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« Reply #16185 on: July 17, 2018, 04:05:42 PM »
Had them at my door too, Girl and a fella & have to say they were very nice and mannerly, Only had the price of one ticket on me but they were delighted to get it. Definitely not an easy job, fair play to them, see they raised over 300K!

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« Reply #16186 on: July 18, 2018, 10:52:58 AM »
fair play to them. ive sold more than my fair share of tickets over the years and its not a nice job.

I see Cargins new facility has got well started now.
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« Reply #16187 on: July 20, 2018, 10:17:14 AM »
That's serious door knocking Hoof. Not many clubs have broken the 400 mark.

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« Reply #16188 on: July 23, 2018, 12:13:38 PM »
Anyone else sick of nothingness at Inter County Level?
The size of our County why can we not produce boys who want to compete?
Why do we not have pride to represent our County? Like travel down to Kerry (extreme example I know) and everything is Green and Gold, it's an obsession and a pride. They wouldn't accept Div 4 and nothingness

Here if you go to watch Antrim people laugh and scorn "why bother go and watch them?"
IF we had more pride in ourselves and our place it may change matters.

Getting on a County team is not the same as beating another County team. Why can a boy from Ballymena not be as fit or strong as a boy from Ballymun?

Why accept nothingness? Why are we watching the Super 8s without a proper anger that it isn't us who are there?

We must be one of the few counties at this stage who haven't got to Croke Park since the qualifiers began--who else hasn't? Leitrim, Kilkenny and Waterford (and possibly Limerick) are the only Counties I believe ffs.
Like we've boys and men all over Belfast (black taxi drivers etc) all wearing Antrim Gear/Jerseys/Hats yet how many actually go to matches, SUPPORT and cheer their County on? Or give 1 fcuk? I know ppl who wear the gear but don't do it for anything to do with support of our County Team--it's a joke.

Great work with the Business forum and Vision but money doesn't give you pride to be fitter, stronger and not accept failure, pride does. We have none.

We've no County ground. Not 1 club with a stand and are the laughing stock of Ulster GAA

Baker was our best time in any time I can remember. Aidan O'Rourke etc was interested --I honestly (no disrespect to current team) think we need an outside man to come in immediately and take over the County Senior Team.
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« Reply #16189 on: July 27, 2018, 07:38:03 PM »
There is such a malaise towards our county teams it is unbelievable. The basic truth of the matter is that 90% of club members don't give a flying fig about the county. This generalisation won't surprise anyone. But the question is WHY is this the case?

We have so many fly by night supporters. We took circa 8 or 10 thousand supporters to an Ulster final in 2009, yet against Carlow in our last home game there wasn't 100 people supporting Antrim.

What really gets me is not the taxi drivers Gold. Where are the many hundreds of ex county players who have donned the jersey over the years. Take minor football alone. In the last 40 years (take 30 as an average sized panel) there is 1200 alone. Or the numbers who have passed through development squads, many looking for and getting their free jersey.

I could name county stalwarts at senior level who represented us with pride, but you wouldn't see the vast majority of them out supporting us. What's that about?

Then there is the Antrim masters team. Great lads out wearing the jersey at 40 years or more.....but is it really about representing Antrim or representing themselves? Most wouldn't think of crossing the road to watch Antrim. What's their reason for this? Are they waiting for their own careers to finish first lol.

Our pathetic support is only one outward sign that there are bigger problems beneath the surface. There's no doubt it is really frustrating supporting Antrim and we really could do with something to cheer about in the next year or two.










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« Reply #16190 on: July 27, 2018, 08:26:43 PM »
I am comparatively lucky. My uncle, who was Co. Treasurer at the time, took me to the U-21 football final in 1974, when Antrim lost narrowly to Mayo. I was at the 1989 senior hurling final, when we lost to Tipperary. I attended a funeral a couple of years ago for an Antrim Gael called Sean McNally, who was in charge of S. Antrim during the height of the conflict. During a eulogy, his son said that his dad's proudest GAA moment was Antrim's All-Ireland U-21 football victory in 1969. The problem is, with all due respect, we won't  compete at those sort of levels, ever again. We had limited national success in the old days, but we had some. It is hard enough nowadays to keep clubs afloat. The county will suffer, as we don't have any success whatsoever.  Nowadays, unless you provide instant & constant gratification,  you're of no real use & interest quickly dies away. Plus, there are so many  other better organised alternative attractions these days. Hence it is with Antrim GAA.
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« Reply #16191 on: July 28, 2018, 08:55:14 AM »
One thing I don't foresee is instant, that's the problem. The journey Antrim must make from being a bottom eight to a top eight is achievable, but it will take massive leadership, drive, buy-in, financial imput and luck.

Luck being that we need 20 -25 players arriving at the required standard at the same time. And this includes half a dozen players who could for example make a Dublin panel.

I'd settle for seeing a top eight team in my lifetime, that would be a notable achievement, and some good building blocks are being put in place.

Question PWTW1....Do you manage to get to a few county games yourself?

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« Reply #16192 on: July 28, 2018, 09:12:30 AM »
Nice to see you back BS, hopefully nothing serious kept you off the board as last while. Howís things in PG1?

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« Reply #16193 on: July 28, 2018, 09:35:02 AM »
There is such a malaise towards our county teams it is unbelievable. The basic truth of the matter is that 90% of club members don't give a flying fig about the county. This generalisation won't surprise anyone. But the question is WHY is this the case?

We have so many fly by night supporters. We took circa 8 or 10 thousand supporters to an Ulster final in 2009, yet against Carlow in our last home game there wasn't 100 people supporting Antrim.

What really gets me is not the taxi drivers Gold. Where are the many hundreds of ex county players who have donned the jersey over the years. Take minor football alone. In the last 40 years (take 30 as an average sized panel) there is 1200 alone. Or the numbers who have passed through development squads, many looking for and getting their free jersey.

I could name county stalwarts at senior level who represented us with pride, but you wouldn't see the vast majority of them out supporting us. What's that about?

Then there is the Antrim masters team. Great lads out wearing the jersey at 40 years or more.....but is it really about representing Antrim or representing themselves? Most wouldn't think of crossing the road to watch Antrim. What's their reason for this? Are they waiting for their own careers to finish first lol.

Our pathetic support is only one outward sign that there are bigger problems beneath the surface. There's no doubt it is really frustrating supporting Antrim and we really could do with something to cheer about in the next year or two.

Success wonít be built on how many people turn up at a game, My own club got success from a desire to wear the jersey, 10 people watching a club game as no affect on the players turning out for their club, one of Antrimís problems is making it feel that they are representing something special, pride and passion. If a player needs 500 people out watching him before he plays then heís turning up for the wrong reasons, the support is a by product of success, always has been..
Anything I post is not the view of the County Board!! Nobody died in the making of this post ;-)

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« Reply #16194 on: July 28, 2018, 10:41:10 AM »
Please MR don't interpret what I said as better support equates to success. God I wish it was that simple!

My main point was simply where has our support gone to...it's never been as bad. Second point....people are much more interested in their clubs atm,  Third point, our own ex players have deserted the cause completely, (why) and fourthly, we have massive work to do. Nowhere have I remotely insinuated that extra support would guarantee anything!

Regarding such fickle support we are pathetic. Everyone waiting for a magical run before they go to the closet to find their old colours. Either you get behind your county team or you don't. Sometimes it seems we have more experts on here than people who bother their backsides driving a mile or two to support their county.

Sometimes I think we simply don't deserve success....because compared to other counties we haven't got enough people who REALLY care.




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« Reply #16195 on: July 28, 2018, 11:00:01 AM »
Cheers PJ. A few months ago I decided to take a break from here. I'd changes going on at work (new business venture) and that was a big priority, and I was getting a bit tired of the same old rhetoric here. 

As it turned out not much has changed. Season one for Lenny and his support team on and behind the scenes was far from what was envisaged, and another year of same won't do. Players like Lennys set up, its definitely more professional than before....but Lennys remit is to deliver results too, so hopefully year two will see a clearer progress curve in relation to his impressive 5 year plan.

I wasn't avoiding here because of a fracas between ourselves and St John's. Our club committee has discussed discipline on the field at length, and we are being pro active about that as clubs should be. We will take our medicine whatever it Is, and when the matter has reached its conclusion I will offer my own appraisal of the situation. (The matter is still ongoing).

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« Reply #16196 on: July 28, 2018, 11:49:53 AM »
Please MR don't interpret what I said as better support equates to success. God I wish it was that simple!

My main point was simply where has our support gone to...it's never been as bad. Second point....people are much more interested in their clubs atm,  Third point, our own ex players have deserted the cause completely, (why) and fourthly, we have massive work to do. Nowhere have I remotely insinuated that extra support would guarantee anything!

Regarding such fickle support we are pathetic. Everyone waiting for a magical run before they go to the closet to find their old colours. Either you get behind your county team or you don't. Sometimes it seems we have more experts on here than people who bother their backsides driving a mile or two to support their county.

Sometimes I think we simply don't deserve success....because compared to other counties we haven't got enough people who REALLY care.
Do you really not understand why?
There is only so long people will bother traveling and paying in to watch absolute garbage. For many decades, we have been absolutely terrible (bar the odd year here and there). People, though they would like Antrim to win, have had their fill of soul destroying and and depressing displays of football which almost always ends in defeat for us when we play any team with half a notion of how to play football at inter county level. There are only so many games that people can sit through terrible systems of play being executed terribly before they decide theyíve seen enough to do them. Of course a glimmer of hope of decent performances and relative success will see people return. Thatís pretty obvious. Football is a product really and what Antrim have been serving up for over 40 years isnít attractive enough for people to continually buy into it.
That may seem harsh and is not reflective of the commitment our players put in but until the performances and results on the pitch improve, there is nothing to attract support.


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« Reply #16197 on: July 28, 2018, 12:51:20 PM »
Fair comment HS. I totally get the product isn't good enough, but even when we fluctuated between divisions 3 and 4 for years, there was always a decent crowd at our home games....maybe 800 to 1200 home supporters.....a guess I admit. The product wasn't much better then. People you saw at matches all the time have literally just stopped going. We hadn't 200 at Pairc Esler and even less in Tullamore for the qualifier against Offaly.

So why such an obvious drop off in support inside a couple of years? Has the product got THAT much worse?

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« Reply #16198 on: July 28, 2018, 12:57:42 PM »
Fair comment HS. I totally get the product isn't good enough, but even when we fluctuated between divisions 3 and 4 for years, there was always a decent crowd at our home games....maybe 800 to 1200 home supporters.....a guess I admit. The product wasn't much better then. People you saw at matches all the time have literally just stopped going. We hadn't 200 at Pairc Esler and even less in Tullamore for the qualifier against Offaly.

So why such an obvious drop off in support inside a couple of years? Has the product got THAT much worse?

Personally, im just sick of the county game in general, even on TV i find watching county football difficult and thats the top teams, this has filtered down to me going to Antrim games, i used to go to every championship game, most league games and the odd mckenna cup game. Its been at least a few years since i went to a county game, just got out of the habit and i have zero interest in going back just apathy i suppose. Flip side of that, ive driven to Toome, Portglenone, ahoghill and other places to watch club games as a neutral just as i find them more enjoyable. dunno what we can do about the county, suppose my point is i dont think the rapid decline in numbers is exclusive to Antrim, i think all bar maybe 5-6 counties are experiencing it.

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« Reply #16199 on: July 28, 2018, 01:10:47 PM »
Gold, you mention an outside manager being a priority. But the big question is how could that be funded. You mentioned Aidan O Rourke again as if he might provide the answer. Well he hasn't done it anywhere yet, at club county or university level, so what's your motive for thinking he would be the solution. And wasn't he given an opportunity to interview the last time round? At least the other two candidates Lenny and JMK had taken club teams to win All Ireland titles. Plus they both made excellent presentations. Of the three, AOR looked the least attractive and the costliest.

There's no easy answer to finding the manager that will please everyone.  15 (or more) South Antrim managers in my lifetime supporting Antrim have had a go...to little success ( bar big Whitey in 2000 but again this fizzled out soon after) obviously no one in the South West ticks the boxes because in 100 years we haven't had one, and if we go for the big name (say a Malachy O Rourke for example) the question is who is going to fund that?

It won't come out of county coffers that's for sure. Two thirds of the senior county expenditure in the last 5 years had been blown on the hurling side of things!

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