All Ireland Club Senior Semi-Finals

[Applesisapples]

I'm pretty sure you miss the next game, regardless if it falls outside of the suspension time window.

I think thats only in the national league, so should be a month if it sticks.

If any appeal is unsuccessful he misses the final. The rule is if there are no games within the time frame of the suspension then you automatically miss the nest game after the time suspension is up. So even though a 4 week ban would be up on 16th he still would miss the Final as it is the next game in the competition.

I think you are wrong there, from some club suspensions we've had recently...It's still experimental for the NL. Was never a red anyway...Coldrick was crap as usual. If He and McQuillan are the best we can muster heavan help us.

[Armaghgeddon]

Oisin McConville, like Gooch, MF Russell, Mickey Linden, Joe Brolly and Peter Canavan was and is a formidable footballer and a special talent who unlike some of the afore mentioned hasn't faded from the scene. You can't gauge a player by his medal haul. Oisin still has it.

I agree that it dosen't gauge a player but on the otherhand it is also difficult to overlook a players medal haul. All you hae to do is watch Oisin and you can see that he oozes pure class and he should rightly be mentioned along side some of the so called greats.

[brokencrossbar1]

I'm pretty sure you miss the next game, regardless if it falls outside of the suspension time window.

I think thats only in the national league, so should be a month if it sticks.

If any appeal is unsuccessful he misses the final. The rule is if there are no games within the time frame of the suspension then you automatically miss the nest game after the time suspension is up. So even though a 4 week ban would be up on 16th he still would miss the Final as it is the next game in the competition.

I think you are wrong there, from some club suspensions we've had recently...It's still experimental for the NL. Was never a red anyway...Coldrick was crap as usual. If He and McQuillan are the best we can muster heavan help us.

What is being done in NL has no bearing on any suspensions SK may get. What I have quoted is the common practice that has been in place for a number of years now. Under current regulations for all club suspensions based on a time frame you have to serve at least a 1 game ban to ensure that your sending off has a punitive effect in the event that no game is played  under the old system you could effectively get sent off in a game in say November and not miss any games as December and January were closed months for official games and then play in the AI semi in February because your 4 weeks were up and you would have missed no games. I know this as it happened to me. The rule was changed to prevent something like this happening.

[Applesisapples]

Oisin McConville, like Gooch, MF Russell, Mickey Linden, Joe Brolly and Peter Canavan was and is a formidable footballer and a special talent who unlike some of the afore mentioned hasn't faded from the scene. You can't gauge a player by his medal haul. Oisin still has it.

I agree that it dosen't gauge a player but on the otherhand it is also difficult to overlook a players medal haul. All you hae to do is watch Oisin and you can see that he oozes pure class and he should rightly be mentioned along side some of the so called greats.

You'll get no argument here, I remember his first senior game against Tyrone at 19 years of age...Some player.

[Applesisapples]

I'm pretty sure you miss the next game, regardless if it falls outside of the suspension time window.

I think thats only in the national league, so should be a month if it sticks.

Engage your brain.

What?

[johnneycool]

Oisin never ever shirks irresponsibility.

A bit harsh Sheamy.

[sheamy]

Oisin never ever shirks irresponsibility.

A bit harsh Sheamy.

fixed. cheers 

[screenexile]

I'm pretty sure you miss the next game, regardless if it falls outside of the suspension time window.

I think thats only in the national league, so should be a month if it sticks.

Engage your brain.

What?

[Jinxy]

Oisin McConville, like Gooch, MF Russell, Mickey Linden, Joe Brolly and Peter Canavan was and is a formidable footballer and a special talent who unlike some of the afore mentioned hasn't faded from the scene. You can't gauge a player by his medal haul. Oisin still has it.

Eoghan O'Gara: 1 All Ireland medal.
Dessie Dolan: 0 All Ireland medals.
Case closed.

[brokencrossbar1]

http://www.kerryman.ie/sport/gaelic-football/all-ireland-heartache-for-dr-crokes-3027433.html

Anyone who says Kerry folk are sore losers should read this.

All Ireland heartache for Dr Crokes
Damian Stack was in Portlaoise on Saturday afternoon to witness Dr Crokes' humbling by the awesome Crossmaglen

"How did they throw that away?"

THAT was the question on many Dr Crokes and Kerry lips in the immediate aftermath of Saturday's All Ireland club semi-final. Given that Dr Crokes were up by seven points at one stage in the game it seems a totally reasonable question to ask.

Thing is though, it totally fails to grasp what happened in Portlaoise. The idea that Dr Crokes threw this game away is fundamentally flawed. Dr Crokes didn't throw anything away.

It was wrenched from them by the most effective, methodical and classy club side in the history of Gaelic Football.

Crokes didn't lose because they missed a few kickable chances in the first half. They lost because Crossmaglen were the better team and by some margin.

That, of course, doesn't quite square with the evidence of the first twenty minutes of the game. When Crokes were rampant and with Cross not looking anything like the formidable outfit we've come to know and (if you have to face them in battle) fear.

The initiative was very much with Dr Crokes then. The Kerry champs snapped up nearly every ball in the middle third of the field. Johnny Buckley and Ambrose O'donovan lorded matters over Johnny Hanratty and Stephen Kernan, while Eoin Brosnan and Fionn Fitzgerald were perceptive, reactive and effective sweepers on the half-back line.

With all that possession you'd expect a forward line of the calibre of Dr Crokes' to make hay. They did, but only to a certain extent. The lines of running and the passing, with boot and fist, were things of beauty. This was champagne stuff from Dr Crokes.

The only thing that was missing was more of an end product. They scored 1-5 to Crossmaglen's 0-1 in that period. It could or maybe even should have been something like 1-8 or possibly even 2-8 had Andrew Kenneally's effort been on target.

Given how anaemically Crossmaglen were playing it wouldn't have flattered the Killarney men and had they done so could Crossmaglen have come back from it? You'd be tempted to suggest not, but given what transpired you wouldn't put it past them.

Their joint managers Tony Mcentee and Gareth O'neill will be overjoyed with how they managed to claw back that deficit. By the same token they won't have been in the least bit pleased with how they performed in the opening twenty minutes of the match.

They conceded the initiative to Crokes. They looked overawed by the occasion and by the quality of the opposition. There was very little evidence of their years upon years of experience.

There was little evidence of their famed dogged determination either. Strange as it is to write, Crossmaglen were timid. They really could have no complaints when they found themselves seven points down.

That realisation seemed to ignite something in them. They knew they were better than this. For all Dr Crokes quality, they knew, deep down, that this was a position they had no place being.

Oisin Mcconville was the catalyst for Cross. He got a point just after Daithi Casey's goal to keep Cross ticking over and he set Michael Mcnamee up for the all important goal. Most importantly of all, however, was the decision of Mcentee and O'neill to throw David Mckenna into the fold in place of Stephen Finnegan.

At a stroke midfield and the attack were bolstered as Stephen Kernan moved into a more offensive role. It wasn't just that Buckley and O'donovan no longer had as much leeway as they had been having, all over the pitch Cross were getting stuck in, turning the heat up.

Dr Crokes didn't help themselves when the pressure came on. They did some foolish things. Like taking frees or kick-outs short, putting their defenders under serious pressure to carry the ball from defence. Cross pounced, frees were conceded and matters got steadily worse.

It wasn't just Mcconville who came to the fore for Cross. Jamie Clarke was inspirational too in the second half after an anonymous first. Inside the first minute of the second period he showed his class and his intent to make life utterly miserable for Crokes full-back Luke Quinn.

With a shimmy and a jink he left the Killarney man for dead, headed for goal and set up David Mckenna for a score to make it a one point game.

After Stephen Kernan's goal Cross were utterly dominant. Crokes simply had no answer to their power, their pace and their precision. Eoin Brosnan and Fionn Fitzgerald kept battling to some effect, but in most other places Crokes men were being beaten.

Crokes did, of course, bring this game back to parity. They did so totally and utterly against the run of play, assisted by the foolish sending off, for an off the ball incident, of Stephen Kernan.

Even down to fourteen men Cross had the better of their Kerry counterparts, but when Eoin Brosnan got up the pitch for a point to make it a three point game once again, suddenly Crokes sniffed an opening.

Chris Brady's instinctive finish from Brian Looney's rebounded goal shot gave Crokes hope again. In reality their late spurt was but a mirage. Cross were in control of this game, fourteen men or not, Crokes goal or no Crokes goal.

They weren't intimidated by Crokes. They didn't worry about what Colm Cooper might do now that the game was back in the melting pot. They had the Gooch well and truly wrapped up. Cross cornerback James Morgan kept him as quiet as a church mouse.

Nope, Cross didn't panic. Not for a second. They composed themselves, got down the pitch again (where they'd virtually camped out from the beginning of the half) and scored a goal of their own.

That's the mark of champions. Great champions at that. They play a lovely brand of football. They play it well. They make best use of the resources at their disposal. Alas Dr Crokes didn't.

Take the case of Colm Cooper. Even when Crokes were on song Cooper was peripheral, drifting deeper and deeper trying to bring his influence to bear.

He's the jewel in Crokes' crown. He should be the focal point of the team. Get the ball to him in dangerous positions. He'll do the rest.

So no, Crokes didn't "throw this away". Far from it. They made mistakes. In how they set themselves up, in how they tried to move the ball, in some of the decisions they made, but at the end of the day they simply came up against an irresistible force.

A good Crokes team was well beaten by a truly great Cross outfit. No mystery there.

[heffo]

Oisin McConville, like Gooch, MF Russell, Mickey Linden, Joe Brolly and Peter Canavan was and is a formidable footballer and a special talent who unlike some of the afore mentioned hasn't faded from the scene. You can't gauge a player by his medal haul. Oisin still has it.

Eoghan O'Gara: 1 All Ireland medal.
Dessie Dolan: 0 All Ireland medals.
Case closed.

Two AI medals Jinxy - himself and Bastick win the Junior AI in 2008 too!

[Croí na hÉireann]

Oisin McConville, like Gooch, MF Russell, Mickey Linden, Joe Brolly and Peter Canavan was and is a formidable footballer and a special talent who unlike some of the afore mentioned hasn't faded from the scene. You can't gauge a player by his medal haul. Oisin still has it.

Eoghan O'Gara: 1 All Ireland medal.
Dessie Dolan: 0 All Ireland medals.
Case closed.

Two AI medals Jinxy - himself and Bastick win the Junior AI in 2008 too!

Well if heffo is throwing Junior AI medals into the mix, you can add Dessie's U21 one as well

[heffo]

Oisin McConville, like Gooch, MF Russell, Mickey Linden, Joe Brolly and Peter Canavan was and is a formidable footballer and a special talent who unlike some of the afore mentioned hasn't faded from the scene. You can't gauge a player by his medal haul. Oisin still has it.

Eoghan O'Gara: 1 All Ireland medal.
Dessie Dolan: 0 All Ireland medals.
Case closed.

Two AI medals Jinxy - himself and Bastick win the Junior AI in 2008 too!

Well if heffo is throwing Junior AI medals into the mix, you can add Dessie's U21 one as well

He might  have a club AI in a few weeks to even things up too!

[LeoMc]

http://www.kerryman.ie/sport/gaelic-football/all-ireland-heartache-for-dr-crokes-3027433.html

Anyone who says Kerry folk are sore losers should read this.

All Ireland heartache for Dr Crokes
Damian Stack was in Portlaoise on Saturday afternoon to witness Dr Crokes' humbling by the awesome Crossmaglen

"How did they throw that away?"

THAT was the question on many Dr Crokes and Kerry lips in the immediate aftermath of Saturday's All Ireland club semi-final. Given that Dr Crokes were up by seven points at one stage in the game it seems a totally reasonable question to ask.

Thing is though, it totally fails to grasp what happened in Portlaoise. The idea that Dr Crokes threw this game away is fundamentally flawed. Dr Crokes didn't throw anything away.

It was wrenched from them by the most effective, methodical and classy club side in the history of Gaelic Football.

Crokes didn't lose because they missed a few kickable chances in the first half. They lost because Crossmaglen were the better team and by some margin.

That, of course, doesn't quite square with the evidence of the first twenty minutes of the game. When Crokes were rampant and with Cross not looking anything like the formidable outfit we've come to know and (if you have to face them in battle) fear.

The initiative was very much with Dr Crokes then. The Kerry champs snapped up nearly every ball in the middle third of the field. Johnny Buckley and Ambrose O'donovan lorded matters over Johnny Hanratty and Stephen Kernan, while Eoin Brosnan and Fionn Fitzgerald were perceptive, reactive and effective sweepers on the half-back line.

With all that possession you'd expect a forward line of the calibre of Dr Crokes' to make hay. They did, but only to a certain extent. The lines of running and the passing, with boot and fist, were things of beauty. This was champagne stuff from Dr Crokes.

The only thing that was missing was more of an end product. They scored 1-5 to Crossmaglen's 0-1 in that period. It could or maybe even should have been something like 1-8 or possibly even 2-8 had Andrew Kenneally's effort been on target.

Given how anaemically Crossmaglen were playing it wouldn't have flattered the Killarney men and had they done so could Crossmaglen have come back from it? You'd be tempted to suggest not, but given what transpired you wouldn't put it past them.

Their joint managers Tony Mcentee and Gareth O'neill will be overjoyed with how they managed to claw back that deficit. By the same token they won't have been in the least bit pleased with how they performed in the opening twenty minutes of the match.

They conceded the initiative to Crokes. They looked overawed by the occasion and by the quality of the opposition. There was very little evidence of their years upon years of experience.

There was little evidence of their famed dogged determination either. Strange as it is to write, Crossmaglen were timid. They really could have no complaints when they found themselves seven points down.

That realisation seemed to ignite something in them. They knew they were better than this. For all Dr Crokes quality, they knew, deep down, that this was a position they had no place being.

Oisin Mcconville was the catalyst for Cross. He got a point just after Daithi Casey's goal to keep Cross ticking over and he set Michael Mcnamee up for the all important goal. Most importantly of all, however, was the decision of Mcentee and O'neill to throw David Mckenna into the fold in place of Stephen Finnegan.

At a stroke midfield and the attack were bolstered as Stephen Kernan moved into a more offensive role. It wasn't just that Buckley and O'donovan no longer had as much leeway as they had been having, all over the pitch Cross were getting stuck in, turning the heat up.

Dr Crokes didn't help themselves when the pressure came on. They did some foolish things. Like taking frees or kick-outs short, putting their defenders under serious pressure to carry the ball from defence. Cross pounced, frees were conceded and matters got steadily worse.

It wasn't just Mcconville who came to the fore for Cross. Jamie Clarke was inspirational too in the second half after an anonymous first. Inside the first minute of the second period he showed his class and his intent to make life utterly miserable for Crokes full-back Luke Quinn.

With a shimmy and a jink he left the Killarney man for dead, headed for goal and set up David Mckenna for a score to make it a one point game.

After Stephen Kernan's goal Cross were utterly dominant. Crokes simply had no answer to their power, their pace and their precision. Eoin Brosnan and Fionn Fitzgerald kept battling to some effect, but in most other places Crokes men were being beaten.

Crokes did, of course, bring this game back to parity. They did so totally and utterly against the run of play, assisted by the foolish sending off, for an off the ball incident, of Stephen Kernan.

Even down to fourteen men Cross had the better of their Kerry counterparts, but when Eoin Brosnan got up the pitch for a point to make it a three point game once again, suddenly Crokes sniffed an opening.

Chris Brady's instinctive finish from Brian Looney's rebounded goal shot gave Crokes hope again. In reality their late spurt was but a mirage. Cross were in control of this game, fourteen men or not, Crokes goal or no Crokes goal.

They weren't intimidated by Crokes. They didn't worry about what Colm Cooper might do now that the game was back in the melting pot. They had the Gooch well and truly wrapped up. Cross cornerback James Morgan kept him as quiet as a church mouse.

Nope, Cross didn't panic. Not for a second. They composed themselves, got down the pitch again (where they'd virtually camped out from the beginning of the half) and scored a goal of their own.

That's the mark of champions. Great champions at that. They play a lovely brand of football. They play it well. They make best use of the resources at their disposal. Alas Dr Crokes didn't.

Take the case of Colm Cooper. Even when Crokes were on song Cooper was peripheral, drifting deeper and deeper trying to bring his influence to bear.

He's the jewel in Crokes' crown. He should be the focal point of the team. Get the ball to him in dangerous positions. He'll do the rest.

So no, Crokes didn't "throw this away". Far from it. They made mistakes. In how they set themselves up, in how they tried to move the ball, in some of the decisions they made, but at the end of the day they simply came up against an irresistible force.

A good Crokes team was well beaten by a truly great Cross outfit. No mystery there.

You wouldn't get that in the Ulster Herald.

[Croí na hÉireann]

Oisin McConville, like Gooch, MF Russell, Mickey Linden, Joe Brolly and Peter Canavan was and is a formidable footballer and a special talent who unlike some of the afore mentioned hasn't faded from the scene. You can't gauge a player by his medal haul. Oisin still has it.

Eoghan O'Gara: 1 All Ireland medal.
Dessie Dolan: 0 All Ireland medals.
Case closed.

Two AI medals Jinxy - himself and Bastick win the Junior AI in 2008 too!

Well if heffo is throwing Junior AI medals into the mix, you can add Dessie's U21 one as well

He might  have a club AI in a few weeks to even things up too!

Here's hoping.