Christian church attacked in Israel

[seafoid]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/another-israeli-church-defaced-with-price-tag-graffiti.premium-1.467930#

Another Israeli church defaced with 'price tag' graffiti
Graffiti reading 'Jesus, son of a bitch, price tag,' was found on the door of the Church of the Dormition on Mount Zion, just outside the walls of Jerusalem's Old City.

By Oz Rosenberg and Nir Hasson | Oct.03, 2012 | 7:07 AM
   

ABy Nir Hasson | Oct.03,2012 | 7:07 AM |  51


Less than a month after a monastery at Latrun was vandalized with "price tag" graffiti, similar graffiti was found Tuesday morning on the door of the Church of the Dormition on Mount Zion, just outside the walls of Jerusalem's Old City.
The graffiti, which read "Jesus, son of a bitch, price tag," had already been removed by midmorning Tuesday, Israel Police spokesman Mickey Rosenfeld said.

Jerusalem Police Chief Maj. Gen. Yossi Pariente yesterday ordered the formation of a special investigative team to locate the perpetrators. No one has yet been arrested for last month's vandalism.
Jewish extremists are thought to have carried out similar vandalism on churches, mosques and army property in response to what they consider pro-Palestinian government policies. The Latrun vandalism occurred shortly after settlers were evicted from the illegal outpost of Migron.

The Dormition Church, built over a century ago near the site of the Last Supper, is one of the Franciscan order's most important holdings in the Holy Land. Though Israel has only about 155,000 Christian citizens, less than 2 percent of its 7.9 million people, the repeated defacing of their sacred sites has shocked the country and drawn official condemnation.
"Price tag actions contradict the morals and values of Judaism and do great harm to the State of Israel," said President Shimon Peres, speaking at a meeting with one of Israel's chief rabbis at a Sukkot reception yesterday. "It is forbidden to harm the holy sites of [other] religions and faiths."

Church officials have said mere condemnation is not enough. In an interview with Haaretz a few weeks ago, one of the Vatican's top officials in the Holy Land, the Rev. Pierbattista Pizzaballa, sharply condemned what he termed Israelis' derogatory attitude toward Christians.
"When you say 'Christianity' to Israelis they immediately think of the Holocaust and the [Spanish] Inquisition," he said. "People don't know that we are here and have roots here."
He said this attitude seems to be prevalent in Israeli society, noting that priests are often spat on by yeshiva students, and that National Union MK Michael Ben-Ari had torn up a New Testament in the Knesset.
"If you as a Jew want people to respect you, you need to respect others," Pizzaballa said.

[Hardy]

That's a new interpretation of the word "attacked", seafoid.

What's the "price tag" phrase about?

[seafoid]

That's a new interpretation of the word "attacked", seafoid.

What's the "price tag" phrase about?

"Price tag" means there is a price to pay for shutting down settlements in the West Bank.
It is not very Christian.

[Ulick]

They've shut down settlements in the West Bank?

[seafoid]

"Outposts" of settlements. Basically caravan parks of settlers on new land seized from Palestinians.

Every clearance by the authorities is followed by a "price tag" attack on either the Palestinians or the Church . 


http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/graffiti-reading-price-tag-migron-found-on-mosque-near-hebron-1.464495

"Price tag" attacks are usually carried out by West Bank settlers and their supporters against Palestinian targets, often in retaliation for moves against settlements. Migron is the name of a West Bank outpost that was recently evacuated.

Last week, the door of a Christian monastery in Latrun, near Jerusalem, was set on fire, and anti-Christian slogans were found spray-painted on the monastery's walls. The arson and graffiti were suspected to be a "price tag" attack following the recent evacuation of Migron. Monks residing at the monastery noticed the burning door on Tuesday morning, and called police after extinguishing the flames. Graffiti sprayed on the monastery walls included the words "Migron," and "Jesus is a monkey."

[Rossfan]

Careful Seafoid or you'll have our usual American right wing suspects shouting " anti Semitism".
Until the Israeli State ( and their US puppet masters) stand up to the ( manily American ) Zionist extremist land grabbers there will never be a chance of a peaceful settlement or agreement.

[give her dixie]

The only peace Israel wants is the piece of land called Palestine

[give her dixie]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-israel-evangelical-20121001,0,6110978.story

Daystar, TBN ready for Messiah in Jerusalem

If the Messiah descends from the Mount of Olives as foretold in the Bible, America's two biggest Christian broadcasters are well-positioned to cover it live thanks to recent acquisitions of adjacent Jerusalem studios on a hill overlooking the Old City.

Texas-based Daystar Television Network already beams a 24-hour-a-day live webcam from its terrace. Not to be outdone, Costa Mesa-based Trinity Broadcasting Network last month bought the building next door.

The dueling studios are part of an aggressive push by U.S. evangelical broadcasters seeking to gain a stronger foothold in the holy city. Their presence not only offers boasting rights with American viewers and contributors, but also — and more controversially — a platform for spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ to Jews in Israel.

In addition to its new multistory building, TBN is negotiating with Israel's Yes satellite television provider to secure a full-time home for its evangelical Shalom TV channel.

Daystar already airs its English-language programming in Israel with dedicated channels on both Yes and cable provider HOT Telecommunications Systems, claiming to be the first Christian evangelical broadcaster to transmit a gospel message to Israeli television sets 24 hours a day.

"The main thing we want to do is help sponsor what we call Messianic Jews, or Jews that have received Jesus Christ as their Messiah," said TBN co-founder Paul Crouch, who recently wrapped up a tour of Israel with 1,800 TBN supporters, most of them from America. "We want to do some Hebrew language programs to reach out to Jews and entice them to read the word of God and become what we call a completed Jew."

Such proselytizing angers Orthodox Jewish groups who say it threatens the character of a nation that was created as a home for Jewish refugees of the Holocaust. Christian proselytizing is legal in Israel, though the government has at times restricted and discouraged the practice; members of the Jewish faith do not seek to convert those of other faiths.

"One of the things I find offensive is that they are bragging about their missionary work," said Ellen Horowitz, research director at Jewish Israel, a grass-roots group created in 2008 to track and counteract Christian missionaries in Israel. "They're actually very in-your-face about it."

Horowitz said proselytizing is a touchy subject in Israel. "Our people have been through the wringer already with either persecution or assimilation," she said. "Now people finally get to a Jewish nation and someone pushes a copy of the New Testament in Hebrew at them. A sensitive line is being crossed."

When Daystar debuted in Israel in 2006, it created such a public uproar that the channel was temporarily suspended from the HOT network. It was restored after a court challenge.

Since then, Christian evangelical groups have quietly and steadily expanded their footprint in Jerusalem.

Last spring, evangelist organizer Mike Evans began soliciting donations from U.S. supporters for his $10-million purchase of a prime commercial building in Jerusalem's city center, where he plans to open a facility devoted to Christian evangelism.

In July, American missionary Rick Ridings, a nephew of Paul Crouch who operates a walk-in prayer center near Mt. Zion, hosted several hundred Israeli youths at a three-day gospel music and prayer festival in Tel Aviv.

Crouch said TBN, whose recently purchased building houses the Los Angeles Times Jerusalem bureau, is striving to promote Christianity in Israel, where the faith is sometimes overshadowed by the struggle between Judaism and Islam. Trinity Broadcasting already is one of the world's largest religious broadcasters, with 18 networks in seven languages.

"Christianity is not represented in Israel as well as it could," he said. "We hope to equalize that and give Christianity a better platform."

The latest inroads by evangelical Christians have not triggered the backlash that occurred in 2006 when Daystar went on the air. In fact, Crouch said TBN's biggest obstacle in Jerusalem so far is rival Daystar, which he said tried to block TBN's Shalom Channel from airing on Yes satellite.

"They raised a stink," Crouch said. "I guess some of our Christian brothers don't want the competition."

A Yes spokeswoman said negotiations with TBN are ongoing and a final deal has not been reached. Daystar officials declined to comment, but said in a statement that the company "loves and appreciates Israel."

Some Israelis are welcoming members of the American evangelical community as strategic partners, both politically and economically.

In addition to becoming the fastest-growing segment of Israel's tourism market, U.S. evangelicals tend to be staunchly pro-Israel, lobbying in Washington on the Israeli government's behalf on such matters as the Palestinian conflict or West Bank settlement construction.

Christian broadcasters have donated tens of millions of dollars in recent years to build Israeli schools, community centers, hospital wards and even synagogues. Part of the support is based upon their belief that the return of the Jewish people to Israel will usher in the second coming of Jesus.

Christian groups have forged close ties with Russian-born lawmakers in the parliament, or Knesset, and recently helped push through a law that extended property tax exemptions once available only to Jewish religious institutions to those owned by Christian congregations.

"They are much more sophisticated and calculated than they were before," Horowitz said. "With all the millions of dollars they are giving, it's harder for the government to say no."

Her group said the number of evangelical Christian congregations in Israel has grown to 150 with as many as 20,000 followers, up from an estimated 3,000 in 1987, based on estimates from the congregations.

Christian broadcasters boast to their viewers that they are seeing a record number of Jews convert to Christianity. "The harvest is coming in so fast," Crouch said.

Much of the growth is coming from the 1 million Russian immigrants who arrived in Israel during the 1990s. Many of the immigrants were never considered Jewish by Orthodox rabbis or had practiced Christianity in Russia.

"They see Russians as a way to get a foothold in Israel and create a Christian revival here," Horowitz said. "We don't have anything against Christians. But the Jewish people have to watch their backside to make sure this evangelical embrace does not become a hold that we can't get out of."

[seafoid]

Based on the Old Testament God is more likely to smite His people for turning away from Him (again, FFS) than to send down the Messiah.

Most of the Christian fundis who are waiting for Jesus to touch down expect him to forcibly convert all the Jews to Christianity or else have them perish as outlined in the book of Revelations . It is all a big mess, really.

[stew]

Based on the Old Testament God is more likely to smite His people for turning away from Him (again, FFS) than to send down the Messiah.

Most of the Christian fundis who are waiting for Jesus to touch down expect him to forcibly convert all the Jews to Christianity or else have them perish as outlined in the book of Revelations . It is all a big mess, really.

That is as ignorant a post as there ever has been posted on this board.

Not one Christian expects Jesus to "touch down" and forcibly convert all the Jews to Christianity" last time I checked Jesus himself was a Jew!

The Bible tells us there are 144,000 Jewish people are to be saved, 12 large from each tribe of Israel.

There is no mess, God wins, end of. 

[seafoid]

Based on the Old Testament God is more likely to smite His people for turning away from Him (again, FFS) than to send down the Messiah.

Most of the Christian fundis who are waiting for Jesus to touch down expect him to forcibly convert all the Jews to Christianity or else have them perish as outlined in the book of Revelations . It is all a big mess, really.

That is as ignorant a post as there ever has been posted on this board.

Not one Christian expects Jesus to "touch down" and forcibly convert all the Jews to Christianity" last time I checked Jesus himself was a Jew!

The Bible tells us there are 144,000 Jewish people are to be saved, 12 large from each tribe of Israel.

There is no mess, God wins, end of. 

And what happens to the ones that are not hoovered up, Stew? The say 14 million less 144,000 ?

[stew]

Based on the Old Testament God is more likely to smite His people for turning away from Him (again, FFS) than to send down the Messiah.

Most of the Christian fundis who are waiting for Jesus to touch down expect him to forcibly convert all the Jews to Christianity or else have them perish as outlined in the book of Revelations . It is all a big mess, really.

That is as ignorant a post as there ever has been posted on this board.

Not one Christian expects Jesus to "touch down" and forcibly convert all the Jews to Christianity" last time I checked Jesus himself was a Jew!

The Bible tells us there are 144,000 Jewish people are to be saved, 12 large from each tribe of Israel.

There is no mess, God wins, end of. 

And what happens to the ones that are not hoovered up, Stew? The say 14 million less 144,000 ?

No one gets hoovered up, don't be obtuse!

People have a choice, they either believe in Christ or they don't, according to the Bible, if the 14 mil minus the 144,000 choose to ignore Jesus they choose to go to the dark side, again according to the Bible.