Antrim Football Thread

[Belfast GAA man]

and referees!
glad Im a volunteer only

[Milltown Row2]

It'll certainly prevent games being played

[SaffronSports]

Are refs not paid "expenses"? Bit of a grey area there?

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

No. They are paid money. They can put a pair of knickers on it and call it what they want but they are being paid.

And this has been a long time coming and a long time warning.

And I'm not suggesting that they do/don't deserve their money.

But the books need to somehow right themselves.

[SaffronSports]

No. They are paid money. They can put a pair of knickers on it and call it what they want but they are being paid.

And this has been a long time coming and a long time warning.

And I'm not suggesting that they do/don't deserve their money.

But the books need to somehow right themselves.

So are they paid as a self employed person then? A ref once told me it is regarded as expenses and non taxable. I've no idea if that's right or wrong but it's what a ref told me.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

They are paid a set fee for refereeing a game. They aren't producing anything to say that they were out of pocket and are now claiming it back.

Again, before milltown loses his shit, I'm not suggesting they shouldn't get it but the process definitely needs tidied up.

[BigGreenField]

Why would you get rid of the gaelfast competitions? Surely any and all activity is to be encouraged?

Absolutely encourage the activity - I just wonder that the kids play juvenile games internally in Antrim for their clubs and then do the same in school. Being exposed to a variety of standards is important, with limited time for games is allocating a big chunk to intra Antrim games the way to go? 1st year competition ok, great way to get kids together. Higher years not soo much.

Not criticising the effort which is a lot to make these competitions happen just is it the right thing.

[BigGreenField]

For the 26 counties there is a higher prevalence of dodgy tax schemes, hence the Revenue (HMRC) will go after sectors once in a while and publish e.g. tax defaulters list to create  a deterrent. I'd imagine the Revenue are seeing some of the sums being discussed in media and social media in respect of county squads and saying right that's enough. It was amusing that County Boards put out a statement saying "we think Croke Park is best pleased to lead on this".

It's ok to be a free lancer but county boards and clubs would need to be receiving invoices and have these to justify not having paid employer taxes. For the recipient in NI if it is income and not reimbursement of expenses it needs to be declared to HMRC and registered for a self assessment tax return if more than 1,000 a year - a very low threshold to (again) deter soft arrangements.

If reimbursement of expenses the employer will need to have had evidence or a policy of what they are reimbursing.

[Milltown Row2]

They are paid a set fee for refereeing a game. They aren't producing anything to say that they were out of pocket and are now claiming it back.

Again, before milltown loses his shit, I'm not suggesting they shouldn't get it but the process definitely needs tidied up.

So if someone declares to HMRC (as they should) their fee,  what's to be tidied up? What are you suggesting?

[Would ye whist]

Christ men I am no fan of many of our refs but if you think they could not be earning more say doing 3 hours joinery work as opposed to that time travelling to, reffing and travelling home from a game you are off your head. the 'expenses' would not even cover some of our refs in Antrim for being out of pocket as I know some are doctors, solicitors, engineers etc. Pay it is not I would imagine

[Spike]

They are paid a set fee for refereeing a game. They aren't producing anything to say that they were out of pocket and are now claiming it back.

Again, before milltown loses his shit, I'm not suggesting they shouldn't get it but the process definitely needs tidied up.

So if someone declares to HMRC (as they should) their fee,  what's to be tidied up? What are you suggesting?

Hes saying you may need to put that 1957 Ferrari Testa Rossa 250 in the garage with a cover on it next year 

[SaffronSports]

They are paid a set fee for refereeing a game. They aren't producing anything to say that they were out of pocket and are now claiming it back.

Again, before milltown loses his shit, I'm not suggesting they shouldn't get it but the process definitely needs tidied up.

So if someone declares to HMRC (as they should) their fee,  what's to be tidied up? What are you suggesting?

So the money a ref gets should be declared to HMRC? A ref told me it was done in such a way that it was non taxable? Imo that probably takes the onus away from the Gaa anyway as a ref should probably declare that themselves unless HMRC regard them as employees of the Gaa?

[BigGreenField]

An interesting live case on the topic (for better paid ref's in a different code)

https://www.brabners.com/insights/sport/football-referee-tax-dispute-showcases-complexities-of-employment-status-in-warning-to-organisations-who-engage-self-employed-individuals

[imtommygunn]

If you were doing everything by the book should be not be declaring everything over and above income to HMRC? Not sure there would be a way that the GAA could sidestep that.

[Milltown Row2]

If you were doing everything by the book should be not be declaring everything over and above income to HMRC? Not sure there would be a way that the GAA could sidestep that.

I wouldn't imagine they are sidestepping it as such, if someone in any walk of life gets a payment the onus is on them?