The Palestine thread

[Eamonnca1]

About this "this is a courtesy call to tell you your house is going to be obliterated in one minute" business.  How exactly does that keep Israel safe? Just supposing everyone gets out (which is by no means certain) what good does it do to demolish a house with nobody in it?

[seafoid]

About this "this is a courtesy call to tell you your house is going to be obliterated in one minute" business.  How exactly does that keep Israel safe? Just supposing everyone gets out (which is by no means certain) what good does it do to demolish a house with nobody in it?

Israel runs campaigns designed to terrorise Gaza. The notion is that if Israel applies enough cruelty the people will overthrow Hamas.
It's very biblical, really. It ignores Jewish historical experience too.

[muppet]

About this "this is a courtesy call to tell you your house is going to be obliterated in one minute" business.  How exactly does that keep Israel safe? Just supposing everyone gets out (which is by no means certain) what good does it do to demolish a house with nobody in it?

Israel banned construction materials from being brought into Gaza, in 2007, as it could be used for 'terrorist activities'. This ban was relaxed somewhat last year but I suspect it is back in place now. Bombing somewhere that is denied the ability to re-built is only going one direction.

[seafoid]

About this "this is a courtesy call to tell you your house is going to be obliterated in one minute" business.  How exactly does that keep Israel safe? Just supposing everyone gets out (which is by no means certain) what good does it do to demolish a house with nobody in it?

Israel banned construction materials from being brought into Gaza, in 2007, as it could be used for 'terrorist activities'. This ban was relaxed somewhat last year but I suspect it is back in place now. Bombing somewhere that is denied the ability to re-built is only going one direction.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/08/07/uk-mideast-gaza-germany-idUKKBN0G71P320140807

"Lieberman told Thursday's mass-selling German daily Bild that Germany had a "very significant" role to play in preventing an economic and humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza, where Israel and Egypt maintain tight restrictions on the movement of goods and people to try to prevent arms reaching Islamist militants."

The Germans will be expected to feed Gaza when the system collapses there and people start dying from infectious diseases.

[rossiewanderer]

I could have sworn the "what about all the non-Arab-Israeli conflicts and why aren't yiz kicking up a stink about them" question had been answered, but let me try to answer the whatabouters in the hope that they'll stop repeating the same damn question and a million variations thereon:

• Because on an emotional level, Irish people feel a strong sense of empathy with the Palestinians because of the similarity of their situation to Ireland's historical situation
• Because Israel is in violation of more UN resolutions than Saddam Hussein's Iraq ever was and has been getting away with it for a whole lot longer
• Because Israel is a terrorist apartheid state that has managed, through the most efficient propaganda system I have ever seen, to convince large swathes of the western public that it is a civilized, modern, democratic state that is only acting in self defence against unprovoked attacks
• Because Israel has managed to wipe from the western consciousness the existence of about a million Palestinians living in refugee camps since the ethnic cleansing job of 1967
• Because Israel has managed to repeat the mantra over and over again that it has a "right to exist" (which is code for justifying the ethnic cleansing on which the state is built) and has a "right to defend itself" (which is code for slaughtering scores of innocent Palestinians as collective punishment for the actions of a small group of militants).
  
• Because Israel, the aggressor in this case, is propped up by Western governments, particularly the USA, and by isolating Israel in the west we might actually stand a chance of doing something about them

If that answers your question, please stop repeating it like a broken record.

Basically the same can be said for numerous African states.

[Eamonnca1]

I could have sworn the "what about all the non-Arab-Israeli conflicts and why aren't yiz kicking up a stink about them" question had been answered, but let me try to answer the whatabouters in the hope that they'll stop repeating the same damn question and a million variations thereon:

• Because on an emotional level, Irish people feel a strong sense of empathy with the Palestinians because of the similarity of their situation to Ireland's historical situation
• Because Israel is in violation of more UN resolutions than Saddam Hussein's Iraq ever was and has been getting away with it for a whole lot longer
• Because Israel is a terrorist apartheid state that has managed, through the most efficient propaganda system I have ever seen, to convince large swathes of the western public that it is a civilized, modern, democratic state that is only acting in self defence against unprovoked attacks
• Because Israel has managed to wipe from the western consciousness the existence of about a million Palestinians living in refugee camps since the ethnic cleansing job of 1967
• Because Israel has managed to repeat the mantra over and over again that it has a "right to exist" (which is code for justifying the ethnic cleansing on which the state is built) and has a "right to defend itself" (which is code for slaughtering scores of innocent Palestinians as collective punishment for the actions of a small group of militants).
  
• Because Israel, the aggressor in this case, is propped up by Western governments, particularly the USA, and by isolating Israel in the west we might actually stand a chance of doing something about them

If that answers your question, please stop repeating it like a broken record.

Basically the same can be said for numerous African states.

Which ones?

[seafoid]

I could have sworn the "what about all the non-Arab-Israeli conflicts and why aren't yiz kicking up a stink about them" question had been answered, but let me try to answer the whatabouters in the hope that they'll stop repeating the same damn question and a million variations thereon:

• Because on an emotional level, Irish people feel a strong sense of empathy with the Palestinians because of the similarity of their situation to Ireland's historical situation
• Because Israel is in violation of more UN resolutions than Saddam Hussein's Iraq ever was and has been getting away with it for a whole lot longer
• Because Israel is a terrorist apartheid state that has managed, through the most efficient propaganda system I have ever seen, to convince large swathes of the western public that it is a civilized, modern, democratic state that is only acting in self defence against unprovoked attacks
• Because Israel has managed to wipe from the western consciousness the existence of about a million Palestinians living in refugee camps since the ethnic cleansing job of 1967
• Because Israel has managed to repeat the mantra over and over again that it has a "right to exist" (which is code for justifying the ethnic cleansing on which the state is built) and has a "right to defend itself" (which is code for slaughtering scores of innocent Palestinians as collective punishment for the actions of a small group of militants).
  
• Because Israel, the aggressor in this case, is propped up by Western governments, particularly the USA, and by isolating Israel in the west we might actually stand a chance of doing something about them

If that answers your question, please stop repeating it like a broken record.

Basically the same can be said for numerous African states.

Zionism is common or garden colonialism.
Irish people don't particularly like to see people shafted because they are the wrong religion or colour.

[Franko]

I could have sworn the "what about all the non-Arab-Israeli conflicts and why aren't yiz kicking up a stink about them" question had been answered, but let me try to answer the whatabouters in the hope that they'll stop repeating the same damn question and a million variations thereon:

• Because on an emotional level, Irish people feel a strong sense of empathy with the Palestinians because of the similarity of their situation to Ireland's historical situation
• Because Israel is in violation of more UN resolutions than Saddam Hussein's Iraq ever was and has been getting away with it for a whole lot longer
• Because Israel is a terrorist apartheid state that has managed, through the most efficient propaganda system I have ever seen, to convince large swathes of the western public that it is a civilized, modern, democratic state that is only acting in self defence against unprovoked attacks
• Because Israel has managed to wipe from the western consciousness the existence of about a million Palestinians living in refugee camps since the ethnic cleansing job of 1967
• Because Israel has managed to repeat the mantra over and over again that it has a "right to exist" (which is code for justifying the ethnic cleansing on which the state is built) and has a "right to defend itself" (which is code for slaughtering scores of innocent Palestinians as collective punishment for the actions of a small group of militants).
  
• Because Israel, the aggressor in this case, is propped up by Western governments, particularly the USA, and by isolating Israel in the west we might actually stand a chance of doing something about them

If that answers your question, please stop repeating it like a broken record.

Basically the same can be said for numerous African states.

Bollocks.

[Itchy]

Rossiewanderer. I gave seafood and dixie plenty of stick on this forum but Jesus Christ you write some shite on here. If you cannot even accept what eamon wrote then you should consider reapplying to national school.

[give her dixie]

The ceasefire is over, the talks have collapsed in Cairo,  and Israel have started bombing Gaza again.

20 airstrikes in the past 15 minutes.

Rocket fire has also resumed.

Doesn't look good at this stage

[AZOffaly]

what happened first? Rocket fire or Israeli shelling?

[seafoid]

what happened first? Rocket fire or Israeli shelling?

Probably the rockets. Gaza is not going to go back to the siege. The people are sick of it and they want their rights.
Israel thinks it can terrorise them into going back to the status quo. 

Looks like Norway is going to pony up for the reconstruction whenever Israel comes to its senses. 

[seafoid]

The ongoing crisis in Israel- 200 right wing Jewish extremists turn up at the wedding of a Palestinian to an Israeli Jew
In Israel, the law forbids marriage between people of different religions.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bk1uv-LglQ

[AZOffaly]

what happened first? Rocket fire or Israeli shelling?

Probably the rockets. Gaza is not going to go back to the siege. The people are sick of it and they want their rights.
Israel thinks it can terrorise them into going back to the status quo. 

Looks like Norway is going to pony up for the reconstruction whenever Israel comes to its senses.

Not being smart, but WHY do they do that? They have a ceasefire, their people can catch their breath. They know that Israel will react like a crazed lunatic, so why do they do it? It's madness.

[muppet]

what happened first? Rocket fire or Israeli shelling?

Probably the rockets. Gaza is not going to go back to the siege. The people are sick of it and they want their rights.
Israel thinks it can terrorise them into going back to the status quo. 

Looks like Norway is going to pony up for the reconstruction whenever Israel comes to its senses.

Not being smart, but WHY do they do that? They have a ceasefire, their people can catch their breath. They know that Israel will react like a crazed lunatic, so why do they do it? It's madness.

They are throwing their own people to the lions in the hope that the world will see how bad the lions are.