Things that make you go .....Hmmm, that's interesting.

[Milltown Row2]

Didn't realise there was so many people that supported the hunting of animals for pleasure and then use eating meat as an excuse!


So dumb f**kers about

[quit yo jibbajabba]

If I have read this right, killing pigs, cows, chickens, etc. Is OK as long as we don't enjoy their deaths. Killing a fox is wrong if we get some form of pleasure from the hunt. All these animals die to satisfy one or other human desire.
Only an a*sehole would condemn a fox hunter while eating a burger, drumstick or sausage roll.

That's quite the take

[ONeill]

All to do with your moral stance against avoidable suffering.

Can see both sides.

[Truthsayer]

If I have read this right, killing pigs, cows, chickens, etc. Is OK as long as we don't enjoy their deaths. Killing a fox is wrong if we get some form of pleasure from the hunt. All these animals die to satisfy one or other human desire.
Only an a*sehole would condemn a fox hunter while eating a burger, drumstick or sausage roll.

Anyone equates getting on a horse to chase a fox through fields with dogs that will tear it to pieces with eating a drum stick needs their head felt.

[gallsman]

Not sure too many of the previously undeclared gaaboard fox hunting supporters group are the equestrian types with the red coats and helmets. I imagine it's much more lads into hunting with ferrets and the like and see no issue with dog fighting.

[Armagh18]

You do realise how rare it is that'll you'll actually catch a fox when out hinting with hounds? The chances of getting a young healthy one are basically nil.

[tonto1888]

Speaking of animal cruelty .....

On Thursday, we'll all sit up and feast on  Our turkey and ham Christmas dinner,  curtesy of  a  dead bird and a dead pig.

I have to say, the Phoebe Buffay Christmas greeting line  "happy needless turkey murder day"  has been gnawing at me  this year,  for the first time

But, herself has  the turkey and ham ordered , so I suppose I'll have to eat it , but I'm not  entirely happy about it.  As  Joey Tribbiani said , if turkeys weren't so "stupid, ugly... and delicious ", I would consider going vegetarian

I think I watch  too much Friends

If you can't understand the difference between food and chasing a terrified animal for miles for a sick thrill then that's on you.

Do fox hunters enjoy the suffering? Is that part of it?

I know the difference, but  turkeys and pigs (and others) are still killed for  us to eat. How? I'm not so sure , gassed,  shot in the head , throats cut... I'm not sure. Maybe that's the problem, that we're so far removed from  the food supply that essentially the word "turkey" or "lamb" is just that. A word. With no connection to  an animal that's been put to death , so just we can eat  it.

They day animals heading to the  abbatoir can smell and sense their impending doom from far off. I've heard it say that if you worked in  in one , and witnessed  this , you'd never eat meat again.

like I said , it's the first year I've  had these thoughts , just thought I'd share.

anyway, back to the topic........

Fair enough but I don't see anyone at any point doing any of the above for fun or 'great craic'. Nor do I see anyone eating the fox.

As a matter of fact, if any of the workers you mentioned above got any pleasure out of the slaughter of animals, you'd think there was something wrong with them. And you'd be right.

Maybe if the workers wore red jackets, had little horns, chased the pigs and turkeys for miles over fields, dug them out of a hole, had a swig of rum from a hip flask, then cut their throats, it would make it all a bit more agreeable and good fun? That's a question for the Armagh lad not you.

Do you really feel fox hunting is any more cruel than the death nature selects for the foxes? A slow, painful death whilst riddled with tumours, lingering on in a state of emaciation burdened with flesh eating parasites, dying of exposure in the corner of an open field or wood or bleeding to death slowly in a state of excruciating pain due to being hit by a car?

Do you expect the foxes not killed during the hunt slip away in their sleep whilst tucked up in a cosy foxhole?

None of the above are deliberate acts undertaken for the pleasure and delight of humans of a cruel disposition.

and some of what hes describing can be applied to humans too. Shall we just hunt them for miles through fields also?

[tonto1888]

You do realise how rare it is that'll you'll actually catch a fox when out hinting with hounds? The chances of getting a young healthy one are basically nil.

ah, that makes it perfectly ok then............

[trileacman]

All to do with your moral stance against avoidable suffering.

Can see both sides.

My take on it too, never been to a fox hunt, never even ran into one either which is odd given how easy they'd be to spot. From what I've read though the chances of them catching a fox seem pretty slim. They're only allowed access to land where they've permission and have to keep the dogs away from livestock. So if a fox enters land they've no permission for or enters a field of sheep or cattle the hunts over.

Trail hunting seems to be used most regularly to make full use of the days riding and if I'm honest I don't see why the hunt association don't just make a rule themselves that they've to stick to trail-hunting. It seems the obvious solution to keep people off their backs. Nearly all hunts folk are out for the riding experience, to characterise them as a crowd of people who gather round and cheer as a fox is pulled to pieces by hounds is unfair. But if they would just stick to trail hunting it would seem to solve a lot of the issues. The league against Animal cruelty in England suggested that last year 230 illegal fox hunts took place, of which 19 fox's were suspected of being killed. Whilst not good for the 19 foxes it's still a small percentage. Anyway my solution would be for the associations themselves to rely solely on trail hunting which would appear to be both less cruel and more enjoyable for the rider.

There's also a heavy degree of prejudice involved in the argument against hunting where the type of clothes they wear or the fact that hunting used to be associated with the gentry gets thrown at them. I don't see why this should get thrown at them. Most of the worlds soccer and rugby clubs were founded by Toffs and gentlemen yet don't receive the same amount of vilification as the hunts-folk do. In fact your much much more likely to find a multi-millionaire in the crowd of a PL match than at a country hunt.

[Milltown Row2]

I'm amazed that in 2025 that there are people still defending it, then using mental gymnastics to get find an analogy to defend it..

If you want to go chasing something through the forest or trails then use your imagination or round up child killers or paedo's  Though that may offend some..

[Mourne Red]

If I have read this right, killing pigs, cows, chickens, etc. Is OK as long as we don't enjoy their deaths. Killing a fox is wrong if we get some form of pleasure from the hunt. All these animals die to satisfy one or other human desire.
Only an a*sehole would condemn a fox hunter while eating a burger, drumstick or sausage roll.

Put down the Sherry sir you've had too much

[Windmill abu]

If I have read this right, killing pigs, cows, chickens, etc. Is OK as long as we don't enjoy their deaths. Killing a fox is wrong if we get some form of pleasure from the hunt. All these animals die to satisfy one or other human desire.
Only an a*sehole would condemn a fox hunter while eating a burger, drumstick or sausage roll.

Put down the Sherry sir you've had too much

Haven't had any sherry. But I'm not going to be a hypocrite and condemn fox hunting while enjoying eating  other animals. (I do enjoy eating them BTW)

[Rossfan]

Who eats fox meat?

[AustinPowers]

Who eats fox meat?

We all could be.

Some  of us were unknowingly  eating horsemeat a few years ago.

[Armagh18]

Who eats fox meat?

We all could be.

Some  of us were unknowingly  eating horsemeat a few years ago.

And not a thing wrong with it! Likely better than most beef