America`s Gun Culture

Started by Wildweasel74, December 14, 2012, 06:00:57 PM

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Milltown Row2

Again you're comparing apples and oranges... we were not sent to death camps and any relevance to that is stupid, 6 million Jews were murdered.

Political pressure from the south was non existent so I understand why various campaigns happened, but I'm not an hindsight pacifist, you either are or not, if you feel strapping someone to the wheel of his van and blowing him up is ok then knock yourself out.

I've witnessed enough bombs shootings riots and listened to families losing loved ones to form my own opinion.

None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

Gabriel_Hurl


Wildweasel74

What's the gun policy on Denmark? Restricted on semi automatic ? Suppose rifles required for hunting, where the guy in the shopping mall pick up the gun?

Captain Obvious

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 04, 2022, 07:46:08 PM
What's the gun policy on Denmark? Restricted on semi automatic ? Suppose rifles required for hunting, where the guy in the shopping mall pick up the gun?

semi-automatic weapons and handguns are allowed with special authorization. A genuine reason to possess a firearm, such as for hunting and you must have passed a background check which looks into criminal and mental health records.

Rudi

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63724716

At the weekend Colorado Springs, now a store manager in Walmart Chespeake Va, mad ba@tards them yanks. Doesn't look like a great place to live, not helped by polarized opinions on social, every day & political issues. Ease at getting your hands on guns not helping either.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: Rudi on November 23, 2022, 09:58:32 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63724716

At the weekend Colorado Springs, now a store manager in Walmart Chespeake Va, mad ba@tards them yanks. Doesn't look like a great place to live, not helped by polarized opinions on social, every day & political issues. Ease at getting your hands on guns not helping either.

How bad was he or his work colleagues to get that? Thoughts and prayers to the families should smooth things over though
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

Blowitupref

Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

seafoid

Guns are a culture war, same as trans.
Before WW2 there was a culture war involving the Klan. It didn't survive WW2.
People were brought together.
So guns will go when neoliberalism does.

whitey

Quote from: seafoid on January 22, 2023, 08:30:50 PM
Guns are a culture war, same as trans.
Before WW2 there was a culture war involving the Klan. It didn't survive WW2.
People were brought together.
So guns will go when neoliberalism does.

Where are they going to go?

Who's going to give up their guns?

thewobbler

Quote from: whitey on January 22, 2023, 11:29:13 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 22, 2023, 08:30:50 PM
Guns are a culture war, same as trans.
Before WW2 there was a culture war involving the Klan. It didn't survive WW2.
People were brought together.
So guns will go when neoliberalism does.

Where are they going to go?

Who's going to give up their guns?

It's not impossible but it'll take an era changing event and then it'll take time.

Even that mental f**king basket of a country has to have a tipping point with regards right and wrong. It might be a machine gun in a sports stadium. Or it might be a machine gun in court room. Or it might be a machine gun in a political chamber. But something that completely changes perceptions on a national level, eventually has to happen. Automatic weapons, drugs, depression and a muddled sense of purpose make it inevitable.

Armagh18

Quote from: thewobbler on January 22, 2023, 11:40:39 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 22, 2023, 11:29:13 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 22, 2023, 08:30:50 PM
Guns are a culture war, same as trans.
Before WW2 there was a culture war involving the Klan. It didn't survive WW2.
People were brought together.
So guns will go when neoliberalism does.

Where are they going to go?

Who's going to give up their guns?

It's not impossible but it'll take an era changing event and then it'll take time.

Even that mental f**king basket of a country has to have a tipping point with regards right and wrong. It might be a machine gun in a sports stadium. Or it might be a machine gun in court room. Or it might be a machine gun in a political chamber. But something that completely changes perceptions on a national level, eventually has to happen. Automatic weapons, drugs, depression and a muddled sense of purpose make it inevitable.
If Sandy Hook and the like didn't do it, i dont know what will.

whitey

Quote from: thewobbler on January 22, 2023, 11:40:39 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 22, 2023, 11:29:13 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 22, 2023, 08:30:50 PM
Guns are a culture war, same as trans.
Before WW2 there was a culture war involving the Klan. It didn't survive WW2.
People were brought together.
So guns will go when neoliberalism does.

Where are they going to go?

Who's going to give up their guns?

It's not impossible but it'll take an era changing event and then it'll take time.

Even that mental f**king basket of a country has to have a tipping point with regards right and wrong. It might be a machine gun in a sports stadium. Or it might be a machine gun in court room. Or it might be a machine gun in a political chamber. But something that completely changes perceptions on a national level, eventually has to happen. Automatic weapons, drugs, depression and a muddled sense of purpose make it inevitable.



Some people, rightly or wrongly, believe that they have a constitutional right to bear arms

Even if you had 50 Sandy Hooks-these people wouldn't give up their guns


seafoid

Quote from: Armagh18 on January 22, 2023, 11:41:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 22, 2023, 11:40:39 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 22, 2023, 11:29:13 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 22, 2023, 08:30:50 PM
Guns are a culture war, same as trans.
Before WW2 there was a culture war involving the Klan. It didn't survive WW2.
People were brought together.
So guns will go when neoliberalism does.

Where are they going to go?

Who's going to give up their guns?

It's not impossible but it'll take an era changing event and then it'll take time.

Even that mental f**king basket of a country has to have a tipping point with regards right and wrong. It might be a machine gun in a sports stadium. Or it might be a machine gun in court room. Or it might be a machine gun in a political chamber. But something that completely changes perceptions on a national level, eventually has to happen. Automatic weapons, drugs, depression and a muddled sense of purpose make it inevitable.
If Sandy Hook and the like didn't do it, i dont know what will.
The politics have to change. Guns are a symbol of corruption and a corrupt lobby, the NRA. It's a culture war because guns divide people. That is the point. The workingvclass is divided.

There is an airport in New York named after a politician who destroyed Tammany Hall, a previous Democratic version of he corrupt lobby . The people loved him.

https://youtu.be/SaHflVDIzZo

Someone like him will emerge and destroy the NRA. The really sad thing about guns in the US is that people are dying for nothing. It is all pointless.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/10/06/opinion/guns-soul-of-america.amp.html

"The US needs "some sort of synthesis on the larger postindustrial/populism war. Over a century ago industrialisation brought on culture clash between agrarian populist and the genteel Victoria aristocrats.  Theodore Roosevelt transcended the fight by inventing a new kind of American nationalism. Meanwhile the progressives cleaned up elite corruption and nurtured a square deal for those left behind by technological change. Cultural leaders introduced new institutions and community forms like the Boy Scouts and the settlement house that drew from both cultures replaced them.  Today we need another grand synthesis that can move us beyond the current divide, a synthesis that is neither redneck nor hipster but draws from both worlds to create a new social vision progress on guns will be possible when the culture war subsides, not before. "

Gmac

Quote from: seafoid on January 23, 2023, 03:02:46 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 22, 2023, 11:41:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 22, 2023, 11:40:39 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 22, 2023, 11:29:13 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 22, 2023, 08:30:50 PM
Guns are a culture war, same as trans.
Before WW2 there was a culture war involving the Klan. It didn't survive WW2.
People were brought together.
So guns will go when neoliberalism does.

Where are they going to go?

Who's going to give up their guns?

It's not impossible but it'll take an era changing event and then it'll take time.

Even that mental f**king basket of a country has to have a tipping point with regards right and wrong. It might be a machine gun in a sports stadium. Or it might be a machine gun in court room. Or it might be a machine gun in a political chamber. But something that completely changes perceptions on a national level, eventually has to happen. Automatic weapons, drugs, depression and a muddled sense of purpose make it inevitable.
If Sandy Hook and the like didn't do it, i dont know what will.
The politics have to change. Guns are a symbol of corruption and a corrupt lobby, the NRA. It's a culture war because guns divide people. That is the point. The workingvclass is divided.

There is an airport in New York named after a politician who destroyed Tammany Hall, a previous Democratic version of he corrupt lobby . The people loved him.

https://youtu.be/SaHflVDIzZo

Someone like him will emerge and destroy the NRA. The really sad thing about guns in the US is that people are dying for nothing. It is all pointless.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/10/06/opinion/guns-soul-of-america.amp.html

"The US needs "some sort of synthesis on the larger postindustrial/populism war. Over a century ago industrialisation brought on culture clash between agrarian populist and the genteel Victoria aristocrats.  Theodore Roosevelt transcended the fight by inventing a new kind of American nationalism. Meanwhile the progressives cleaned up elite corruption and nurtured a square deal for those left behind by technological change. Cultural leaders introduced new institutions and community forms like the Boy Scouts and the settlement house that drew from both cultures replaced them.  Today we need another grand synthesis that can move us beyond the current divide, a synthesis that is neither redneck nor hipster but draws from both worlds to create a new social vision progress on guns will be possible when the culture war subsides, not before. "
I think you are over complicating things the bottom line is people who have guns in their home or carry them for protection or use guns for hunting and don't do anything illegal with them  are never giving them up  and I wouldn't want to try take them either . Think of that what you want but that is the reality .

seafoid

#1514
There will still be guns but there won't be the NRA linking guns to the GOP.
Guns don't have to be politicised.