone. Incredibly selfish from harte to put himself before his county.

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« Reply #10447 on: August 12, 2019, 01:59:34 PM »
See Sean Cavanagh has called for Harte to quit (now it would appear obvious the brother has finished)

No fan of Harte but Cavanagh has really let himself down since finishing his county playing days.

Doesn't see much wrong with this, he's just saying what everyone else in the County is saying and as a pundit he's just giving his opinion, Mickey has been our greatest ever manager but there comes a time when its time to step down

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« Reply #10448 on: August 12, 2019, 02:06:15 PM »
See Sean Cavanagh has called for Harte to quit (now it would appear obvious the brother has finished)

No fan of Harte but Cavanagh has really let himself down since finishing his county playing days.

How do you mean?  How DARE he give his opinion like.

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« Reply #10449 on: August 12, 2019, 02:09:09 PM »
See Sean Cavanagh has called for Harte to quit (now it would appear obvious the brother has finished)

No fan of Harte but Cavanagh has really let himself down since finishing his county playing days.

How do you mean?  How DARE he give his opinion like.

This is the 4th or 5th snipe at Harte publicly from Sean Cavanagh.

Sean wasn't too brave to give his opinion in public when he was there, under Harte when maybe even he would have been able to influence him from within.

He's entitled to his opinion obviously, but leaves me thinking where were these views during his playing days.

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« Reply #10450 on: August 12, 2019, 02:57:13 PM »
For those calling for a change of management - if new management was put in place for the start of 2020, what would the expectations be over a 5 year period?

Based on the discontent at the efforts and results of our current manager, I would assume this to be:
1) At least 3 Ulster titles;
2) 2 All Ireland Final appearances with a semi final appearance as a bare minimum each year;
3) At least 1 All Ireland title.

Anything less would have to be deemed not good enough based on current standards.

Do those wanting new management genuinely believe that Tyrone will undoubtedly achieve the above with a new manager? Or is it a case of wanting new management to "see what happens"?

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« Reply #10451 on: August 12, 2019, 03:33:39 PM »
See Sean Cavanagh has called for Harte to quit (now it would appear obvious the brother has finished)

No fan of Harte but Cavanagh has really let himself down since finishing his county playing days.

How do you mean?  How DARE he give his opinion like.

This is the 4th or 5th snipe at Harte publicly from Sean Cavanagh.

Sean wasn't too brave to give his opinion in public when he was there, under Harte when maybe even he would have been able to influence him from within.

He's entitled to his opinion obviously, but leaves me thinking where were these views during his playing days.

They probably were his views but I'd imagine he didn't want to say anything otherwise he would risk being dropped / axed / exiled from the team or maybe even the panel. He probably also felt it would be a waste of time to say anything as it maybe wouldn't change the coaching staff's minds and he was therefore just straining the relationship for nothing in the end up.

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« Reply #10452 on: August 12, 2019, 04:20:13 PM »
For those calling for a change of management - if new management was put in place for the start of 2020, what would the expectations be over a 5 year period?

Based on the discontent at the efforts and results of our current manager, I would assume this to be:
1) At least 3 Ulster titles;
2) 2 All Ireland Final appearances with a semi final appearance as a bare minimum each year;
3) At least 1 All Ireland title.

Anything less would have to be deemed not good enough based on current standards.

Do those wanting new management genuinely believe that Tyrone will undoubtedly achieve the above with a new manager? Or is it a case of wanting new management to "see what happens"?

A change of management has to happen at some point so why not now. If we were to change manager I would expect within first 3 years to retain div 1 status and win 1 ulster. Not to unrealistic is it.

I believe a lot of people wouldn't mind getting knocked out for first few years as long as they could see tyrone building on it and getting better each year. That is not the case with her current set up. Same faults year after year and only for easier draws in last 2 years we would have been knocked out earlier.

Donegal and kerry are getting better each year and will be a massive force. You cant say the same for tyrone.

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« Reply #10453 on: August 12, 2019, 04:23:01 PM »
For those calling for a change of management - if new management was put in place for the start of 2020, what would the expectations be over a 5 year period?

Based on the discontent at the efforts and results of our current manager, I would assume this to be:
1) At least 3 Ulster titles;
2) 2 All Ireland Final appearances with a semi final appearance as a bare minimum each year;
3) At least 1 All Ireland title.

Anything less would have to be deemed not good enough based on current standards.

Do those wanting new management genuinely believe that Tyrone will undoubtedly achieve the above with a new manager? Or is it a case of wanting new management to "see what happens"?

A change of management has to happen at some point so why not now. If we were to change manager I would expect within first 3 years to retain div 1 status and win 1 ulster. Not to unrealistic is it.

I believe a lot of people wouldn't mind getting knocked out for first few years as long as they could see tyrone building on it and getting better each year. That is not the case with her current set up. Same faults year after year and only for easier draws in last 2 years we would have been knocked out earlier.

Donegal and kerry are getting better each year and will be a massive force. You cant say the same for tyrone.

Kerry have a conveyor belt of underage talent to call upon, Tyrone have not been too impressive in that regard.

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« Reply #10454 on: August 12, 2019, 04:31:46 PM »
Whatever about the future, Harte has actually left at least one All Ireland and 2 or 3 USF titles behind him. Time to get rid and start a fresh. Sure we mightn't win anything but we're not winning anything at the minute. We've nothing to lose.