Antrim Football Thread

[Milltown Row2]

That does seem to be an issue, however I have noticed at some of the games this year a few refs are trying to bring umpires with them for that extra cover

Been said in conversation a lot recently but it is getting harder and harder for refs who have to turn up to these games on their own with no linesmen and relying on the relevant clubs to do it.

Just seems to cause aggro and the ref can't see everything.

They could really do with another pairs of eyes at times as if they miss something they are damned by all and aren't really given the appropriate help from those on the line in a lot of cases due to bias.

We can't get cover for the games never mind getting linesmen or umpires...

A lot of ref's will be doing 3 or more games over the weekend some two in one day. It's nearly impossible to have umpires from your club as the club has a game at same time

Tumelty had umpires last night great help to him

Had them Wed night but its not always a given, the majority of games covered last night didn't and until championship its not always readily available

Glad to see you were happy with his performance

[FrMaginn]

From what I've seen this year, about 10 senior games, the level of refereeing has been very poor.  Last night was the worst and that's not to be harsh on the fellas, but there has been maybe 1 good ref for every 3/4 bad.
I don't think linesmen or umpires is the issue, I'm talking about general play around the middle third, linesmem would of course help for some decisions.  I understand being a referee is difficult job at times but I'm talking about obvious and clear errors and not 50:50 tackles.
Not sure what the solution is, the rules sometimes don't help but I'm sure if more ex players took up the whistle it would help.  The chances of that happening is probably null.  And before anyone says I'm being hyper critical for no reason, that's not my intention and I've done the referee test before and scored >90% so I do have a fairly decent understanding of the rules too

[InnocentByStander]

That does seem to be an issue, however I have noticed at some of the games this year a few refs are trying to bring umpires with them for that extra cover

Been said in conversation a lot recently but it is getting harder and harder for refs who have to turn up to these games on their own with no linesmen and relying on the relevant clubs to do it.

Just seems to cause aggro and the ref can't see everything.

They could really do with another pairs of eyes at times as if they miss something they are damned by all and aren't really given the appropriate help from those on the line in a lot of cases due to bias.

We can't get cover for the games never mind getting linesmen or umpires...

A lot of ref's will be doing 3 or more games over the weekend some two in one day. It's nearly impossible to have umpires from your club as the club has a game at same time

Tumelty had umpires last night great help to him

Had them Wed night but its not always a given, the majority of games covered last night didn't and until championship its not always readily available

Glad to see you were happy with his performance

haha to be fair he done Cargin last week too and he's not the worst...

Understandable can be hard to get people to do umpire for the refs

[Would ye whist]

Care to elaborate what game you were at last night or are you talking about all the games last night?

From what I've seen this year, about 10 senior games, the level of refereeing has been very poor.  Last night was the worst and that's not to be harsh on the fellas, but there has been maybe 1 good ref for every 3/4 bad.
I don't think linesmen or umpires is the issue, I'm talking about general play around the middle third, linesmem would of course help for some decisions.  I understand being a referee is difficult job at times but I'm talking about obvious and clear errors and not 50:50 tackles.
Not sure what the solution is, the rules sometimes don't help but I'm sure if more ex players took up the whistle it would help.  The chances of that happening is probably null.  And before anyone says I'm being hyper critical for no reason, that's not my intention and I've done the referee test before and scored >90% so I do have a fairly decent understanding of the rules too

[FrMaginn]

Care to elaborate what game you were at last night or are you talking about all the games last night?

From what I've seen this year, about 10 senior games, the level of refereeing has been very poor.  Last night was the worst and that's not to be harsh on the fellas, but there has been maybe 1 good ref for every 3/4 bad.
I don't think linesmen or umpires is the issue, I'm talking about general play around the middle third, linesmem would of course help for some decisions.  I understand being a referee is difficult job at times but I'm talking about obvious and clear errors and not 50:50 tackles.
Not sure what the solution is, the rules sometimes don't help but I'm sure if more ex players took up the whistle it would help.  The chances of that happening is probably null.  And before anyone says I'm being hyper critical for no reason, that's not my intention and I've done the referee test before and scored >90% so I do have a fairly decent understanding of the rules too

How could it be all the games?  I don't want to single this fella out no, as I know refs do their best and it's not intentional.  But it was 'in the city'

[Milltown Row2]

Only one 'city' game last night 

[Would ye whist]

I count 7 across the 3 divisions or are you only referring to Div 1

Only one 'city' game last night 

[Milltown Row2]

I count 7 across the 3 divisions or are you only referring to Div 1

Only one 'city' game last night 

Yes.. I'm guessing framginn is a country man

[FrMaginn]

I count 7 across the 3 divisions or are you only referring to Div 1

Only one 'city' game last night 

Interpret the response as you like, but it's going off point.
As players we train our asses off.  When we play matches we get shoulded to the head picking up ball, tackled with closed fists, high tackles around neck, 2 man tackled to ground for us to then get blown up for over carrying etc.  Look I agree some players and managers are completly out of order to referees which is wrong and I won't defend that, they don't deserve the comments they get, just like the Cargin lads didn't deserve what was mentioned last night. But as players we get ridiculed for bad results.  The backlash in this forum after Armagh and the whole Div3 was clear.  Even Andy too.  But yet it seems that as soon as anyone mentions a poor decision/performance after a game by a ref they are bang out of order.  As I said, I don't know the solution but that's my observation whether it's right or wrong

[imtommygunn]

The 11th commandment. Thou shalt not slag off a ref or MR will jump down your throat 

[Milltown Row2]

I count 7 across the 3 divisions or are you only referring to Div 1

Only one 'city' game last night 

Interpret the response as you like, but it's going off point.
As players we train our asses off.  When we play matches we get shoulded to the head picking up ball, tackled with closed fists, high tackles around neck, 2 man tackled to ground for us to then get blown up for over carrying etc.  Look I agree some players and managers are completly out of order to referees which is wrong and I won't defend that, they don't deserve the comments they get, just like the Cargin lads didn't deserve what was mentioned last night. But as players we get ridiculed for bad results.  The backlash in this forum after Armagh and the whole Div3 was clear.  Even Andy too.  But yet it seems that as soon as anyone mentions a poor decision/performance after a game by a ref they are bang out of order.  As I said, I don't know the solution but that's my observation whether it's right or wrong

You'll not hear me giving off about county teams and the like with regards to performances, no one steps out on to a pitch to perform badly, it happens, even I have a bad day

Taking things to a personal level is different though, you can have constructive criticism or just be a nasty shite and go over the top. I'm generally the only one hear that will debate about the referee's otherwise it would be one way traffic. Or would you prefer it not to be challenged?

Closed fist yellow card by the book, open hand attempt on the ball ok, misses the ball a free, shoulder to the head by the book is a red card, high tackle around the neck is also a yellow depending on how bad it is it can be red.. I'd two of these last night, and typical aggro. This very rarely happens in hurling, why is it so different?

[FrMaginn]

I count 7 across the 3 divisions or are you only referring to Div 1

Only one 'city' game last night 

Interpret the response as you like, but it's going off point.
As players we train our asses off.  When we play matches we get shoulded to the head picking up ball, tackled with closed fists, high tackles around neck, 2 man tackled to ground for us to then get blown up for over carrying etc.  Look I agree some players and managers are completly out of order to referees which is wrong and I won't defend that, they don't deserve the comments they get, just like the Cargin lads didn't deserve what was mentioned last night. But as players we get ridiculed for bad results.  The backlash in this forum after Armagh and the whole Div3 was clear.  Even Andy too.  But yet it seems that as soon as anyone mentions a poor decision/performance after a game by a ref they are bang out of order.  As I said, I don't know the solution but that's my observation whether it's right or wrong

You'll not hear me giving off about county teams and the like with regards to performances, no one steps out on to a pitch to perform badly, it happens, even I have a bad day

Taking things to a personal level is different though, you can have constructive criticism or just be a nasty shite and go over the top. I'm generally the only one hear that will debate about the referee's otherwise it would be one way traffic. Or would you prefer it not to be challenged?

Closed fist yellow card by the book, open hand attempt on the ball ok, misses the ball a free, shoulder to the head by the book is a red card, high tackle around the neck is also a yellow depending on how bad it is it can be red.. I'd two of these last night, and typical aggro. This very rarely happens in hurling, why is it so different?

Debate is healthy if respectful, no one can be right 100% of time.  Everyone of those tackles happened last night and every outcome was over carrying.  I just think the standard has dropped.  How would you say standard has changed in last 5 years?  Or would your take be, you don't see enough as generally are reffing yourself?  I think we can both agree respect has dropped along with the number of actual refs.

High tackles in hurling are very common got, my take is players, especially at County, encourage tackling arms to slide up their body in tackles to that hight and then exaggerate the tackle as unlike football, frees are generally speaking a free shot on goal.  Could be completly wrong.

[Milltown Row2]

I count 7 across the 3 divisions or are you only referring to Div 1

Only one 'city' game last night 

Interpret the response as you like, but it's going off point.
As players we train our asses off.  When we play matches we get shoulded to the head picking up ball, tackled with closed fists, high tackles around neck, 2 man tackled to ground for us to then get blown up for over carrying etc.  Look I agree some players and managers are completly out of order to referees which is wrong and I won't defend that, they don't deserve the comments they get, just like the Cargin lads didn't deserve what was mentioned last night. But as players we get ridiculed for bad results.  The backlash in this forum after Armagh and the whole Div3 was clear.  Even Andy too.  But yet it seems that as soon as anyone mentions a poor decision/performance after a game by a ref they are bang out of order.  As I said, I don't know the solution but that's my observation whether it's right or wrong

You'll not hear me giving off about county teams and the like with regards to performances, no one steps out on to a pitch to perform badly, it happens, even I have a bad day

Taking things to a personal level is different though, you can have constructive criticism or just be a nasty shite and go over the top. I'm generally the only one hear that will debate about the referee's otherwise it would be one way traffic. Or would you prefer it not to be challenged?

Closed fist yellow card by the book, open hand attempt on the ball ok, misses the ball a free, shoulder to the head by the book is a red card, high tackle around the neck is also a yellow depending on how bad it is it can be red.. I'd two of these last night, and typical aggro. This very rarely happens in hurling, why is it so different?

Debate is healthy if respectful, no one can be right 100% of time.  Everyone of those tackles happened last night and every outcome was over carrying.  I just think the standard has dropped.  How would you say standard has changed in last 5 years?  Or would your take be, you don't see enough as generally are reffing yourself?  I think we can both agree respect has dropped along with the number of actual refs.

High tackles in hurling are very common got, my take is players, especially at County, encourage tackling arms to slide up their body in tackles to that hight and then exaggerate the tackle as unlike football, frees are generally speaking a free shot on goal.  Could be completly wrong.

The situation you describe is common enough, players can take the ball into a 'challenge' and are held up as such, in some cases the players are trying to slap the ball all good and if the player doesnt release the ball it's overcarrying. If we gave a foul for that we'd be encouraging players to just run into a tackle and win a free.

When the pull at the hands or tackle anything but the ball its a foul or play advantage too see if the player can break the challenge

My take on hurling over football, certainly at senior level is that in most cases they just get on with the hard tackles and don't take it personally, in footballer that players take every tackle like they are slagging their manhood. I leave a football pitch needing some panadol and the hurling game with no tablets 

[NatSoSaff]

aye but hurling is shite 

[Milltown Row2]

Aye I know, much prefer the lateral defensive 15 men behind the ball where the goal keeper scores more than attackers