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« Reply #17775 on: March 15, 2019, 09:56:50 AM »
From an outsider I would say:
St Brigids and St Endas seem to be heading the right direction.
Rossa appeared to be but maybe have taken a backward step recently?
Lamh Dearg won the SFC 2 seasons ago but don't know much about their under age teams.

Open to correction on any of the above points!

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« Reply #17776 on: March 15, 2019, 10:07:29 AM »
Who would be seen as the progressive clubs in South Antrim (Belfast) ??

Playing teams or facilities wise or complete package?

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« Reply #17777 on: March 15, 2019, 10:10:16 AM »
Gaelfest is one plan, leadership has changed very recently so that needs time to flourish. The schools have had varied attempts to improve on their worth but unfortunately not enough kids are interested, so if youíve not got them at primary school level then they are completely lost come secondary school!

A Belfast league? The reason we go all county is to give kids more games, the reason these games arenít played can be as youíve mentioned is schools, exams and so on, one other reason is having games on a Friday night, where travel to Ballycastle is difficult, the sensible fixture should be Belfast games should be during the week while weekend games should be against teams from 30 plus miles away..

 how can soccer be played ever weekend on grass pitches from August through to May?! Should we look at changing the dates ?

Rugby at juvenile level is only played at school level competition wise in the north, they donít play for clubs as such until they play for senior clubs or old schools clubs.

At a leadership level putting measures in place quickly to change current systems is harder than we think Iíd imagine. If someone put your proposal in place and it didnít work then where do we go?

The beauty of being a member of a club is you can put these proposals to your club committee and they can bring that to the county.
I wish the process of putting a motion to your club / getting club agreement / get board and other clubs agreement was that easy. The set up makes change very slow

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« Reply #17778 on: March 15, 2019, 10:11:06 AM »
Both I guess, they not go hand in hand?

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« Reply #17779 on: March 15, 2019, 10:15:27 AM »
We all have various 'tweaks' to current systems to improve the situation for young men/ladies in either code. Here's what i'm thinking for u16 & minor:

Trying to keep these high level:
1. Organise our fixtures to accommodate the exam timetable.
2. Increase the number of games dramatically.
3. Schedule these fixtures in a logistically sensible way (i.e Belfast teams can play each other mid week/friday night. NA would do the same. NA vs Belfast games must be a sat/sun).

If we could tick these boxes it would be a great start.

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« Reply #17780 on: March 15, 2019, 10:21:39 AM »
If you look at underage leagues though there are a load of games where teams are not fielding. How would more games help that? I think it's deeper than just the more games thing.

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« Reply #17781 on: March 15, 2019, 10:27:06 AM »
Both I guess, they not go hand in hand?

Some say they and some say they don't. Look at St Galls, 10/11 in a row without massive facilities.

Sarsfields new set up is impressive and great to see them thriving, I'm sure they'd love to stay in Div2 for another year and build from there.

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« Reply #17782 on: March 15, 2019, 11:26:04 AM »
Gaelfest is one plan, leadership has changed very recently so that needs time to flourish. The schools have had varied attempts to improve on their worth but unfortunately not enough kids are interested, so if youíve not got them at primary school level then they are completely lost come secondary school!

A Belfast league? The reason we go all county is to give kids more games, the reason these games arenít played can be as youíve mentioned is schools, exams and so on, one other reason is having games on a Friday night, where travel to Ballycastle is difficult, the sensible fixture should be Belfast games should be during the week while weekend games should be against teams from 30 plus miles away..

 how can soccer be played ever weekend on grass pitches from August through to May?! Should we look at changing the dates ?

Rugby at juvenile level is only played at school level competition wise in the north, they donít play for clubs as such until they play for senior clubs or old schools clubs.

At a leadership level putting measures in place quickly to change current systems is harder than we think Iíd imagine. If someone put your proposal in place and it didnít work then where do we go?

The beauty of being a member of a club is you can put these proposals to your club committee and they can bring that to the county.

There is something worth looking at in the idea of a Belfast league, maybe as a pre regular league competition or at the end of the playing calendar. Even a south Belfast league would be worthwhile as a mini competition

I swear people forget so easily how things were set up before. Underage wasn't all county 11 years ago and it had its drawbacks. The main one? There isn't  enough teams to have proper divisions. One week we'd play a fantastic Creggan team and beat by 5/6 the next week we held St Comgalls to two points over 60 minutes. Swings and roundabouts.

This is like people saying we need to look at adding more divisions, 11/12 years ago we had divisions and it fostered a more competitive scene as reserve teams of varying quality were spread throughout these divisions. A galls/cargin second team was regularly finishing quite competitively in div 2/3.  It also meant that reserve matches didn't swing wildly from one week to the next as they do now as it was in essence an actual seperate team.

We don't have the depth of other counties in terms of numbers of teams and I still a home/away fixture set is a more accurate setup than the current implementation of the top/bottom.

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« Reply #17783 on: March 15, 2019, 11:27:41 AM »
If you look at underage leagues though there are a load of games where teams are not fielding. How would more games help that? I think it's deeper than just the more games thing.

Yes, there are many different strands to this issue. This might relate back to MR2's point about too many clubs in Belfast. Or maybe the way the fixtures were scheduled in the first place. A minefield

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« Reply #17784 on: March 15, 2019, 05:46:53 PM »
If Iím reading the minor fixtures right from county web Div 2 teams have 8 league matches and div 1 teams 12. U could hardly call that a season as championship is knockout....

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« Reply #17785 on: March 15, 2019, 05:57:12 PM »
12 games plus cíship plus regional championship probably enough for that age. Factor in exams, games with other age groups and games with other codes then I think itís ok.

(Not sure if Belfast has a south Belfast cíship but there is a south west one)

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« Reply #17786 on: March 15, 2019, 06:13:09 PM »
There is great sense on having 3  fixtures  in July!

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« Reply #17787 on: March 15, 2019, 07:05:48 PM »
12 games plus cíship plus regional championship probably enough for that age. Factor in exams, games with other age groups and games with other codes then I think itís ok.

(Not sure if Belfast has a south Belfast cíship but there is a south west one)
Yes think itís over already
Surely 8 in div 2 is light...

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« Reply #17788 on: March 15, 2019, 07:33:22 PM »
Yeah 8 maybe a wee bit light. 12 league games in the top one not bad.

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Re: Antrim Football Thread
« Reply #17789 on: March 15, 2019, 07:45:39 PM »
Only a panel of 22 named for this weeken?