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« Reply #10440 on: August 12, 2019, 10:57:53 AM »
I see in mickeys post match interview he states that Tyrone have improved from last year. Anyone else think that?

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« Reply #10441 on: August 12, 2019, 11:00:52 AM »
If Peter harte was being tactically fouled as much as you say then why wasn't he moved into the full forward line where he would have won a few frees and been harder to get away with fouling him.

PH was being tactically fouled all day, some of it in front of Deegan who in my opinion was atrocious yesterday. Surely its a mark of how highly Kerry rate him when they went tot his extreme to take him out of the game. But I do agree, he should have been moved inside to see what damage he could do

If we are being honest it was just the same as what David Moran got - do you not recall two or three instances he was surrounded by a sea of white? They weren't saying hello.

McKernan stripped one of Kerry lads on sideline where I was and was roaring in his face all sorts.....I don't think I'd get away with typing it here.

Nothing to see re: tactical fouling.

Sorry, as a half-neural here I have to disagree with you (and that's coming from someone who hated Tryone's dark arts specialists of the noughties). Yes Tyrone were in their faces but nowhere near the level of Kerry, and a lot of the Kerry tactics should have been carded, i dont think any Tyrone player should have been carded for off the ball stuff. I not saying they didn't do it, just they weren't as cynical or vociferous at it

I see your point, the way I look at it, the game was there for Tyrone - they probably could/should have been home and hosed at HT and then they lost it both on the pitch and sideline. I don't really see the point in crying about dark arts when you were so easily the better team in the first half. I'm more annoyed at the stellar names on the Tyrone team no showing than what Kerry did - Kerry just did what they had to do to get over the line, i.e. Stephen O'Brien black and good luck to them.

I think the problem I really have is that year and year again we are sold a lie by some Tyrone fans - our players are best in Ireland (going through the qualifiers) but in the white heat of Croke Park they just aren't there and this is a repeat edition now unfortunately. I've accepted that Mickey Harte is staying to he's ready to go. Jesus I sound very negative but unless Tyrone unearth a couple of superstars in the next few months it's going to be the exact same next year surely.


I've watched the game back on TV.

I don't think you can fault the Tyrone players for effort but there's definitely a mental weakness there when things aren't going their way, the routine mistakes that were being made when the tide turned are unforgivable at this level and they were punished. I think the quality of some of our players isn't good enough.

Tactically the game had all the parameters that I felt we needed to win, we broke even on the primary possession, our defence shape was solid and compact for most of the game, I don't think you could fault the defence on shirking their duties, I though the likes of McNamee, Hampsey, Brennan, Cassidy and McKernan all played very well. We know Geaney and Clifford are top class, I think they are generally going to hit 5-6 points from play in any game and they hit 7 yesterday, one was a gift from a Morgan pass gone astray so I don't think you can put much blame there. I thought Meyler did a good job on Sean O'Shea and really limited his impact from play.

O'Brien was the one Kerry forward who had a real impact, it looked like McGeary who was picking him up - I don't think he did too bad a job on him all and all but McGeary cost us the goal with a loose pass after a surge up the pitch. It was endemic of the panic and lack of composure in Tyrone when things started to go wrong and it was ruthlessly punished though felt Geaney was extremely lucky not to be pulled up for overcarrying. I think it was Mattie who was tracking him back and let him run through as well.

McShane has been our best player this season but he missed a poor free and hand another poor wide shortly after that, he also should have taken his point when he tried to find Harte for a goal. Peter Harte was anonymous and it was another very disappointing performance from him in a big game, I have sympathy for him as the ref was watching him being pulled, dragged and checked by the same players all game and did nothing about it but Petey just has to learn how to deal with the attention. Sludden was harshly pulled ashore too not long after a poor miss.

There's also a real killer instinct in that team, in the first half we had so many openings where a goal chance could or should have been created and you can guarantee if Dublin are afforded that type of space they will hit that Kerry backline for 4 or 5 goals.

In saying that we would still have won that game only for Deegan pulling Kerry into it when they were second best, they had three nonsense frees handed to them at the start of the second half.

I thought we went out with a whimper in the end, I could not understand how easy Kerry were allowed get their restarts off after we had it back to a 3 point game a number of times in the closing 8/9 minutes. Surely somebody on the team has to be making a conscious decision to get the team to go up man on man in that time period and make it a battle for possession, instead we allowed Kerry to get the ball off and play for a soft free that they were getting all day to kill the time.

I'm not averse to a change of management, Harte has another year on his term so will likely see it out. I just don't feel as if management is the issue here. It was a case of some really poor basic errors being made by the players when the game was going against them and a referee intent on helping the opposition when they were in a very bad place that decided that game.

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« Reply #10442 on: August 12, 2019, 11:03:56 AM »
I see in mickeys post match interview he states that Tyrone have improved from last year. Anyone else think that?

I think we have pretty much stayed fairly static, our performance yesterday was probably better than we performed against Monaghan this time last year.

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« Reply #10443 on: August 12, 2019, 11:30:02 AM »
Pretty frustrating defeat yesterday to be honest.  Had the feel of the Mayo QF defeat in 2016 - a game that was certainly there for the taking.  I don't think you can say the game was lost on the line.  Tactics were spot on in the first half and provided the platform to gain a 4 point lead.  You can argue it should have been more but I'll take a 4 point half time lead against Kerry any day. 

The goal was ultimately the huge turning point in the game.  What should have a been a score for us, turns into 3 for them and is a 4 point instant swing.  It's hard to legislate on the line for a terrible giveaway like that occurring.

Definitely don't think Deegan did us any favours.  Kerry got at least two ridiculous frees at the start of the second half to give them a foothold and there seemed to be a couple of strange free out decisions midway through the second half.  He also threw the ball up after the sludden booking incident where tyrone had possession inside the kerry half.  You can say its not about the referee but these points make a massive difference in a game.  Its very small margins, if Tyrone were given the same handy frees and the lead extends to 6 points, its probably done.

Feels though we are just missing that bit of real star star quality to get over the line.  McShane was great yesterday but we can't afford him to miss that free.  We also probably need him to be finishing off that goal chance.

What tactical changes specifically would others have made during the 2nd half that would have got us over the line?

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« Reply #10444 on: August 12, 2019, 11:38:56 AM »
Colm Cavanagh looks to have retired from the county scene, going by his latest tweet there. Great servant to the Tyrone jersey, always gave it his all. Massive gain for Moy in starred games, provided injuries don't reoccur.

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« Reply #10445 on: August 12, 2019, 11:39:57 AM »
See Sean Cavanagh has called for Harte to quit (now it would appear obvious the brother has finished)

No fan of Harte but Cavanagh has really let himself down since finishing his county playing days.

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« Reply #10446 on: August 12, 2019, 12:26:16 PM »
Surely its now time for Mickey to go, it was clear to see from yesterday's poor attendance that Tyrone Gaels are not going to the games because of the style of play and management. Even the loyal Gaels who attended Croke Park yesterday were talking about not returning again until Mickey steps aside.Surely for the sake of Tyrone GAA and the progress of the county teams change needs to happen before its too late.
The first half was even, the second half was even worse

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« Reply #10447 on: August 12, 2019, 12:41:56 PM »
12 months ago the usual suspects on here were saying all we are missing is a top quality forward who can score 5 or 6 points every game and we could beat anyone then. Along comes Cathal Mc Shane who has been superb all year and now we have to come up with a new set of excuses

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« Reply #10448 on: August 12, 2019, 01:37:33 PM »
And now there will be added pressure on young canavan to get Tyrone to the next level. Feel sorry for the lad. I haven't attended a Tyrone game in 2 years and I really miss the match day buzz but I will not be back until harte and his cronies are gone. Incredibly selfish from harte to put himself before his county.

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« Reply #10449 on: August 12, 2019, 01:59:34 PM »
See Sean Cavanagh has called for Harte to quit (now it would appear obvious the brother has finished)

No fan of Harte but Cavanagh has really let himself down since finishing his county playing days.

Doesn't see much wrong with this, he's just saying what everyone else in the County is saying and as a pundit he's just giving his opinion, Mickey has been our greatest ever manager but there comes a time when its time to step down

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« Reply #10450 on: August 12, 2019, 02:06:15 PM »
See Sean Cavanagh has called for Harte to quit (now it would appear obvious the brother has finished)

No fan of Harte but Cavanagh has really let himself down since finishing his county playing days.

How do you mean?  How DARE he give his opinion like.

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« Reply #10451 on: August 12, 2019, 02:09:09 PM »
See Sean Cavanagh has called for Harte to quit (now it would appear obvious the brother has finished)

No fan of Harte but Cavanagh has really let himself down since finishing his county playing days.

How do you mean?  How DARE he give his opinion like.

This is the 4th or 5th snipe at Harte publicly from Sean Cavanagh.

Sean wasn't too brave to give his opinion in public when he was there, under Harte when maybe even he would have been able to influence him from within.

He's entitled to his opinion obviously, but leaves me thinking where were these views during his playing days.

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« Reply #10452 on: August 12, 2019, 02:57:13 PM »
For those calling for a change of management - if new management was put in place for the start of 2020, what would the expectations be over a 5 year period?

Based on the discontent at the efforts and results of our current manager, I would assume this to be:
1) At least 3 Ulster titles;
2) 2 All Ireland Final appearances with a semi final appearance as a bare minimum each year;
3) At least 1 All Ireland title.

Anything less would have to be deemed not good enough based on current standards.

Do those wanting new management genuinely believe that Tyrone will undoubtedly achieve the above with a new manager? Or is it a case of wanting new management to "see what happens"?

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« Reply #10453 on: August 12, 2019, 03:33:39 PM »
See Sean Cavanagh has called for Harte to quit (now it would appear obvious the brother has finished)

No fan of Harte but Cavanagh has really let himself down since finishing his county playing days.

How do you mean?  How DARE he give his opinion like.

This is the 4th or 5th snipe at Harte publicly from Sean Cavanagh.

Sean wasn't too brave to give his opinion in public when he was there, under Harte when maybe even he would have been able to influence him from within.

He's entitled to his opinion obviously, but leaves me thinking where were these views during his playing days.

They probably were his views but I'd imagine he didn't want to say anything otherwise he would risk being dropped / axed / exiled from the team or maybe even the panel. He probably also felt it would be a waste of time to say anything as it maybe wouldn't change the coaching staff's minds and he was therefore just straining the relationship for nothing in the end up.

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« Reply #10454 on: August 12, 2019, 04:20:13 PM »
For those calling for a change of management - if new management was put in place for the start of 2020, what would the expectations be over a 5 year period?

Based on the discontent at the efforts and results of our current manager, I would assume this to be:
1) At least 3 Ulster titles;
2) 2 All Ireland Final appearances with a semi final appearance as a bare minimum each year;
3) At least 1 All Ireland title.

Anything less would have to be deemed not good enough based on current standards.

Do those wanting new management genuinely believe that Tyrone will undoubtedly achieve the above with a new manager? Or is it a case of wanting new management to "see what happens"?

A change of management has to happen at some point so why not now. If we were to change manager I would expect within first 3 years to retain div 1 status and win 1 ulster. Not to unrealistic is it.

I believe a lot of people wouldn't mind getting knocked out for first few years as long as they could see tyrone building on it and getting better each year. That is not the case with her current set up. Same faults year after year and only for easier draws in last 2 years we would have been knocked out earlier.

Donegal and kerry are getting better each year and will be a massive force. You cant say the same for tyrone.