Antrim Football Thread

Started by theskull1, November 09, 2006, 11:48:40 PM

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Milltown Row2

Quote from: Spike on Today at 12:58:30 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on Today at 10:40:43 AMThere are a significant number of these transfers which come from sanctions.
A young lad sanctions for maybe 4 years and then decides to fully transfer.
It's hard to argue that he should return to his "home" club when he has spent more time playing underage football with his sanctioned club.
However, the sanction/amalgamation rules need looked at. There are clubs with a pile of their own players sanctioning in players and there are clubs who can easily stand alone and be competitive who are being allowed to enter amalgamations.

Dont disagree with this.

Clubs who can field a team should not be in amalgamations end of. Acceptance is a Coach's ego boost.    It needs to be 2 or 3 clubs who cannot field that need to be merged together. 

Not disagreeing here, but would be keen to know what would the number be for a team nowadays? Are we talking 22 for likes of availability over the year to allow for the injuries exams and the other reasons young ones give?

As entering a team because you have 15 won't cut it when teams that waiting on a game don't get one as someone is unavailable and two teams then lose out..
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

Ghost+Tommy

Quote from: AllStar15 on Today at 09:58:13 AMDisappointed in those names released so far for the Antrim squad. Seems we are using division 4 to massage some aging egos rather than develop the future.
where did you see this list or is it pub talk,hearing PG1 minor manager stepping in to take Ahoghill seniors

imtommygunn

Tomas McCann called up according to Belfast Live but that aside I know nothing. A bit of experience wouldn't go amiss tbh.

ck

Quote from: AllStar15 on Today at 09:58:13 AMDisappointed in those names released so far for the Antrim squad. Seems we are using division 4 to massage some aging egos rather than develop the future.

Yep agree. Bringing back a host of players who have retired is a great way to ensure there is no team in 2/3 years. Need to get in young players and develop them surely? Really surprised at what I'm reading in on-line media, if true!

AllStar15

Quote from: Ghost+Tommy on Today at 01:27:01 PM
Quote from: AllStar15 on Today at 09:58:13 AMDisappointed in those names released so far for the Antrim squad. Seems we are using division 4 to massage some aging egos rather than develop the future.
where did you see this list or is it pub talk,hearing PG1 minor manager stepping in to take Ahoghill seniors


According to Niall McCoy, who only released some names, Tomas McCann/ John Carron/ Paddy McAleer all back.

AllStar15

Just to add to that he also said about Conor & Kevin Small and John McNabb.

Spike

until we see a full list of names we are only guessing

we want the best players playing for our county. 

if they are good enough they will be playing.  if they are not they will be standing at the wire like the rest of us.

by all accounts there was a large number up so we can expect plenty of complaining and hard luck stories from the noncommitted and the not good enoughs as the panel gets smaller and smaller as we approach McKenna Cup time




Spike

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on Today at 01:05:36 PM
Quote from: Spike on Today at 12:58:30 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on Today at 10:40:43 AMThere are a significant number of these transfers which come from sanctions.
A young lad sanctions for maybe 4 years and then decides to fully transfer.
It's hard to argue that he should return to his "home" club when he has spent more time playing underage football with his sanctioned club.
However, the sanction/amalgamation rules need looked at. There are clubs with a pile of their own players sanctioning in players and there are clubs who can easily stand alone and be competitive who are being allowed to enter amalgamations.

Dont disagree with this.

Clubs who can field a team should not be in amalgamations end of. Acceptance is a Coach's ego boost.    It needs to be 2 or 3 clubs who cannot field that need to be merged together. 

Not disagreeing here, but would be keen to know what would the number be for a team nowadays? Are we talking 22 for likes of availability over the year to allow for the injuries exams and the other reasons young ones give?

As entering a team because you have 15 won't cut it when teams that waiting on a game don't get one as someone is unavailable and two teams then lose out..

expect 17 or 18 would be enough. plenty of clubs with that. isn't there a rule you can line out with 13 players which many do around exam time which helps.     

UpTheSaffs17

i know exactly what has been done and from what i have been told every player has been committed that has been there thus far, must be whispers from outside encouraging selections.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: Spike on Today at 02:48:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on Today at 01:05:36 PM
Quote from: Spike on Today at 12:58:30 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on Today at 10:40:43 AMThere are a significant number of these transfers which come from sanctions.
A young lad sanctions for maybe 4 years and then decides to fully transfer.
It's hard to argue that he should return to his "home" club when he has spent more time playing underage football with his sanctioned club.
However, the sanction/amalgamation rules need looked at. There are clubs with a pile of their own players sanctioning in players and there are clubs who can easily stand alone and be competitive who are being allowed to enter amalgamations.

Dont disagree with this.

Clubs who can field a team should not be in amalgamations end of. Acceptance is a Coach's ego boost.    It needs to be 2 or 3 clubs who cannot field that need to be merged together. 

Not disagreeing here, but would be keen to know what would the number be for a team nowadays? Are we talking 22 for likes of availability over the year to allow for the injuries exams and the other reasons young ones give?

As entering a team because you have 15 won't cut it when teams that waiting on a game don't get one as someone is unavailable and two teams then lose out..

expect 17 or 18 would be enough. plenty of clubs with that. isn't there a rule you can line out with 13 players which many do around exam time which helps.     

Not sure if you have taken juvenile teams but I'm personally not taking a team with 17 of a squad.. That's just me, I've taken many teams and if at the start of the year that's all I had that SAY they are playing, come league or championship is different.. 2 subs (if you are lucky) isn't fair either as some players may be expected to play injured and so on..

Yes the rule is in place and every time I've spoken to the managers of the team with all their players there is usually a good aul rant, its not perfect but there are winners and losers all round when you have just 17 to call on.

Long gone are the days when you could have bigger squads as first year under 16's could play minor
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

Gaels1789

Quote from: UpTheSaffs17 on Today at 02:52:40 PMi know exactly what has been done and from what i have been told every player has been committed that has been there thus far, must be whispers from outside encouraging selections.


It'll be hard to know Untill a list of players comes out,

Probably different views from people who still there and the ones who have been dropped

Spike

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on Today at 03:01:23 PM
Quote from: Spike on Today at 02:48:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on Today at 01:05:36 PM
Quote from: Spike on Today at 12:58:30 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on Today at 10:40:43 AMThere are a significant number of these transfers which come from sanctions.
A young lad sanctions for maybe 4 years and then decides to fully transfer.
It's hard to argue that he should return to his "home" club when he has spent more time playing underage football with his sanctioned club.
However, the sanction/amalgamation rules need looked at. There are clubs with a pile of their own players sanctioning in players and there are clubs who can easily stand alone and be competitive who are being allowed to enter amalgamations.

Dont disagree with this.

Clubs who can field a team should not be in amalgamations end of. Acceptance is a Coach's ego boost.    It needs to be 2 or 3 clubs who cannot field that need to be merged together. 

Not disagreeing here, but would be keen to know what would the number be for a team nowadays? Are we talking 22 for likes of availability over the year to allow for the injuries exams and the other reasons young ones give?

As entering a team because you have 15 won't cut it when teams that waiting on a game don't get one as someone is unavailable and two teams then lose out..

expect 17 or 18 would be enough. plenty of clubs with that. isn't there a rule you can line out with 13 players which many do around exam time which helps.     

Not sure if you have taken juvenile teams but I'm personally not taking a team with 17 of a squad.. That's just me, I've taken many teams and if at the start of the year that's all I had that SAY they are playing, come league or championship is different.. 2 subs (if you are lucky) isn't fair either as some players may be expected to play injured and so on..

Yes the rule is in place and every time I've spoken to the managers of the team with all their players there is usually a good aul rant, its not perfect but there are winners and losers all round when you have just 17 to call on.

Long gone are the days when you could have bigger squads as first year under 16's could play minor

You've been spoiled MR2 if you have never taken a team with low squad numbers.  wont say you'll win a trophy with a squad of 17 or 18 but you will at least keep them playing that season.   nothing perfect but that 13 rule gets a game

delgany

Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on Today at 10:40:43 AMThere are a significant number of these transfers which come from sanctions.
A young lad sanctions for maybe 4 years and then decides to fully transfer.
It's hard to argue that he should return to his "home" club when he has spent more time playing underage football with his sanctioned club.
However, the sanction/amalgamation rules need looked at. There are clubs with a pile of their own players sanctioning in players and there are clubs who can easily stand alone and be competitive who are being allowed to enter amalgamations.
I've been told that these are also being reviewed