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« Reply #19500 on: February 12, 2020, 03:04:37 PM »
I see McCann is back on the county panel after a few years. Good addition

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« Reply #19501 on: February 12, 2020, 03:26:37 PM »
I thought you meant Tomas there and was wondering where you'd been then realised it was Michael. Happy days. I didn't see that coming.

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« Reply #19502 on: February 12, 2020, 03:30:21 PM »
Undoubtedly still talented enough, just hope the attitude is right

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« Reply #19503 on: February 12, 2020, 06:46:29 PM »
Undoubtedly still talented enough, just hope the attitude is right

Why wouldn’t it be?

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« Reply #19504 on: February 12, 2020, 06:54:42 PM »
Undoubtedly still talented enough, just hope the attitude is right

Why wouldn’t it be?

My thoughts to, why wouldn’t it be. One of the best we have produced, a leader for both county and club.

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« Reply #19505 on: February 12, 2020, 09:09:05 PM »
What about any of the St Galls old guard.
Surely some would be beneficial to younger lads

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« Reply #19506 on: February 12, 2020, 10:29:33 PM »
Fantastic news.

Hope they all stay on next year if we get promoted

Fantastic!
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« Reply #19507 on: February 13, 2020, 08:17:27 AM »
Squad now with 3 former stalwarts of Antrim and a guy who couldnt make the meath panel.

Great to see and Michael McCann would walk on to any county panel, but im a bit disillusioned regarding Lenny's original pitch when he was appointed which was about bringing through fresh blood and improving the young players our county have. To date i cant see anyone who Lenny has really improved or playing at a higher level than they were before or what was expected of them. Hence the move to turn to the old guard to improve his squad and squeeze out a bit of success so he may have some sort of legacy with Antrim as manager.

Not a personal attack on him as iv alot of respect of what he has achieved previously though regarding the current crop i havnt seen an awful lot of change. Though maybe playing with cooler more experienced heads may get more out of the younger men
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« Reply #19508 on: February 13, 2020, 09:10:29 AM »
Squad now with 3 former stalwarts of Antrim and a guy who couldnt make the meath panel.

Great to see and Michael McCann would walk on to any county panel, but im a bit disillusioned regarding Lenny's original pitch when he was appointed which was about bringing through fresh blood and improving the young players our county have. To date i cant see anyone who Lenny has really improved or playing at a higher level than they were before or what was expected of them. Hence the move to turn to the old guard to improve his squad and squeeze out a bit of success so he may have some sort of legacy with Antrim as manager.

Not a personal attack on him as iv alot of respect of what he has achieved previously though regarding the current crop i havnt seen an awful lot of change. Though maybe playing with cooler more experienced heads may get more out of the younger men

Not a personal attack, your full of shit lad.. Id be disappointed in a manager that just stuck to the norm and didn't develop, but hey go and lambast someone for actually making an attempt to get promotion..

As for not developing younger lads or players that haven't been on a panel before, there are plenty of young new county players over the last few years, have they developed to the point that you think they should, maybe not, but we are a div 4 team and have been for many years, getting into div 3 the odd time but we are a yoyo team and even with all the best players we had, back in the day, we were not pulling up tress, bar the Ulster final, we've failed before it and after that glorious day in Clones sadly
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« Reply #19509 on: February 13, 2020, 09:29:36 AM »
Jesus MR2 scrutinising management isnt something that you should be taking so personal. It wasnt a personal attack, i think what iv outlined is something which the antrim board will obviously be thinking when they review the teams performance. I dare not say anything regarding refs or management if i think there is patches in their performance which could be scrutinised. Obviously i think he is doing right, bringin back paddy and the two cargin lads (as u seen i had mentioned it in previous posts), they will definitely bring us closer to a shot at promotion, but why sell the pitch that the job he took on was focused on bringing through youth and building antrim for the future regardless of results? I dont think Paddy, Mick or Tomas are there just for the ride or to sit on the bench. So obviously going back to the old guard will be at the expense of some of the other lads who are new to the panel or are young still.

My analyses is just that, like in this forum, its alright being optimistic but at some point you realise that youth requires experienced players/ leaders on the field to bring them on. Lennys first couple of years seriously lacked that. Now he has went back on his original stance and brought in men who he may of asked but hadnt really chased (as he has done this time from November) all for the greater good of the county promotion chase. Though to some of the younger lads on the panels expense.

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« Reply #19510 on: February 13, 2020, 10:04:23 AM »
He can't really win with you can he ;D

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« Reply #19511 on: February 13, 2020, 10:10:03 AM »
I'd say that's fair comment RM, nothing in that that anyone should take exception to. Lenny came in looking at a five year plan and part of that was to go with the guys who put their hands up. Nothing wrong with that. However.....in Lennys defence, I know for a fact that behind the scenes strong overtures were put out to four or five experienced players, all who found a reason to decline. That's not something everyone is aware of.

Now in year three there is a serious push for promotion. The five year plan is on standby until the first target has been reached, the bottom line target of promotion to div 3. That's the only show in town right now, and Lenny is rightly throwing the kitchen sink at achieving this. The Tomas Paddy and Micks will see a good set up, much improved since the days when a manager was given a bag of balls and told to get on with it. (Ok ok I know that's a bit harsh). Problem is....all other counties have moved on too, and this hasn't made our prospects any easier just because we are getting our act together.

I can vouch for the fact that Lenny has put in serious work, good quality work too, all modern sports science, analysis, systems, etc. But the fact remains that we need all our best players out for any management team to succeed.

Paddy Mick and Tomas are welcomed back by all and sundry. They are proven and still capable of offering something meaningful, and at the end of the day if that helps get us out of the basement division then it will be seen as a good call all round. They mightnt all get ( or shouldn't expect) 70 minutes game time, but if these three collectively light the spark that gets us over the line then fair play to all concerned.

I know its early days, very early but IF we can get out this year, hopefully we can get the two Paddy Mcs back ( Mc Aleer and Mc Cormack) the two Fitzys (Pearse and Matt) and the two Murrays (Conor for another term and proven brother Ryan) then I've no doubt whatsoever we can be most competitive in Div 3.

It's all about Carlow and Limerick though. In two and a half weeks we will know if we are still on course, and as I say I think we will be.

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« Reply #19512 on: February 13, 2020, 10:52:10 AM »
To be honest men i agree with what alot of whats said on here, i just offer a perspective from the other side of the coin, stuff that i dont feel is right. Like all managers no one should be outside of scrutiny. Thats part and parcel what they have signed up for. and to be honest what harm are we doing stating perspectives on this forum. Its not as if we are lambasting him at matches and trying to create unrest. Lennys 5 year plan hasnt went to plan for a number of reasons. i never once criticised his set up or his methods, i would say its more so to do with him placing all his chips on men within the panel who were just happy to be there or havnt had the quality he needed. As iv said in previous comments he needed pedigree and experience and he now he has went and got it. Which to be honest has contradicted what he had set out to do originally. The lads he was backing on to come through either havnt or have had other commitments. But if he turns the corner, gets promotion and actually BRINGS THROUGH 5 or 6 lads who he developed then il be the first to congratulate him.

BS are you referring to P.Fitzsimmons, as in midfield for Lamh Dearg? i dont recall him playing county or have i missed something. Have u seen much of him?

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« Reply #19513 on: February 13, 2020, 11:19:32 AM »
Carlow and Limerick was on TG4 (well highlights). Limerick were probably lucky enough but Carlow sometimes don't help themselves with discipline. The two Murphys are particularly indisciplined. One punched someone on the face as he was running with the ball then kicked off a stink when he got sent off. Limerick had a full forward on view who looks like he will take some watching.

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Re: Antrim Football Thread
« Reply #19514 on: February 13, 2020, 12:27:13 PM »
Definitely ITG Daniel someone ran riot against Cork in the Mc Grath cup final a month ago. Re Pearse Fitz, son of Frank, midfield for LD, has turned into a really good player in my book and picked up a nasty knee injury against us in the replayed match at the Dub. I'd be surprised if he wasn't on Lennys radar before the accident. As I say it's just in my book (and that's not the one that really matters lol) but I believe he would definitely be a positive addition. Obviously I'm taking the optimistic view that Matt Fitz can be enticed back again at some stage and that's not a given.
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