Seanie Johnston Switch and outside managers

[Jinxy]

I thought Meath did a pretty good job of doing that this year themselves by getting relegated to Div. 3.   

Useless as we are at the moment, at least we've never resorted to hiring mercenaries to play for us.
You'll win shag all with him and continue your long and proud tradition of winning shag all.

[heffo]

Come off it, we all know Croke Park stalled this so that Kevin's would already have played championship...

Really?

How long in your experience does the average inter-provincial transfer take? One that isn't contrived now...

Yes really. Are you honestly telling me that it couldn't have gone through last week? That the timing of the first round of the Kildare club championship had nothing to do with it? That Cavan Gaels or Cavan did lodge an objection, contrary to number two above?
You're trying to paint this as just a normal inter-provincial transfer that took the normal amount of time, that Croke Park simply processed it as they usually would. We both know that  from day one it has not been viewed that way.

I'm struggling to understand your questions.

Are you asking or stating that both Cavan parties made an objection? I've stated twice in the last few hours what happened there.

I'll be clear, this transfer, the third such application was processed in a normal amount of time.

[tommysmith]

In fairness it does look like they wanted him to miss the kildare championship.

[Ohtoohtobe]

Come off it, we all know Croke Park stalled this so that Kevin's would already have played championship...

Really?

How long in your experience does the average inter-provincial transfer take? One that isn't contrived now...

Yes really. Are you honestly telling me that it couldn't have gone through last week? That the timing of the first round of the Kildare club championship had nothing to do with it? That Cavan Gaels or Cavan did lodge an objection, contrary to number two above?
You're trying to paint this as just a normal inter-provincial transfer that took the normal amount of time, that Croke Park simply processed it as they usually would. We both know that  from day one it has not been viewed that way.

I'm struggling to understand your questions.

Are you asking or stating that both Cavan parties made an objection? I've stated twice in the last few hours what happened there.

I'll be clear, this transfer, the third such application was processed in a normal amount of time.

I'll reduce it to one question in plain English.

Do you honestly believe that Croke Park did not intentionally delay this transfer to stop Seanie Johnston lining out for St Kevin's last weekend?

[heffo]

Come off it, we all know Croke Park stalled this so that Kevin's would already have played championship...

Really?

How long in your experience does the average inter-provincial transfer take? One that isn't contrived now...

Yes really. Are you honestly telling me that it couldn't have gone through last week? That the timing of the first round of the Kildare club championship had nothing to do with it? That Cavan Gaels or Cavan did lodge an objection, contrary to number two above?
You're trying to paint this as just a normal inter-provincial transfer that took the normal amount of time, that Croke Park simply processed it as they usually would. We both know that  from day one it has not been viewed that way.

I'm struggling to understand your questions.

Are you asking or stating that both Cavan parties made an objection? I've stated twice in the last few hours what happened there.

I'll be clear, this transfer, the third such application was processed in a normal amount of time.

I'll reduce it to one question in plain English.

Do you honestly believe that Croke Park did not intentionally delay this transfer to stop Seanie Johnston lining out for St Kevin's last weekend?

Yes I honestly believe that.

[haranguerer]

I hope your committee is more adept Heffo (btw, did Dinny refresh your memory ok?) 

Come again??

You said you'd never heard of events as summarised in Lar narparkas post (and located by Dinny), despite the fact you're clearly all over the thread, and this was a very prominent post, commented on by quite a few other posters. I assume it must have been memory loss, for a committee member such as yourself would not stoop to lies 

[Dinny Breen]

The Flourbags are actually disgracing themselves at this stage.

Do you not have another managerial fiasco to be occupying yourself with?

[magpie seanie]

Come off it, we all know Croke Park stalled this so that Kevin's would already have played championship...

Really?

How long in your experience does the average inter-provincial transfer take? One that isn't contrived now...

Yes really. Are you honestly telling me that it couldn't have gone through last week? That the timing of the first round of the Kildare club championship had nothing to do with it? That Cavan Gaels or Cavan did lodge an objection, contrary to number two above?
You're trying to paint this as just a normal inter-provincial transfer that took the normal amount of time, that Croke Park simply processed it as they usually would. We both know that  from day one it has not been viewed that way.

I'm struggling to understand your questions.

Are you asking or stating that both Cavan parties made an objection? I've stated twice in the last few hours what happened there.

I'll be clear, this transfer, the third such application was processed in a normal amount of time.

I'll reduce it to one question in plain English.

Do you honestly believe that Croke Park did not intentionally delay this transfer to stop Seanie Johnston lining out for St Kevin's last weekend?

Yes I honestly believe that.

If Croke Park didn't want him to play for Kildare then why did they not just reject the appeal? Naw - just delay it a bit, that'll really sicken them....

[haranguerer]

Leinster Leader posing some interesting questions

http://www.leinsterleader.ie/sport/gaelic-games/still-questions-to-be-answered-over-johnston-s-delayed-transfer-1-3879301

(1) Why has a decision been delayed until now when this transfer was originally lodged with Croke Park on 22 March?

(2) One of the reasons given at an earlier appeal as to why the transfer request was held up was that Cavan Gaels and Cavan Co. Board were objecting to the move but now it transpires that neither Cavan Gaels or Cavan Co. Board lodged an objection within the ten day period allowed for such objections. So why was the transfer not granted once all other criteria was met?

(3) When Johnston's appeal was lodged (and heard initially) it was held under the old rule and prior to Congress changing the rule re a player must play with his club in the local championship prior to playing with the county, so with the transfer having now been granted does it come under the original rule (when the initial hearings were held) or under the new rule which only came into operation on Monday 14 May.

1. Third transfer application received by Croke Park on 02.04.12 - I've had lads moving from Dublin to other provinces who's transfer has taken longer. Once received by Croke Park it goes to Cavan County Secretary and from there to Cavan Gaels who have ten days to consider it. Third transfer application rejected by CCCC on 17.5.12 - fairly reasonable turnaround in my opinion.

2. See my previous post and the absence of a keyword from Cavan CB & Cavan Gaels. CCCC were not satisfied that he met the criteria for residency or for ethos. There were also questions marks over another issue which remain unresolved.

3. Quite simple, the rule that is now if force. If it were a competition that had already started by May 14th then it would be old rule, but clearly he must go by the rules in play now.

Will ya pass on my details to these fellas and I can clear things up for them before they go to print.

Lmao at you parading your inside committee knowldege round here, when it seems clear you're talking complete shite for the most part.

(1) 2 months for a transfer reasonable? On what planet??

(2) Cavan Gaels objected? Are you sure?

(3) Its about a transfer rule - what competition are you talking about? If the championship, the whole point is that this rule may not apply.

[heffo]

I hope your committee is more adept Heffo (btw, did Dinny refresh your memory ok?) 

Come again??

You said you'd never heard of events as summarised in Lar narparkas post (and located by Dinny), despite the fact you're clearly all over the thread, and this was a very prominent post, commented on by quite a few other posters. I assume it must have been memory loss, for a committee member such as yourself would not stoop to lies 

I think your comments are a little unfair.

Since day one when I first started posting on this topic most of the factual stuff I've posted has been derided as lies by various posters but all were subsequently proven true.

[mup]

I thought Meath did a pretty good job of doing that this year themselves by getting relegated to Div. 3.   

Useless as we are at the moment, at least we've never resorted to hiring mercenaries to play for us.
You'll win shag all with him and continue your long and proud tradition of winning shag all.

Sure didn't ye sign someone from an American Club there recently.

Last time I looked I thought I saw a Div 2 Trophy in the cabinet. Not much but better than 'winning shag all'.

[heffo]

Leinster Leader posing some interesting questions

http://www.leinsterleader.ie/sport/gaelic-games/still-questions-to-be-answered-over-johnston-s-delayed-transfer-1-3879301

(1) Why has a decision been delayed until now when this transfer was originally lodged with Croke Park on 22 March?

(2) One of the reasons given at an earlier appeal as to why the transfer request was held up was that Cavan Gaels and Cavan Co. Board were objecting to the move but now it transpires that neither Cavan Gaels or Cavan Co. Board lodged an objection within the ten day period allowed for such objections. So why was the transfer not granted once all other criteria was met?

(3) When Johnston's appeal was lodged (and heard initially) it was held under the old rule and prior to Congress changing the rule re a player must play with his club in the local championship prior to playing with the county, so with the transfer having now been granted does it come under the original rule (when the initial hearings were held) or under the new rule which only came into operation on Monday 14 May.

1. Third transfer application received by Croke Park on 02.04.12 - I've had lads moving from Dublin to other provinces who's transfer has taken longer. Once received by Croke Park it goes to Cavan County Secretary and from there to Cavan Gaels who have ten days to consider it. Third transfer application rejected by CCCC on 17.5.12 - fairly reasonable turnaround in my opinion.

2. See my previous post and the absence of a keyword from Cavan CB & Cavan Gaels. CCCC were not satisfied that he met the criteria for residency or for ethos. There were also questions marks over another issue which remain unresolved.

3. Quite simple, the rule that is now if force. If it were a competition that had already started by May 14th then it would be old rule, but clearly he must go by the rules in play now.

Will ya pass on my details to these fellas and I can clear things up for them before they go to print.

Lmao at you parading your inside committee knowldege round here, when it seems clear you're talking complete shite for the most part.

(1) 2 months for a transfer reasonable? On what planet??

(2) Cavan Gaels objected? Are you sure?

(3) Its about a transfer rule - what competition are you talking about? If the championship, the whole point is that this rule may not apply.

I'm not parading anything.

I'm not going to repeat myself ad nauseum. See my previous post and how accurate my posts have been since day one. I'll let others be the judge on that.

[Donnellys Hollow]

The Flourbags are actually disgracing themselves at this stage.

Do you not have another managerial fiasco to be occupying yourself with?

He has a point in fairness. Some people in the county need to have a serious look at themselves.

If he turns out for Coill Dubh at the end of June (McGeeney surely hasn't the power to demand another round of football championship?), who will make way for him? Moolick? Smith? Dowling? Fogarty? Brophy and Hurley (both Sigerson All-Stars this season Brophy for the second year in succession) have already been let go from the panel. These young lads are far more important to Kildare's future than Johnston.

We're not in that strong a position that we can afford to let these young lads drift away and this saga sends out completely the wrong signal to them. We haven't heard the end of this by a long shot and I can see it coming back to bite us on the arse at some stage.

[Jinxy]

The Flourbags are actually disgracing themselves at this stage.

Do you not have another managerial fiasco to be occupying yourself with?

You know I'm right.

[mup]

Ok Donnellys Hollow may I ask you this?

Remember '98 and the three 'outsiders' we had. I'm sure then we had three Kildare men lose their place on the panel to those same three outsiders. I don't that has done a whole lot of harm to Kildare football. Our underage set up has improved hugely over the past 4/5 years. These were the kids who saw Kildare reach an AI in '98 and spawned their interest in putting on the white jersey.

The outsiders in that case didn't do any harm at all to the future of Kildare football.