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« Reply #1095 on: February 16, 2018, 11:35:35 AM »
A lot of people are talking about how there are no solutions to the problem of gun violence in America.

But then I overheard somebody on a bus say "they should ban guns".

I thought to myself, that sounds so obvious that it just might work!

You didnt think, thats the problem, you ban guns it gets worse, do you seriously think that banning guns will solve the problem? If so you are a biggr idiot than I took you for!
Yes mate, I think it would work way, way better than the current situation.

It's a very simple problem with a very simple solution, and only very simple people, like you, think otherwise.

Siddles, how much time have you spent in the States? If you think this is a simple problem you are the one that is simple, I just read about many police officers and servicemen who, when asked if they would go to peoples homes and take the guns from them, to a man/woman they said no, they would refuse ANY order to do so, so that makes things a tad complex, who is going to collect these guns? the liberal politicians? Hardly ked!

What is your simple solution sidley? Pray tell, I am all ears.

The fact is guns have been a part of American history since the beginning of American history and no way in hell will the gun ever be removed from American society, its not going to happen ever!!!!

I could see a scenario were snowflakes like you sidley go knocking on doors demanding gun owners hand over their guns, I would watch in fascinated horror as your chest exploded with a 45 ripping through it and your mouth agape with that wtf  expression before you expired, the fact you see this as a simple problem with a simple fix speaks volumes, in my scenario you would be missed sidley, truly missed, and this from a man who has no time for guns at all at all anymore, you are living in fantasy land kid and you know nothing about the gun control situation in America, absolutely nothing!

Police officers, Marines, Armay men etc will refuse en masse to take guns from the people, it will not happen.............Ever. Simple.

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« Reply #1096 on: February 16, 2018, 11:43:51 AM »
A lot of people are talking about how there are no solutions to the problem of gun violence in America.

But then I overheard somebody on a bus say "they should ban guns".

I thought to myself, that sounds so obvious that it just might work!

You didnt think, thats the problem, you ban guns it gets worse, do you seriously think that banning guns will solve the problem? If so you are a biggr idiot than I took you for!
Yes mate, I think it would work way, way better than the current situation.

It's a very simple problem with a very simple solution, and only very simple people, like you, think otherwise.

Siddles, how much time have you spent in the States? If you think this is a simple problem you are the one that is simple, I just read about many police officers and servicemen who, when asked if they would go to peoples homes and take the guns from them, to a man/woman they said no, they would refuse ANY order to do so, so that makes things a tad complex, who is going to collect these guns? the liberal politicians? Hardly ked!

What is your simple solution sidley? Pray tell, I am all ears.

The fact is guns have been a part of American history since the beginning of American history and no way in hell will the gun ever be removed from American society, its not going to happen ever!!!!

I could see a scenario were snowflakes like you sidley go knocking on doors demanding gun owners hand over their guns, I would watch in fascinated horror as your chest exploded with a 45 ripping through it and your mouth agape with that wtf  expression before you expired, the fact you see this as a simple problem with a simple fix speaks volumes, in my scenario you would be missed sidley, truly missed, and this from a man who has no time for guns at all at all anymore, you are living in fantasy land kid and you know nothing about the gun control situation in America, absolutely nothing!

Police officers, Marines, Armay men etc will refuse en masse to take guns from the people, it will not happen.............Ever. Simple.



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« Reply #1097 on: February 16, 2018, 11:49:21 AM »
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Just for the historical record: after the Sandy Hook / Newtown shootings of Dec 2012, @LeaderMcConnell led the Senate filibuster that kept gun control measures from coming to a vote. (link: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/18/us/politics/senate-obama-gun-control.html) nytimes.com/2013/04/18/us/…


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In 1996, the Republican-majority Congress threatened to strip funding from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention unless it stopped funding research into firearm injuries and deaths. (link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/10/04/gun-violence-research-has-been-shut-down-for-20-years/?utm_term=.b495134d4dbd) washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2…
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« Reply #1098 on: February 16, 2018, 11:52:15 AM »
How does anyone know unless it's tried?

Australia decided to have an amnesty on semi automatic weapons and introduce strict background checks on all gun ownership going forward.

They haven't had a mass shooting since and the rates of homicide and suicide have reduced. You will never stop it completely or get all the guns but at least do f**king something!!!

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« Reply #1099 on: February 16, 2018, 12:04:05 PM »
The neighbouring states don't have the same strict laws and the guns flood into Chicago. Highlights the need for federal action, rather than state laws (though realistically it is at state level where the most progress can be made).

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« Reply #1100 on: February 16, 2018, 12:15:36 PM »
How does anyone know unless it's tried?

Australia decided to have an amnesty on semi automatic weapons and introduce strict background checks on all gun ownership going forward.

They haven't had a mass shooting since and the rates of homicide and suicide have reduced. You will never stop it completely or get all the guns but at least do f**king something!!!

Was not aware of that.

I dont normally pay too much attention to this thread because a) I know very little about the laws and situation in America bar what I see in the media and b) like all things USA on this board it seems to develop into the  into the usual  rants.

However, I honestly fail to see how anyone can defend not banning automatic/semi automatic  weapons. I get the whole issue around the number of  guns in circulation and if you banned them then they would be forced underground etc etc. But, if you make it harder for one nutjob to carry out a Sandy Hook, Vegas, Florida then surely that is a result. Yes if they were determined enough they could probably source guns illegally but I assume this would take time and they probably would not be able to put together the same arsenal and secondly may go for an "easier" option of using a knife/car or even a handgun etc. Horrific yes, but highly unlikely to result in the same number of fatalities.

I'm not sure where I stand on the handgun side of things. Personally I think if you are starting from scratch you ban them but given the Constitution and the sheer numbers in circulation that is never going to happen.


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« Reply #1101 on: February 16, 2018, 12:55:36 PM »
A lot of people are talking about how there are no solutions to the problem of gun violence in America.

But then I overheard somebody on a bus say "they should ban guns".

I thought to myself, that sounds so obvious that it just might work!

You didnt think, thats the problem, you ban guns it gets worse, do you seriously think that banning guns will solve the problem? If so you are a biggr idiot than I took you for!
Yes mate, I think it would work way, way better than the current situation.

It's a very simple problem with a very simple solution, and only very simple people, like you, think otherwise.

Siddles, how much time have you spent in the States? If you think this is a simple problem you are the one that is simple, I just read about many police officers and servicemen who, when asked if they would go to peoples homes and take the guns from them, to a man/woman they said no, they would refuse ANY order to do so, so that makes things a tad complex, who is going to collect these guns? the liberal politicians? Hardly ked!

What is your simple solution sidley? Pray tell, I am all ears.

The fact is guns have been a part of American history since the beginning of American history and no way in hell will the gun ever be removed from American society, its not going to happen ever!!!!

I could see a scenario were snowflakes like you sidley go knocking on doors demanding gun owners hand over their guns, I would watch in fascinated horror as your chest exploded with a 45 ripping through it and your mouth agape with that wtf  expression before you expired, the fact you see this as a simple problem with a simple fix speaks volumes, in my scenario you would be missed sidley, truly missed, and this from a man who has no time for guns at all at all anymore, you are living in fantasy land kid and you know nothing about the gun control situation in America, absolutely nothing!

Police officers, Marines, Armay men etc will refuse en masse to take guns from the people, it will not happen.............Ever. Simple.




So exile, it is a simple fix as your mucker siddles infers?

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« Reply #1102 on: February 16, 2018, 01:52:59 PM »
A lot of people are talking about how there are no solutions to the problem of gun violence in America.

But then I overheard somebody on a bus say "they should ban guns".

I thought to myself, that sounds so obvious that it just might work!

You didnt think, thats the problem, you ban guns it gets worse, do you seriously think that banning guns will solve the problem? If so you are a biggr idiot than I took you for!
Yes mate, I think it would work way, way better than the current situation.

It's a very simple problem with a very simple solution, and only very simple people, like you, think otherwise.

Siddles, how much time have you spent in the States? If you think this is a simple problem you are the one that is simple, I just read about many police officers and servicemen who, when asked if they would go to peoples homes and take the guns from them, to a man/woman they said no, they would refuse ANY order to do so, so that makes things a tad complex, who is going to collect these guns? the liberal politicians? Hardly ked!

What is your simple solution sidley? Pray tell, I am all ears.

The fact is guns have been a part of American history since the beginning of American history and no way in hell will the gun ever be removed from American society, its not going to happen ever!!!!

I could see a scenario were snowflakes like you sidley go knocking on doors demanding gun owners hand over their guns, I would watch in fascinated horror as your chest exploded with a 45 ripping through it and your mouth agape with that wtf  expression before you expired, the fact you see this as a simple problem with a simple fix speaks volumes, in my scenario you would be missed sidley, truly missed, and this from a man who has no time for guns at all at all anymore, you are living in fantasy land kid and you know nothing about the gun control situation in America, absolutely nothing!

Police officers, Marines, Armay men etc will refuse en masse to take guns from the people, it will not happen.............Ever. Simple.




So exile, it is a simple fix as your mucker siddles infers?

Great movie by the way, you gotta love slim pickins!  ;)

So what is your solution Stew?

Is it just one of the things you have to endure to live in the greatest democracy in the free world?

Are we snowflakes for thinking its crazy that schools are susceptible to these types of shooting on a weekly basis?

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« Reply #1103 on: February 16, 2018, 02:21:00 PM »
It has to be done in stages. You can't get a seismic shift in gun control passed in the US, so it's pointless trying. Take it step by step. And surely the most obvious first stage is to stop the sale of automatic weapons. There is no reasonable argument for that. You would have to hope that this would have support by enough in the US to get through. If not, then I'm sorry stew, but the collectives calls for stupidity against the US have some grounding.
So remove these weapons first. Then move to review the license process and make it much more strict. As wobbler mentioned, then move to restrict ammunition. Then remove to look at hand guns etc. Peel it back slowly over many years if it has to be. But at least start the process now, don't kick the can down the road anymore.
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« Reply #1104 on: February 16, 2018, 02:29:13 PM »
It has to be done in stages. You can't get a seismic shift in gun control passed in the US, so it's pointless trying. Take it step by step. And surely the most obvious first stage is to stop the sale of automatic weapons. There is no reasonable argument for that. You would have to hope that this would have support by enough in the US to get through. If not, then I'm sorry stew, but the collectives calls for stupidity against the US have some grounding.
So remove these weapons first. Then move to review the license process and make it much more strict. As wobbler mentioned, then move to restrict ammunition. Then remove to look at hand guns etc. Peel it back slowly over many years if it has to be. But at least start the process now, don't kick the can down the road anymore.

You're not even going to get that debate on automatic weapons started due to the stranglehold the NRA have over both parties.
To really start the process lobbying groups need to be curtailed and the only ones able to do that are the politicians and turkeys don't vote for christmas I'm afraid.

The swamp does indeed need drained but there has to be a political will to do it, but they're all on the take somewhere or other.

It's not going to happen and we'll get all the fake outrage and sympathy once again, then again and again.

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« Reply #1105 on: February 16, 2018, 02:35:12 PM »
The NRA is a core GOP constituency. Nothing will change
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« Reply #1106 on: February 16, 2018, 02:56:11 PM »
I just read about many police officers and servicemen who, when asked if they would go to peoples homes and take the guns from them, to a man/woman they said no, they would refuse ANY order to do so

So the armed services would mutiny? It's even more screwed up than I thought.
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« Reply #1107 on: February 16, 2018, 03:03:09 PM »
I just read about many police officers and servicemen who, when asked if they would go to peoples homes and take the guns from them, to a man/woman they said no, they would refuse ANY order to do so

So the armed services would mutiny? It's even more screwed up than I thought.

You a link to that article Stew? Would be interested to read that.

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« Reply #1108 on: February 16, 2018, 03:08:47 PM »
As I said yesterday, if you want to change gun control laws at a federal level in the United States in the current climate, to stand any chance you're going to need an organisation that is named something like "Muslims 4 Machine Guns" that does mass rallys, get even just a small level of political and media influence, have Muslims that are US citizens pose for selfies holding an AK47 in one hand and a Quran & US passport in the other whilst standing in front of the stars and stripes etc. This might be a very loaded suggestion (pardon the pun) but one that is unfortunately amongst those that have at least an outside chance of making change happen.
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« Reply #1109 on: February 16, 2018, 03:16:12 PM »
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/15/it-took-one-massacre-how-australia-made-gun-control-happen-after-port-arthur

It’s a very long article but it is about the Australian Gun amnesty after the Port Arthur shootings, the guy used the same AR 15 rifle that was used the other day. The USA needs to change it’s mindset. Australia did and there have been no mass shootings since. In the 20 years prior to that there were 13. If you do nothing then nothing changes. If you accept that it should stay the same then it will always stay the same. If people cannot see the need for change then it will repeat and repeat and then the only ones who  benefit from it are the makers of the guns as whether they’re being used legally or illegally they still have to be bought at some stage. The gun company’s are laughing at the population of the US and it’s politicians.
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