Pat McEnaney wants more players sent off!

[orangeman]

Pat and his committee will be pleased tonight after Shefflin getting the road today in the big match. Nothing like sending off a big name to get everyone's attention to the new regime. Shefflin's first ever championship red card ?

[orangeman]

Pat and his committee will be pleased tonight after Shefflin getting the road today in the big match. Nothing like sending off a big name to get everyone's attention to the new regime. Shefflin's first ever championship red card ?

Really?

Supposedly yes.

[waterfordlad]

First yellow very harsh as all Shefflin did was tap on opponents hurley. 2nd one justified. As long as refs are consistent with neck and head high tackles no-one can have complaints. Kelly seemed to be distracted by the fight in midfield and yellow carding those players but O'Neill should have got a least a yellow for pulling across Larkin for the penalty.

[mayogodhelpus@gmail.com]

Mayo had to play another county and Pat McEnaney on more than one occassion. Meath is long forgiven, Pat on the other hand 

[Bord na Mona man]

Pat and his committee will be pleased tonight after Shefflin getting the road today in the big match. Nothing like sending off a big name to get everyone's attention to the new regime. Shefflin's first ever championship red card ?

Really?

Supposedly yes.

It's hardly an Everest climbing achievement for a forward to avoid getting a red card in their career. Though Shefflin did get red carded and suspended in the league some time around 2004.

[orangeman]

Pat and his committee will be pleased tonight after Shefflin getting the road today in the big match. Nothing like sending off a big name to get everyone's attention to the new regime. Shefflin's first ever championship red card ?

Really?

Supposedly yes.

It's hardly an Everest climbing achievement for a forward to avoid getting a red card in their career. Though Shefflin did get red carded and suspended in the league some time around 2004.

2004 - 10 playing seasons ago -

[theskull1]

First yellow very harsh as all Shefflin did was tap on opponents hurley. 2nd one justified. As long as refs are consistent with neck and head high tackles no-one can have complaints. Kelly seemed to be distracted by the fight in midfield and yellow carding those players but O'Neill should have got a least a yellow for pulling across Larkin for the penalty.

Not in my book. Small man drops his shoulder and leans into the arm of the man defending. The man defending recognises this and moves his arms back to ensure it doesnt get locked round the attacking players neck. There was nothing dangerous about what Shefflin did. He reacted quickly to the possibility that a foul was being drawn (the attacker knew what he was doing). Some difference to a man breaking a tackle at pace and the defending player clothslines him. Two totally different challenges that need different sanctions

Compare Shefflins two fouls to the antics and intent of Shane ONeill yesterday? Hard to believe BK didnt card the foul for the penalty but regardless, he's the most infuriating referee to watch. Games become too much about him.

Fancy Cork on yesterdays form

[Bord na Mona man]

First yellow very harsh as all Shefflin did was tap on opponents hurley. 2nd one justified. As long as refs are consistent with neck and head high tackles no-one can have complaints. Kelly seemed to be distracted by the fight in midfield and yellow carding those players but O'Neill should have got a least a yellow for pulling across Larkin for the penalty.

Not in my book. Small man drops his shoulder and leans into the arm of the man defending. The man defending recognises this and moves his arms back to ensure it doesnt get locked round the attacking players neck. There was nothing dangerous about what Shefflin did. He reacted quickly to the possibility that a foul was being drawn (the attacker knew what he was doing). Some difference to a man breaking a tackle at pace and the defending player clothslines him. Two totally different challenges that need different sanctions

Compare Shefflins two fouls to the antics and intent of Shane ONeill yesterday? Hard to believe BK didnt card the foul for the penalty but regardless, he's the most infuriating referee to watch. Games become too much about him.

Fancy Cork on yesterdays form

I think it was clarified afterwards that O'Neill was yellow carded for the penalty foul.
That said, it was potentially a red card tackle the way he swung.

[neilthemac]

Henry got two yellows
not a straight red card.

big difference

[theskull1]

Henry got two yellows
not a straight red card.

big difference

hard to know what you're saying there or who you're saying it to?

[neilthemac]

As in, don't blame McEnaney

Henry deserved both cards.
late slap with the hurley
high tackle (Kilkenny have been masters at winning frees from these for years)
Henry or Cody can have no complaints

[theskull1]

Henry deserved both cards.   If you looked at all the fouls committed during the game, these were less deserving of even a free never mind a card though referees seems to be able to pick and choose what he wants to card and what he doesnt. The rulebook if used at every turn would bring the game to a standstill, so the referees have a sizeable influence on games. 
late slap with the hurley Too vague. He may have made contact yes but didn't look like much of a slap to me. How many "mistimed" knocks do hurlers get in a game and they go unpunished (because its part of the game). The player with the ball didn't even react so its unclear whether any contact was made but regardless it was a very soft yellow card when you consider the challenge that P Maher made on Michael Rice in the AIF that didn't even get blown.
high tackle (Kilkenny have been masters at winning frees from these for years)  Again suitably vague. I've already explained the variances here in actual play. They should be looked at differently. It became a high tackle because the small player dipped into him and made it a high tackle. The attacker bought the free. Here we are once again making the mistake of over reacting to the headline about the dangers of the high tackle with taking each tackle on its merit. I don't think that's fair. You're just making up the second bit. They were masters of many dark arts but I've no recollection of that one.
Henry or Cody can have no complaints I didn't hear any of them complaining

Cork were good value for their win yesterday. The cats looked battle weary and didnt deserve to get anything from yesterdays game

[orangeman]

Horgan gets sent off in Munster final.


Cork appeal and get the red card rescinded.


Horgan gets MOM yesterday.


James Mc Grath says he'd do the same again tomorrow.  Here's the link -
http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/standing-over-his-judgment-29454039.html


Refs board have backed Mc Grath to the hilt - see link.


Surely there's something wrong here.



PS Mc Grath will go far in refereeing with that kind of attitude. The final beckons shortly.

[johnneycool]

Horgan gets sent off in Munster final.


Cork appeal and get the red card rescinded.


Horgan gets MOM yesterday.


James Mc Grath says he'd do the same again tomorrow.  Here's the link -
http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/standing-over-his-judgment-29454039.html


Refs board have backed Mc Grath to the hilt - see link.


Surely there's something wrong here.



PS Mc Grath will go far in refereeing with that kind of attitude. The final beckons shortly.

McEnaney when he finally did comment on the Horgan issue rightly supported McGrath and commented on the fact that he and the referees had no say in the goings on in committee rooms speaks of a disconnect in the disciplinary process for sure;

"We're sticking to the matters that we've set out since the start of the year," said McEnaney. "James McGrath reported a player for striking. What happens outside of the job that we do, in the committee rooms, that's for other people to decide and we've no axe to grind.

"We'll be sticking to what the referees have been instructed to do and that is fellas being struck on the head with a hurley is a red card offence with us. It's a striking offence.

"Too many of these incidents have been happening and have been going without the punishment they deserve. We'll be continuing to do our job. The referees will be doing it the way we've asked them to do it. There will be no change of direction on our part. What goes on in board or committee rooms is none of my business."



The full article is in an previous post on this thread.

[deiseach]

Horgan gets sent off in Munster final.


Cork appeal and get the red card rescinded.


Horgan gets MOM yesterday.


James Mc Grath says he'd do the same again tomorrow.  Here's the link -
http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/standing-over-his-judgment-29454039.html


Refs board have backed Mc Grath to the hilt - see link.


Surely there's something wrong here.



PS Mc Grath will go far in refereeing with that kind of attitude. The final beckons shortly.

I don't know about his 'attitude', to my mind there is no my-way-or-the-highway to his demeanour. In general though, you're right. Something is wrong when you have refs being told to do one thing, safe in the weaselly knowledge that yerra we can fix the mistake after the game.