Chavez RIP

Started by macdanger2, March 06, 2013, 12:19:24 AM

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macdanger2

Just heard that Hugo Chavez is dead - he was far from perfect but was he any worse than a lot of previous south american leaders?? Or was it just that he p*ssed off the Americans that made him news?

Have never been to Venezuela so not sure what they think of him but the locals I talked to in Bolivia seemed to be very supportive of Morales when I was there.

Nally Stand

"The island of saints & scholars...and gombeens & fuckin' arselickers" Christy Moore

Eamonnca1

Another incompetent commie despot bites the dust.

Good bloody riddance.

NetNitrate

 A villain to some, a hero to many. Let's put it this way. He wasn't the type of man who would have taken private debt, owed by the moneyed elite, and passed it onto the public.

ranch

Quote from: NetNitrate on March 06, 2013, 03:19:06 AM
A villain to some, a hero to many. Let's put it this way. He wasn't the type of man who would have taken private debt, owed by the moneyed elite, and passed it onto the public.

Very well put.

give her dixie

Nor did he invade other countries and steal their natural resources.

He won several elections and was adored by the majority of his people.

Free education, massive reduction in poverty, nationalised their oil, massive improvement in healthcare.

The west would have us believe he was a tyrant, but in comparison to those calling him a tyrant, he was a legend.

In South America and further afield, he will be sadly missed.

RIP Hugo.


next stop, September 10, for number 4......

give her dixie

Quote from: NetNitrate on March 06, 2013, 03:19:06 AM
A villain to some, a hero to many. Let's put it this way. He wasn't the type of man who would have taken private debt, owed by the moneyed elite, and passed it onto the public.

Well said indeed. I don't think he would have handed over the countries natural resources for next to nothing and then take away disability allowance among other things from the less well off.
next stop, September 10, for number 4......

Declan

A truly great leader of his people - RIP

cadence

western states could do with being a wee bit more left than we are at the moment.

rip hugo.

johnneycool

Quote from: cadence on March 06, 2013, 07:36:57 AM
western states could do with being a wee bit more left than we are at the moment.

rip hugo.

I don't think its a left or right thing, its a fairness thing, unbridled capitalism is as unfair to the common man as the incompetent commie despot Eamonn refers to.

Chavez was never incompetent, nor a despot, he fought off the dirty tricks from those educated in 'school or the America's in the US who by fair means or foul wanted their way in latin America.

Get yourself a copy of 'Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II' and what the US were up to in Latin America was nothing short of disgraceful and that includes JFK.

RIP Hugo.

Lecale2

RIP Hugo

When I give food to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist.

give her dixie

This article is a good read on how for 8 years he donated oil to the poor in the US through a charity set up by Joe Kennedy.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/342972

For the eighth straight year, Venezuela's state oil company is donating free heating oil to hundreds of thousands of needy Americans.

The CITGO-Venezuela Heating Oil Program has helped more than 1.7 million Americans in 25 states and the District of Columbia keep warm since it was launched back in 2005. The program is a partnership between the Venezuelan state oil company Petróleos de Venezuela, S.A. (PDVSA), its subsidiary CITGO and Citizens Energy Corporation, a nonprofit organization founded by former US Rep. Joseph P. Kennedy II that provides discounted and free home heating services and supplies to needy households in the United States and abroad. It has been supported from the beginning by Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez.

In 2005, a pair of devastating hurricanes, Katrina and Rita, led to dwindling oil supplies and skyrocketing fuel costs. Some of the poorest and most vulnerable Americans, including many elderly people on fixed incomes, found themselves having to choose between heating their homes or providing food, clothing or medicine for themselves and their families. Since that first winter, CITGO has provided 227 million gallons of free heating oil worth an estimated $465 million to an average of 153,000 US households each year. Some 252 Native American communities and 245 homeless shelters have also benefited from the program. This winter, more than 100,000 American families will receive Venezuelan aid. With the US government estimating that households heating primarily with oil will pay $407 (19 percent) more this year than last, the program remains an invaluable helping hand to many needy Americans.

"The CITGO-Venezuela Heating Oil Program has been one of the most important energy assistance efforts in the United States," CITGO CEO Alejandro Granado said at the Night of Peace Family Shelter in Baltimore, Maryland, where he and Citizens Energy Corporation Chairman Kennedy launched the 2013 program. "This year, as families across the Eastern Seaboard struggle to recover from the losses caused by Hurricane Sandy, this donation becomes even more significant."

Last year, President Barack Obama and Congress reduced Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP) funding by 25 percent, cutting off an estimated one million US households from desperately needed assistance just as winter's worst chill, accompanied by record heating oil prices, set in. Fortunately, the CITGO-Venezuela Heating Oil Program was able to assist an estimated 400,000 Americans last year.

"The federal fuel assistance program reaches only one-fifth of all the eligible households in the US," Kennedy said in Baltimore. "Millions of families just go cold at night in their own homes."
US Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD), who was on hand at the Baltimore launch, expressed his gratitude to CITGO.

"The demand is greater and the resources are shorter," Cummings said to widespread "amens" from the packed house. "We must not turn our heads away from the working poor-- remember, we could be in the same position. The help you provide to families is bigger than just the oil. It's about helping children lead stable lives."

The people gathered at the shelter prayed for the recovery of Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez, whose condition is reportedly improving following cancer surgery in Havana, Cuba.

Chávez is often demonized as a dictator by many US politicians and by the US corporate mainstream media. But he remains wildly popular in Venezuela, where he has won four straight presidential elections. He was reelected last October with 54.4 percent of the vote. Although his leadership style is increasingly authoritarian, his Bolivarian Revolution-- characterized by popular democracy, economic independence, equitable distribution of national wealth and reduced corruption-- has improved the lives of millions of Venezuela's poorest citizens and inspired tens of millions of Latin Americans seeking more just societies to vote in leftist governments throughout the region.

US critics claim that Chávez is anti-American. This oversimplifies matters-- while he is an ardent anti-imperialist who raised eyebrows and ire in Washington and on Wall Street by nationalizing the assets of foreign petroleum companies which many Venezuelans asserted were exploiting the country's natural resources, the US remains Venezuela's most important trading partner. And while Chávez is highly critical of US policies and actions around the globe, he is far from alone in his opposition. His distaste for Washington has also no doubt been influenced by the fact that senior officials in the George W. Bush administration were deeply involved in an attempted 2002 coup d'état against his popular regime.

All of this matters little to most of the 1.7 million Americans who have received free fuel from the CITGO-Venezuela Heating Oil Program.

"All I know is he was kind to the people of the United States," program recipient Alice Maniotis, a New York grandmother on a fixed income, said of Chávez. "He rules differently, like Obama rules differently," Maniotis told RT last year. "Who are we to tell these people how to live? Are they invading our country? They're not. They're being generous to give us what comes out of their earth at no charge. So could you really have ill feelings against them?"

Kennedy thanked CITGO, Venezuela and Chávez for "help[ing] more than 400,000 people stay warm and safe this winter," adding that he has approached numerous major oil-producing nations as well as some of the largest US oil companies and asked them if they were interested in helping the poor heat their homes.

"I don't see Exxon responding," he told the crowd in Baltimore. "I don't see other major oil companies heating the homes of the poor."

"They all said no," Kennedy added, "except for CITGO, President Chávez and the people of Venezuela."

next stop, September 10, for number 4......

Rossfan

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 06, 2013, 01:50:51 AM
Another incompetent commie despot bites the dust.

Good bloody riddance.
what a moronic comment.
You need to get out more Eamonn FFS  >:(

RIP Hugo, a good man who put the interests of the majority of his people ahead of Yankee Imperialism and Big Business.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

seafoid

He left the Venezuelan economy in a bit of a mess.
Maybe a bit like Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt. He will be spoken of amongst his people.

Aerlik

Que en paz descanse/Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam, Hugo Rafael Chávez Frías.

Stood up to the terrorists in the Pentagon, like Daniel Ortega.  [Cue the Yank sympathisers]
To find his equal an Irishman is forced to talk to God!