The Palestine thread

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seafoid

Quote from: give her dixie on August 20, 2014, 03:07:46 PM
Official: 20 killed by Israeli strikes since truce collapsed

Renewed Israeli attacks on Gaza have killed 20 Palestinians since a temporary ceasefire collapsed on Tuesday, a health ministry spokesman said Wednesday.

Ashraf al-Qidra said that Zaki Suleiman al-Rai, 54, died from wounds sustained early Wednesday.

The bodies of Mustafa Rabah al-Dalou, 14 and Wafaa Hussein al-Dalou were also recovered from the wreckage of the al-Dalou family home in Gaza City.

Earlier, a two-year-old Palestinian girl was killed in Israeli shelling on the al-Zaytoun neighborhood of Gaza City, al-Qidra said.

She was identified as Nour Muhammad Abu Hasirah.

Before that, al-Qidra said an Israeli airstrike killed an unidentified man near the al-Maqusi residential buildings in western Gaza City. The man's body was taken to Shifa hospital.

Al-Qidra added that civil defense rescue teams had recovered the bodies of a woman and a child from the rubble of the al-Dalou family home in Sheikh Radwan, which was hit by five Israeli missiles.

The wife and daughter of al-Qassam Brigades commander Muhammad Deif were killed in the attack, Hamas says, along with four-year-old Ahmad al-Dalou.

A 24-hour truce due to last until midnight collapsed late Tuesday afternoon when Israel said rockets fired from the Strip hit Beersheba. Hamas denied firing the rockets.

An Israeli army statement said that 117 rockets had been fired at Israel from Gaza since the truce collapsed.

One of them hit a home in Ashkelon without causing injuries, it said.

Earlier, the army said it had struck "some 60 terror sites" in Gaza overnight, in addition to targeting "two terrorists ... in the northern Gaza Strip."

Over 2,000 Palestinians -- the vast majority of them civilians -- have been killed throughout Israel's offensive on Gaza.

Sixty-seven people have been killed on the Israeli side, 64 of them soldiers.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=721960

And we'll kill the terrorizers
and a million of their races,
But when our people torture you,
that's a few random cases.
Don't question the sun.
It doesn't help anyone.

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give her dixie

So, the Occupier issues a court order on the native Occupied to move to another part of Occupied land.

Only Israel can get away with this sh1t

Israeli forces deliver 'deportation order' to PFLP lawmaker

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=721927

Israeli forces raided the house of a Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine lawmaker early Wednesday and delivered an order demanding that she leave Ramallah.

Khalida Jarrar told Ma'an that dozens of soldiers raided her house in Ramallah early Wednesday and delivered a deportation order "by an Israeli court" to Jericho for an unspecified period of time.

Jarrar added that the place of residence in Jericho was specified in the order.
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DrinkingHarp

Quote from: give her dixie on July 26, 2014, 09:10:40 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on July 01, 2014, 06:10:41 PM
Recording of teen's emergency call released. Audio of call placed by Gilad Shaar to police on night of kidnapping catches his plea, 'They kidnapped me,' followed by shouts and gunshots.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.602442/1.602442

They knew all along the boys were dead, but yet Netanyahu put up a charade for 3 weeks telling the world Hamas kidnapped them and they were going to find them and bring them home. That lie led to what we see in Gaza right now.


According to Senior Hamas Officials, they did kidnap the three teens.

http://news.yahoo.com/senior-hamas-official-says-group-abducted-israeli-teens-104952838.html

And if you look at the video at the end of the report you will see people of Gaza using Caterpillar equipment to clear debris.

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seafoid

Quote from: DrinkingHarp on August 22, 2014, 04:34:14 AM
Quote from: give her dixie on July 26, 2014, 09:10:40 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on July 01, 2014, 06:10:41 PM
Recording of teen's emergency call released. Audio of call placed by Gilad Shaar to police on night of kidnapping catches his plea, 'They kidnapped me,' followed by shouts and gunshots.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.602442/1.602442

They knew all along the boys were dead, but yet Netanyahu put up a charade for 3 weeks telling the world Hamas kidnapped them and they were going to find them and bring them home. That lie led to what we see in Gaza right now.


According to Senior Hamas Officials, they did kidnap the three teens.

http://news.yahoo.com/senior-hamas-official-says-group-abducted-israeli-teens-104952838.html

And if you look at the video at the end of the report you will see people of Gaza using Caterpillar equipment to clear debris.

Most likely it was an opportunistic kidnap by a contrary family in the West Bank. It wasn't Hamas policy. And even if it was how could it justify what Israel has done since ?


http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.611677

"Almost all the Gaza Strip's 1.8 million residents are suffering from a severe lack of water for drinking and washing, since Israeli bombs seriously damaged the Strip's water, electricity and sewage infrastructure.
One of the most serious consequences of the water shortage has been an outbreak of skin disease and other infections in the temporary shelters that today house some 275,000 displaced Gazans. That number is expected to rise now that the fighting has resumed.

The Palestinian Water Authority says that 11 wells and two purification plants were completely destroyed by the bombing, while 15 wells and four purification plants were partly destroyed. Twenty-nine kilometers (18 miles) of pipeline was destroyed and another 17 kilometers was damaged. Thus only about half the water system is functional, and even the functional parts get water only once every five days, according to Ewash, a coalition of international aid organizations that specialize in water and sanitation systems.
Even in normal times, more than 90 percent of Gaza's water is unfit for drinking because Israel requires the Palestinian Authority — which is responsible for the water system — to make do with the groundwater located in Gaza itself, despite the enormous growth of the Strip's population. This has led to constant overpumping, which in turn has resulted in seawater and sewage contaminating the groundwater. Therefore, people depend on the purification plants for drinking water."

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LeoMc

Quote from: seafoid on August 19, 2014, 08:18:45 PM
Rossie

Would a Jew marrying a Muslim in Israel qualify as Rassenschande or is there another reason why it is banned ?

Is it banned in Israeli law or just in some Jewish sects?
I did not see police arresting that couple in Tel Aviv last week.

seafoid

#2810
Quote from: LeoMc on August 22, 2014, 10:05:21 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 19, 2014, 08:18:45 PM
Rossie

Would a Jew marrying a Muslim in Israel qualify as Rassenschande or is there another reason why it is banned ?

Is it banned in Israeli law or just in some Jewish sects?
I did not see police arresting that couple in Tel Aviv last week.
That is because the woman converted to Islam so she could marry the man in Israel.
If she had stayed Jewish they would have been arrested.

It is crazy.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.611928

"Israeli Jews are more opposed to intermarriage than Israeli Arabs, with fully 75 percent of Jews saying they would refuse to marry someone of a different religion, a new poll by Haaretz found."



the actual reason is that if the wife is not Jewish then the kids are not Jewish so you can't keep up a Jewish majority.
They should just change the rules on how you become Jewish and give people their civil rights back.

Imagine Jews being forbidden to marry Christians in Europe and the uproar from Mike Sheehy. 
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

LeoMc

Quote from: seafoid on August 22, 2014, 10:10:39 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on August 22, 2014, 10:05:21 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 19, 2014, 08:18:45 PM
Rossie

Would a Jew marrying a Muslim in Israel qualify as Rassenschande or is there another reason why it is banned ?

Is it banned in Israeli law or just in some Jewish sects?
I did not see police arresting that couple in Tel Aviv last week.
That is because the woman converted to Islam so she could marry the man in Israel.
If she had stayed Jewish they would have been arrested.

It is crazy.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.611928

"Israeli Jews are more opposed to intermarriage than Israeli Arabs, with fully 75 percent of Jews saying they would refuse to marry someone of a different religion, a new poll by Haaretz found."



the actual reason is that if the wife is not Jewish then the kids are not Jewish so you can't keep up a Jewish majority.
They should just change the rules on how you become Jewish and give people their civil rights back.

Imagine Jews being forbidden to marry Christians in Europe and the uproar from Mike Sheehy.

Here is an article from the Jewish post and the group protesting about Jewish girls going out with Arabs are claiming that the men turn violent after marriage so it would appear to be allowed, just frowned upon.

http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Protecting-Jewish-girls-from-Arabs

seafoid

Quote from: LeoMc on August 22, 2014, 10:23:44 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 22, 2014, 10:10:39 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on August 22, 2014, 10:05:21 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 19, 2014, 08:18:45 PM
Rossie

Would a Jew marrying a Muslim in Israel qualify as Rassenschande or is there another reason why it is banned ?

Is it banned in Israeli law or just in some Jewish sects?
I did not see police arresting that couple in Tel Aviv last week.
That is because the woman converted to Islam so she could marry the man in Israel.
If she had stayed Jewish they would have been arrested.

It is crazy.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.611928

"Israeli Jews are more opposed to intermarriage than Israeli Arabs, with fully 75 percent of Jews saying they would refuse to marry someone of a different religion, a new poll by Haaretz found."



the actual reason is that if the wife is not Jewish then the kids are not Jewish so you can't keep up a Jewish majority.
They should just change the rules on how you become Jewish and give people their civil rights back.

Imagine Jews being forbidden to marry Christians in Europe and the uproar from Mike Sheehy.

Here is an article from the Jewish post and the group protesting about Jewish girls going out with Arabs are claiming that the men turn violent after marriage so it would appear to be allowed, just frowned upon.

http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Protecting-Jewish-girls-from-Arabs
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.611220

Israeli law doesn't permit marriages between people of different religions, and if Malka had not converted to Islam, the two could not have married in Israel, where marriage is subject to religious law
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

LeoMc

#2813
Quote from: seafoid on August 22, 2014, 10:29:07 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on August 22, 2014, 10:23:44 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 22, 2014, 10:10:39 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on August 22, 2014, 10:05:21 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 19, 2014, 08:18:45 PM
Rossie

Would a Jew marrying a Muslim in Israel qualify as Rassenschande or is there another reason why it is banned ?


Is it banned in Israeli law or just in some Jewish sects?
I did not see police arresting that couple in Tel Aviv last week.
That is because the woman converted to Islam so she could marry the man in Israel.
If she had stayed Jewish they would have been arrested.

It is crazy.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.611928

"Israeli Jews are more opposed to intermarriage than Israeli Arabs, with fully 75 percent of Jews saying they would refuse to marry someone of a different religion, a new poll by Haaretz found."



the actual reason is that if the wife is not Jewish then the kids are not Jewish so you can't keep up a Jewish majority.
They should just change the rules on how you become Jewish and give people their civil rights back.

Imagine Jews being forbidden to marry Christians in Europe and the uproar from Mike Sheehy.

Here is an article from the Jewish post and the group protesting about Jewish girls going out with Arabs are claiming that the men turn violent after marriage so it would appear to be allowed, just frowned upon.

http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Protecting-Jewish-girls-from-Arabs
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.611220

Israeli law doesn't permit marriages between people of different religions, and if Malka had not converted to Islam, the two could not have married in Israel, where marriage is subject to religious law


Not quite Israeli law. It only states it must be a religious ceremony unless both partners are "other" and not members of the 3 main churches. Many interfaith couples have been able to get around the law by marrying abroad – Cyprus is the closest and one of the most popular destinations – and then having the union recognized by Israel's Interior Ministry. So the Israeli state itself has no issue with mixed marriage.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/shavuot/.premium-1.596576

Religious authorities recognized by Israel, including those of Muslims and of Christian denominations, also do not perform interfaith marriages, so a Jew cannot marry a Muslim or a Christian unless one member of the couple converts to the faith of his or her partner. (Islamic law technically allows for a Muslim man to marry a Christian or a Jewish woman, as long as their children are raised Muslim, but Muslim clerics and scholars frown on the practice.

In 2010 the Knesset passed a law that recognizes civil unions, but only if both partners are registered as not belonging to any religion.

The Rassenschande comment could just as easily be directed at the other religions if you are equating race and religion.


Itchy

So is Hamas murder of a 4 yr old Jewish child worth condemning or their execution of 11 collaborators?

seafoid

Quote from: Itchy on August 22, 2014, 11:29:26 PM
So is Hamas murder of a 4 yr old Jewish child worth condemning or their execution of 11 collaborators?
yes

I wonder what Israel's exit plan is.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

give her dixie

Hamas backs International Criminal Court bid

Hamas has signed a pledge to back any Palestinian bid to join the International Criminal Court, two senior officials in the group said Saturday. Such a step could expose Israel - as well as Hamas - to war crimes investigations.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has debated for months whether to join the court, a step that would transform his relations with Israel from tense to openly hostile and could also strain his ties with the United States.

The decision by Hamas to sign a document in support of a court bid removes a major obstacle, though it's not clear if Abbas now will go ahead. A hesitant Abbas has said he would not make any decision without the written backing of all Palestinian factions. Last month, he obtained such support from all factions in the Palestine Liberation Organization.

Hamas, which is not a PLO member, has said it would study the idea. Its decision to support the court option came after almost seven weeks of a deadly cross-border war with Israel and several failed cease-fire efforts.

Since the war erupted July 8, more than 2,090 Palestinians have been killed, including close to 500 children, and about 100,000 Gazans have been left homeless, according to United Nations figures and Palestinian officials. Israel lost 64 soldiers and four civilians, including a 4-year-old boy killed by a mortar shell Friday.

During the war, Gaza militants have fired more than 3,800 rockets and mortar shells at Israel, while Israel launched about 5,000 airstrikes at Gaza, the military said. Israel has it has targeted sites linked to militants, including rocket launchers and weapons. U.N. and Palestinian officials say three-fourths of those killed in Gaza have been civilians.

On Saturday, an airstrike on a house in central Gaza killed two women, two children and a man, according to medics at the Red Crescent. Six strikes also hit a house in the Zeitoun neighborhood of Gaza, causing severe damage but no injuries, Gaza police said.

Since the start of the Gaza war, Abbas has come under growing domestic pressure to pave the way for a possible war crimes investigation of Israel. Last month, he told senior PLO officials and leaders of smaller political groups he would only go ahead if Hamas supports the bid.

If Abbas were to turn to the court, Hamas could be investigated for indiscriminate rocket fire at Israel since 2000. Israel could come under scrutiny for its actions in the current Gaza war as well as decades of settlement building on war-won lands the Palestinians seek for a state.

Izzat Rishq, a senior Hamas official, said Saturday that Hamas was not concerned about becoming a target of a war crimes investigation.

"We are under occupation, under daily attack and our fighters are defending their people," he said in a phone interview from Qatar. "These rockets are meant to stop Israeli attacks and it is well known that Israel initiated this war and previous wars."

However, it is not clear if such arguments would hold up in court. After the last major round of Israel-Hamas fighting more than five years ago, a U.N. fact-finding team said both Israel and Hamas violated the rules of war by targeting civilians - Hamas by firing rockets at Israel.

Hamas' decision to back a court bid came after meetings on Thursday and Friday in Qatar between Abbas and the top Hamas leader in exile, Khaled Mashaal.

Moussa Abu Marzouk, a senior Hamas leader who participated in the meetings, wrote on his Facebook page early Saturday that "Hamas has signed the paper" of support Abbas had requested. Rishq said that "we studied the paper and signed it."

Abu Marzouk's post was also reported on Hamas news websites.

There was no comment from Abbas aides and no immediate reaction from Israel, which has opposed involving the court.

Turning to the International Criminal Court became an option for Abbas in 2012, after the U.N. General Assembly recognized "Palestine" in the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem, lands captured by Israel in 1967, as a non-member observer state. The upgrade to a state opened the door to requesting the court's jurisdiction in Palestine.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_ISRAEL_PALESTINIANS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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give her dixie

Five members of a Palestinian family were killed in an Israeli airstrike on a home in central Gaza on Saturday morning, as Israel continued to bombard the besieged coastal enclave on the 47th day of the assault while Palestinian leaders urged international intervention.

The strikes brought the total death toll in Gaza to 2,098 with more than 10,550 injured according to Gaza medical authorities, of whom the United Nations has identified 70 percent as civilians.

The strike on Saturday morning hit the home of the Dahrouj family al-Zawayda neighborhood in the central Gaza Strip, killing a couple and their three children, medical sources said.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=722591
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seafoid

Quote from: LeoMc on August 22, 2014, 01:19:01 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 22, 2014, 10:29:07 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on August 22, 2014, 10:23:44 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 22, 2014, 10:10:39 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on August 22, 2014, 10:05:21 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 19, 2014, 08:18:45 PM
Rossie

Would a Jew marrying a Muslim in Israel qualify as Rassenschande or is there another reason why it is banned ?


Is it banned in Israeli law or just in some Jewish sects?
I did not see police arresting that couple in Tel Aviv last week.
That is because the woman converted to Islam so she could marry the man in Israel.
If she had stayed Jewish they would have been arrested.

It is crazy.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.611928

"Israeli Jews are more opposed to intermarriage than Israeli Arabs, with fully 75 percent of Jews saying they would refuse to marry someone of a different religion, a new poll by Haaretz found."



the actual reason is that if the wife is not Jewish then the kids are not Jewish so you can't keep up a Jewish majority.
They should just change the rules on how you become Jewish and give people their civil rights back.

Imagine Jews being forbidden to marry Christians in Europe and the uproar from Mike Sheehy.

Here is an article from the Jewish post and the group protesting about Jewish girls going out with Arabs are claiming that the men turn violent after marriage so it would appear to be allowed, just frowned upon.

http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Protecting-Jewish-girls-from-Arabs
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.611220

Israeli law doesn't permit marriages between people of different religions, and if Malka had not converted to Islam, the two could not have married in Israel, where marriage is subject to religious law


Not quite Israeli law. It only states it must be a religious ceremony unless both partners are "other" and not members of the 3 main churches. Many interfaith couples have been able to get around the law by marrying abroad – Cyprus is the closest and one of the most popular destinations – and then having the union recognized by Israel's Interior Ministry. So the Israeli state itself has no issue with mixed marriage.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/shavuot/.premium-1.596576

Religious authorities recognized by Israel, including those of Muslims and of Christian denominations, also do not perform interfaith marriages, so a Jew cannot marry a Muslim or a Christian unless one member of the couple converts to the faith of his or her partner. (Islamic law technically allows for a Muslim man to marry a Christian or a Jewish woman, as long as their children are raised Muslim, but Muslim clerics and scholars frown on the practice.

In 2010 the Knesset passed a law that recognizes civil unions, but only if both partners are registered as not belonging to any religion.

The Rassenschande comment could just as easily be directed at the other religions if you are equating race and religion.

Zionism is the system in Israel and it's racist and ethnocentric.
75% of Jews wouldn't marry a Palestinian.
So I think Rassenschande is appropriate.

Israel is way behind other modern democracies on this issue.   
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Itchy

Quote from: seafoid on August 23, 2014, 07:28:03 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 22, 2014, 11:29:26 PM
So is Hamas murder of a 4 yr old Jewish child worth condemning or their execution of 11 collaborators?
yes

I wonder what Israel's exit plan is.

Its almost comical how seafood and Dixie ignore what Hamas does. The only reason Hamas are not committing as many atrocities as Israel is the quality of their weapons. The intent is there and that's why this poor child was murdered. We don't get any pictures or copy and paste articles from the two boys though do we? I'm not excusing Israel either, they are barbaric and a disgrace to civilised society.