The Palestine thread

[give her dixie]

Watch this now:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ66iHMCQls

Read these:  http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/dead-bodies-lie-shujayeh-streets-thousands-palestinians-flee-israeli-bombardments

And this:  http://maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=714682

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war is terrible and should be avoided at all costs

This isn't a war, its a GENOCIDE

so whats the solution?

Have Israel held to account and to abide by International law. Plus, the USA, UK, and others need to stop giving them carte blanch support to do whatever they want. Israel is out of control and has been for a long time. They need stopped as they are controlled by monsters.

[give her dixie]

Letter from Gaza by a Norwegian doctor

Dearest friends,

The last night was extreme. The "ground invasion" of Gaza resulted in scores and carloads with maimed, torn apart, bleeding, shivering, dying - all sorts of injured Palestinians, all ages, all civilians, all innocent.

The heroes in the ambulances and in all of Gaza's hospitals are working 12-24 hour shifts, grey from fatigue and inhuman workloads (without payment all in Shifa for the last 4 months), they care, triage, try to understand the incomprehensible chaos of bodies, sizes, limbs, walking, not walking, breathing, not breathing, bleeding, not bleeding humans. HUMANS!

Now, once more treated like animals by "the most moral army in the world" (sic!).

My respect for the wounded is endless, in their contained determination in the midst of pain, agony and shock; my admiration for the staff and volunteers is endless, my closeness to the Palestinian "sumud" gives me strength, although in glimpses I just want to scream, hold someone tight, cry, smell the skin and hair of the warm child, covered in blood, protect ourselves in an endless embrace - but we cannot afford that, nor can they.

Ashy grey faces - Oh NO! Not one more load of tens of maimed and bleeding, we still have lakes of blood on the floor in the ER, piles of dripping, blood-soaked bandages to clear out - oh - the cleaners, everywhere, swiftly shovelling the blood and discarded tissues, hair, clothes,cannulas - the leftovers from death - all taken away ... to be prepared again, to be repeated all over. More then 100 cases came to Shifa in the last 24 hrs. Enough for a large well trained hospital with everything, but here - almost nothing: no electricity, water, disposables, drugs, OR-tables, instruments, monitors - all rusted and as if taken from museums of yesterday's hospitals. But they do not complain, these heroes. They get on with it, like warriors, head on, enormously resolute.

And as I write these words to you, alone, on a bed, my tears flow, the warm but useless tears of pain and grief, of anger and fear. This is not happening!

An then, just now, the orchestra of the Israeli war-machine starts its gruesome symphony again, just now: salvos of artillery from the navy boats just down on the shores, the roaring F16, the sickening drones (Arabic 'Zennanis', the hummers), and the cluttering Apaches. So much made in and paid by the US.

Mr. Obama - do you have a heart?

I invite you - spend one night - just one night - with us in Shifa. Disguised as a cleaner, maybe.

I am convinced, 100%, it would change history.

Nobody with a heart AND power could ever walk away from a night in Shifa without being determined to end the slaughter of the Palestinian people.

But the heartless and merciless have done their calculations and planned another "dahyia" onslaught on Gaza.

The rivers of blood will keep running the coming night. I can hear they have tuned their instruments of death.

Please. Do what you can. This, THIS cannot continue.

Mads Gilbert MD PhD

Professor and Clinical Head

Clinic of Emergency Medicine

University Hospital of North Norway

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/12920-letter-from-gaza-by-a-norwegian-doctor

[whitey]

Watch this now:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ66iHMCQls

Read these:  http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/dead-bodies-lie-shujayeh-streets-thousands-palestinians-flee-israeli-bombardments

And this:  http://maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=714682

Live stream http://www.ustream.tv/channel/jehadels

war is terrible and should be avoided at all costs

This isn't a war, its a GENOCIDE

so whats the solution?

Have Israel held to account and to abide by International law. Plus, the USA, UK, and others need to stop giving them carte blanch support to do whatever they want. Israel is out of control and has been for a long time. They need stopped as they are controlled by monsters.

Thats not unreasonable...so the logical follow up question is .....what standards would you hold Hamas and their surrogates to?

[give her dixie]

Watch this now:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ66iHMCQls

Read these:  http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/dead-bodies-lie-shujayeh-streets-thousands-palestinians-flee-israeli-bombardments

And this:  http://maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=714682

Live stream http://www.ustream.tv/channel/jehadels

war is terrible and should be avoided at all costs

This isn't a war, its a GENOCIDE

so whats the solution?

Have Israel held to account and to abide by International law. Plus, the USA, UK, and others need to stop giving them carte blanch support to do whatever they want. Israel is out of control and has been for a long time. They need stopped as they are controlled by monsters.

Thats not unreasonable...so the logical follow up question is .....what standards would you hold Hamas and their surrogates to?

They too need to abide by the same laws. No one is above the law.

[give her dixie]

What does Hamas really want?

Read the list of conditions published in the name of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, and judge honestly whether there is one unjust demand among them.

After we've said everything there is to say about Hamas: that it's fundamentalist; that it's undemocratic; that it's cruel; that it does not recognize Israel; that it fires on civilians; that it's hiding ammunition in schools and hospitals; that it did not act to protect the population of Gaza – after all that has been said, and rightly so, we should stop for a moment and listen to Hamas; we may even be permitted to put ourselves in its shoes, perhaps even to appreciate the daring and resilience of this, our bitter enemy, under harsh conditions.

But Israel prefers to shut its ears to the demands of the other side, even when those demands are right and conform to Israel's own interests in the long run. Israel prefers to strike Hamas without mercy and with no purpose other than revenge. This time it is particularly clear: Israel says it does not want to topple Hamas – even Israel understands that instead it will have Somalia at its gates – but it is also unwilling to listen to Hamas' demands. Are they all "animals"? Let's say that's true. But they are there to stay, even Israel believes that's the case, so why not listen?

Last week 10 conditions were published in the name of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, for a 10-year cease-fire. We may doubt whether these were in fact the demands of those organizations, but they can serve as a fair basis for an agreement. There is not one unfounded condition among them.

Hamas and Islamic Jihad demand freedom for Gaza. Is there a more understandable and just demand? There is no way to end the current cycle of killing, and not have another round in a few months, without accepting this. No military operation, by air, ground or sea, will bring a solution; only a basic change of attitude toward Gaza can ensure what everyone wants: quiet.

Read the list of demands and judge honestly whether there is one unjust demand among them: withdrawal of Israel Defense Forces troops and allowing farmers to work their land up to the fence; release of all prisoners from the Gilad Shalit swap who have been rearrested; an end to the siege and opening of the crossings; opening of a port and airport under UN management; expansion of the fishing zone; international supervision of the Rafah crossing; an Israeli pledge to a 10-year cease-fire and closure of Gaza's air space to Israeli aircraft; permits to Gaza residents to visit Jerusalem and pray at the Al-Aqsa mosque; and an Israeli pledge not to interfere in internal Palestinian politics such as the unity government; opening Gaza's industrial zone.

These conditions are civilian; the means of achieving them are military, violent and criminal. But the (bitter) truth is that when Gaza is not firing rockets at Israel, nobody cares about it. Look at the fate of the Palestinian leader who had had enough of violence. Israel did everything it could to destroy Mahmoud Abbas. The depressing conclusion? Only force works.

The current war is a war of choice, a choice that we had. True, after Hamas started firing rockets, Israel had to respond. But as opposed to what Israeli propaganda tries to sell, the rockets didn't fall out of the sky from nowhere. Go back a few months: the breakdown of negotiations by Israel; the war on Hamas in the West Bank following the murder of the three yeshiva students, which it is doubtful Hamas planned, including the false arrest of 500 of its activists; stopping payment of salaries to Hamas workers in Gaza and Israeli opposition to the unity government, which might have brought the organization into the political sphere. Anyone who thinks all this would simply be taken in stride must be suffering from arrogance, complacence and blindness.

Terrifying amounts of blood are being spilled in Gaza – and in Israel to a lesser extent. It is being spilled in vain. Hamas is beaten down by Israel and humiliated by Egypt. The only chance for a real solution is exactly the opposite of the way Israel is going. A port in Gaza to export its excellent strawberries? To Israelis this sounds like heresy. Here once again, the preference is for (Palestinian) blood over (Palestinian) strawberries.

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.606042

[give her dixie]

The Ministry of Health in Gaza reports the following statistics as at 1600 hours on Sunday July 20, 2014.
Deaths: 425 – 112 children, 41 women 18-60 years, 25 persons over 60 years
Injuries: 3,008 – 904 children, 533 women 18-60 years, 119 over 60 years.
ICU: 104 patients

[give her dixie]

This is another link for a live stream from Gaza:

http://www.aa.com.tr/live1/gaza-live.html

[Mike Sheehy]

Watch this now:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ66iHMCQls

Read these:  http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/dead-bodies-lie-shujayeh-streets-thousands-palestinians-flee-israeli-bombardments

And this:  http://maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=714682

Live stream http://www.ustream.tv/channel/jehadels

war is terrible and should be avoided at all costs

This isn't a war, its a GENOCIDE

so whats the solution?

Have Israel held to account and to abide by International law. Plus, the USA, UK, and others need to stop giving them carte blanch support to do whatever they want. Israel is out of control and has been for a long time. They need stopped as they are controlled by monsters.

Thats not unreasonable...so the logical follow up question is .....what standards would you hold Hamas and their surrogates to?

They too need to abide by the same laws. No one is above the law.

Who is going to enforce these laws ?

[blewuporstuffed]

Family members staying together in one room to ensure nobody is left behind if the Israelis shell the building.
The level of hatred Israel has for Gaza is infathomable.

unreal

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing

[give her dixie]

Family members staying together in one room to ensure nobody is left behind if the Israelis shell the building.
The level of hatred Israel has for Gaza is infathomable.

unreal

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing

That is the tip of the iceberg. The comments they are coming out with on social media is beyond the pale. They are enjoying this genocide like it was a spot. Maybe that is what this is.....

I am blocking people flat out on my facebook and twitter sites. The vile replies I get to reporting on deaths is way beyond any sense of respect for humanity

[give her dixie]

This is a good article about how they employ people to spread their lies

http://thehigherlearning.com/2014/07/11/israels-government-is-paying-college-students-to-spread-pro-israel-propaganda-on-social-media/

[seafoid]

Family members staying together in one room to ensure nobody is left behind if the Israelis shell the building.
The level of hatred Israel has for Gaza is infathomable.

unreal

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing

That is the tip of the iceberg. The comments they are coming out with on social media is beyond the pale. They are enjoying this genocide like it was a spot. Maybe that is what this is.....

I am blocking people flat out on my facebook and twitter sites. The vile replies I get to reporting on deaths is way beyond any sense of respect for humanity

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/07/plos-hanan-ashrawi-deliberate-massacre-in-gaza/

[rossiewanderer]

Hamas use woman and children as human shields.The civilian death toll they are engineering is
part of a grotesque tactical play to garner international intervention(which will never happen) and to provoke a reaction from the murderously out of control Muslim world.
  Hamas have the blood of their own people on their hands.

  Israel has the right to defend herself.

[seafoid]

Hamas use woman and children as human shields.The civilian death toll they are engineering is
part of a grotesque tactical play to garner international intervention(which will never happen) and to provoke a reaction from the murderously out of control Muslim world.
  Hamas have the blood of their own people on their hands.

  Israel has the right to defend herself.

Not disproportionately. Even Cameron has told them as much.
Israel is a small country that depends on international trade to support a fairly high standard of living.
It's not worth endangering that.

[muppet]

Israel has the right to defend herself.

Only the intellectually challenged could think this is a valid argument for genocide.

Please dig deeper than Fox News for an angle.