Palestinian footballer, Mahmoud Sarsak, released after 3 years in an Israel jail

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fitzroyalty

#75
October 06, 2012, 01:00:48 AM
Better way of putting it is 'revered' ex-Israeli army man (folk hero?) And the whether he was on conscription or not doesn't matter - still IDF.

Mentalman

#76
October 06, 2012, 01:20:08 AM
Well I honestly don't know if he's revered, I do recall lots of Israelis didn't want a single prisoner swapped for him, never mind the hundreds that were. Also, I don't know how he's handled himself since (thought he was sued for plageurising a children's book published during his captivity???). How much of a folk hero can you be for being captured and held hostage? It's likely only for his family's efforts to bring his case he would have been disposed of by his captors. Anyway, as for the IDF thing, we'll have to agree to disagree, I do differentiate between those who volunteer for service and those compelled.
"Mr Treehorn treats objects like women man."

dillinger

#77
October 06, 2012, 01:25:44 AM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on October 06, 2012, 01:00:48 AM
Better way of putting it is 'revered' ex-Israeli army man (folk hero?) And the whether he was on conscription or not doesn't matter - still IDF.
What do you suggest he should have done when his country called him up for military service?
Refused?

stew

#78
October 06, 2012, 03:06:21 AM
Quote from: dillinger on October 05, 2012, 11:27:12 PM
Can't think Barca will miss him.

So he won't go because an Israeli is going? Though the Israeli will go if he is there?

Puts him down for a bigot imo.

Best post ever imho on political threads on here.
Armagh, the one true love of a mans life.

stew

#79
October 06, 2012, 03:18:07 AM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on October 06, 2012, 12:19:51 AM
Quote from: Mentalman on October 06, 2012, 12:16:48 AM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on October 05, 2012, 11:59:27 PM
A former high-ranking Israeli military man actually.

Hold on, let's be fair, he was a corporal when he was captured, he was promoted to sergeant in captivity, in no army in the world is that high ranking, irrespective of what people might think of the IDF.
His rank is actually irrelevant. The fact he was in the IDF is enough.

Aha, the mental man states he is a "high ranking Israeli military man actually"

The Israeli military have decided that the rank of Corporal is higher than that of General.........................that is according to Fitzy on here. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Armagh, the one true love of a mans life.

seafoid

#80
October 06, 2012, 08:39:16 AM
Sarsak is right to refuse to appear with shalit. Israel is losing the pr war and getting more and more hysterical. The 2 state solution is dead. There is no peace process. Israelis now talk openly about ethnic cleansing. Would bobby sands have appeared with norman tebbit at chelsea in 1980?

give her dixie

#81
October 06, 2012, 08:57:26 AM
Since his release, Shalit has been a bit of a poster boy for Israel and they have been sending him to various high profile sporting events. The NBA finals last year is one such event where he ended up in the winners changing rooms afterwards!

Sarsak is totally correct in not attending, and becoming a pawn in a "normalisation" of the occupation and oppression of the Palestinians. Barcelona fell into the trap laid out for them by Israel by agreeing to have Shalit attend, and when they came under severe pressure from fans at home and worldwide they then invited Sarsak. To refuse the invitation for Shalit would have played straight into the Israeli's hands whereby they could scream "Anti Semitism".

Hamas were right in capturing Shalit, as under international law he was a POW. He was treated very well during his captivity, a point he made himself. The same can't be said for the thousands of Palestinians rotting away in Israeli prisons. On top of that, his father Noam said that if he were a Palestinian, he too would have captured an IDF soldier.

The reality is that the world at large has woken up to the horrible suffering the Palestinians have endured for over 60 years, however, the main problem is the support and green light to carry on with their genocide and ethnic cleansing by the US. $3 billion a year and a free trade agreement is a serious whack of change, plus full protection from sanctions by the UN for their crimes due to the veto by the US.

Perhaps when people complain about the few dollars spent on healthcare etc on the undocumented workers in the US, they would shout out about their tax dollars been spent on a rogue state who murder and steal land on a daily basis.
next stop, September 10, for number 4......

thebigfella

#82
October 06, 2012, 09:10:53 AM
They should have thrown in dinner for Sarsak with the match tickets..... Maybe that would have persuaded him.

seafoid

#83
October 06, 2012, 09:13:09 AM
Quote from: thebigfella on October 06, 2012, 09:10:53 AM
They should have thrown in dinner for Sarsak with the match tickets..... Maybe that would have persuaded him.
Those Bobby Sands jokes are really hilarious

theticklemister

#84
October 06, 2012, 09:35:16 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 06, 2012, 09:13:09 AM
Quote from: thebigfella on October 06, 2012, 09:10:53 AM
They should have thrown in dinner for Sarsak with the match tickets..... Maybe that would have persuaded him.
Those Bobby Sands jokes are really hilarious

It is the unthoughtfulness that gets me

thebigfella

#85
October 06, 2012, 09:49:04 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 06, 2012, 09:13:09 AM
Quote from: thebigfella on October 06, 2012, 09:10:53 AM
They should have thrown in dinner for Sarsak with the match tickets..... Maybe that would have persuaded him.
Those Bobby Sands jokes are really hilarious

Where did I mention bobby sands? Fcukwit  ::) ::)

thebigfella

#86
October 06, 2012, 09:58:43 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on October 06, 2012, 09:35:16 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 06, 2012, 09:13:09 AM
Quote from: thebigfella on October 06, 2012, 09:10:53 AM
They should have thrown in dinner for Sarsak with the match tickets..... Maybe that would have persuaded him.
Those Bobby Sands jokes are really hilarious

It is the unthoughtfulness that gets me

It's the faux outrage that gets me....

seafoid

#87
October 06, 2012, 10:01:31 AM
They were making the same jokes about Bobby Sands in Ballymena in 1981, bigfella.
It's just ignorance. Would you joke about the Holocaust? Of course not.

fitzroyalty

#88
October 06, 2012, 10:07:44 AM
Quote from: stew on October 06, 2012, 03:18:07 AM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on October 06, 2012, 12:19:51 AM
Quote from: Mentalman on October 06, 2012, 12:16:48 AM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on October 05, 2012, 11:59:27 PM
A former high-ranking Israeli military man actually.

Hold on, let's be fair, he was a corporal when he was captured, he was promoted to sergeant in captivity, in no army in the world is that high ranking, irrespective of what people might think of the IDF.
His rank is actually irrelevant. The fact he was in the IDF is enough.

Aha, the mental man states he is a "high ranking Israeli military man actually"

The Israeli military have decided that the rank of Corporal is higher than that of General.........................that is according to Fitzy on here. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Ah, the US/Israel cheerleader. How many innocent people pesky terrorists will be murdered today by your adopted country today do you think?

thebigfella

#89
October 06, 2012, 10:11:57 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 06, 2012, 10:01:31 AM
They were making the same jokes about Bobby Sands in Ballymena in 1981, bigfella.
It's just ignorance. Would you joke about the Holocaust? Of course not.

Yep that's right..... Still point out where I mentioned bobby sands? and IMO comparing what happened to Sarsak to the holocaust doesn't do much for your argument or proving you have t he slightest bit of intelligence. Your link to Sands in tenuous. Keep trying  ::) ::)
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