Noam Chomsky etc

[Itchy]

I know you're not asking me about the motives of Russia, that goes without saying, because like Chomsky and Pilger et al, you have an ideology that everything is the fault of the US and every narrative will be twisted to fit that worldview. If war broke out again tomorrow between Lilliput and Blefescu, you would think the US was behind it.

I also note that I asked you a question you about the Poles, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians and Romanians which you completely ignored. Let's talk about their motives, do they even exist to you? Or do you just dismiss them as many of the anti-US commentators of today just dismiss the Ukrainians?

What motivates Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Romania to join NATO and request US/NATO forces on their territory? 

This has panned out exactly how I had thought it would. You wont answer the question I asked and instead want to divert this to another conversation. Sorry, if you haven't the balls (please don't report me to mods again for using that word like a wee baby) to answer a question just say so sliver off to whereever you came from.

[ThomasMullan]

I know you're not asking me about the motives of Russia, that goes without saying, because like Chomsky and Pilger et al, you have an ideology that everything is the fault of the US and every narrative will be twisted to fit that worldview. If war broke out again tomorrow between Lilliput and Blefescu, you would think the US was behind it.

I also note that I asked you a question you about the Poles, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians and Romanians which you completely ignored. Let's talk about their motives, do they even exist to you? Or do you just dismiss them as many of the anti-US commentators of today just dismiss the Ukrainians?

What motivates Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Romania to join NATO and request US/NATO forces on their territory? 

This has panned out exactly how I had thought it would. You wont answer the question I asked and instead want to divert this to another conversation. Sorry, if you haven't the balls (please don't report me to mods again for using that word like a wee baby) to answer a question just say so sliver off to whereever you came from.

No need to throw the toys out of the pram. I didn't report you to anybody, the Mods must have deleted your foul post and also my first reply, presumably because it quoted your foul remarks.

The conversation has also gone exactly as I predicted with you scurrying away (again).

You run away because you (like your heroes Chomsky and Pilger) refuse to recognise that democratic countries have agency and have the right to choose alliances with other countries as they see fit. You completely ignore their concerns about Russia, seeing them only as stupid pawns in a nefarious American plot.

Your outlook on the world is that of an angry teenager with a Che Guevara poster on the wall. Moronic and simplistic.

[blasmere]

The US have been no saints in the past with interventions in a number of countries eg Chile and removing Allende.

That said Russia is a dictatorship and their actions are more nefarious than most, internally never mind Ukraine. China also with their "softer" approach (excluding the Uighur's amongst others which are less soft) to colonising half the developed world with infrastructure investment which is putting the US on the back foot to the point where Trump, if likely elected, will withdraw the US from a lot of world affairs other than greasing the palms of those who helped him.

Geopolitics is a dirty game.

[Itchy]

The US have been no saints in the past with interventions in a number of countries eg Chile and removing Allende.

That said Russia is a dictatorship and their actions are more nefarious than most, internally never mind Ukraine. China also with their "softer" approach (excluding the Uighur's amongst others which are less soft) to colonising half the developed world with infrastructure investment which is putting the US on the back foot to the point where Trump, if likely elected, will withdraw the US from a lot of world affairs other than greasing the palms of those who helped him.

Geopolitics is a dirty game.

And in the present

[ThomasMullan]

The US have been no saints in the past with interventions in a number of countries eg Chile and removing Allende.

That said Russia is a dictatorship and their actions are more nefarious than most, internally never mind Ukraine. China also with their "softer" approach (excluding the Uighur's amongst others which are less soft) to colonising half the developed world with infrastructure investment which is putting the US on the back foot to the point where Trump, if likely elected, will withdraw the US from a lot of world affairs other than greasing the palms of those who helped him.

Geopolitics is a dirty game.

And in the present

Which no one is disputing. It's explaining away the crimes of the other bad actors in the world to the point of apologia that is the issue with the likes of Chomsky and Pilger (and yourself).

Another example of this phenomenon - take the aforementioned Uyghur in China and what the great left wing, socialist woman of the people Clare Daly had to say about the matter quite recently.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

The US have been no saints in the past with interventions in a number of countries eg Chile and removing Allende.

That said Russia is a dictatorship and their actions are more nefarious than most, internally never mind Ukraine. China also with their "softer" approach (excluding the Uighur's amongst others which are less soft) to colonising half the developed world with infrastructure investment which is putting the US on the back foot to the point where Trump, if likely elected, will withdraw the US from a lot of world affairs other than greasing the palms of those who helped him.

Geopolitics is a dirty game.

And in the present

Which no one is disputing. It's explaining away the crimes of the other bad actors in the world to the point of apologia that is the issue with the likes of Chomsky and Pilger (and yourself).

Another example of this phenomenon - take the aforementioned Uyghur in China and what the great left wing, socialist woman of the people Clare Daly had to say about the matter quite recently.

Is that not what you are doing explaining away the crimes of the other bad actors in the world to the point of apologia?

[ThomasMullan]

The US have been no saints in the past with interventions in a number of countries eg Chile and removing Allende.

That said Russia is a dictatorship and their actions are more nefarious than most, internally never mind Ukraine. China also with their "softer" approach (excluding the Uighur's amongst others which are less soft) to colonising half the developed world with infrastructure investment which is putting the US on the back foot to the point where Trump, if likely elected, will withdraw the US from a lot of world affairs other than greasing the palms of those who helped him.

Geopolitics is a dirty game.

And in the present

Which no one is disputing. It's explaining away the crimes of the other bad actors in the world to the point of apologia that is the issue with the likes of Chomsky and Pilger (and yourself).

Another example of this phenomenon - take the aforementioned Uyghur in China and what the great left wing, socialist woman of the people Clare Daly had to say about the matter quite recently.

Is that not what you are doing explaining away the crimes of the other bad actors in the world to the point of apologia?

No. What I'm doing is looking at things from the point of view of Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Romania et al. NATO is needed for the security of Europe.

You won't, however, see me attempting to explain away the criminal invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, support of Israel and other things the US have done.

Itchy and the like, won't criticise Russia directly just in a catch all. A bit like a Unionist politician being asked to condemn Loyalist violence and coming out with the mealy-mouthed, 'I condemn all violence'. That's exactly what he does.

[Itchy]

What Itchy actually said

"USA and Russia are mirror images of each other"

"They are both selfish, self-serving tyrants and are ruthless"

Do you want me to put each statement in separate posts or something?

Russia is bad
America is bad
Russia is no better than America
America is no better than Russia
Putin is a Tyrant
Biden is a Tyrant

How else would you like me to spell it out for you??

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Is that not the same thing as Israel making out that Oct 7 happened in isolation and there is no context or history. You are setting the perimeter of what can be discussed.

[ThomasMullan]

What Itchy actually said

"USA and Russia are mirror images of each other"

"They are both selfish, self-serving tyrants and are ruthless"

Do you want me to put each statement in separate posts or something?

Russia is bad
America is bad
Russia is no better than America
America is no better than Russia
Putin is a Tyrant
Biden is a Tyrant

How else would you like me to spell it out for you??

You've actually just proven my point. Have you ever criticised anything Russia has done in a post without referencing the US?

Oh wait, you condemn all violence. Got it.

[ThomasMullan]

Is that not the same thing as Israel making out that Oct 7 happened in isolation and there is no context or history. You are setting the perimeter of what can be discussed.

No, discuss anything you like.

I'm simply stating the the 'US always bad' worldview doesn't stack up when they're actually a force for good in Europe empowering smaller, less powerful Eastern European countries' ability to stand up against revanchist, fascist Russia.

[Itchy]

I would just like to put on record on this post that I criticise Russia. They are a Roque state. Their leader is a dictator, a thug and a tyrant. Their actions are abhorrent.

I am not mentioning any other country here only Russia.

I hope this satisfies Thomasmullan who would like all criticisms separated out into individual posts for some reason.

[Itchy]

What Itchy actually said

"USA and Russia are mirror images of each other"

"They are both selfish, self-serving tyrants and are ruthless"

Do you want me to put each statement in separate posts or something?

Russia is bad
America is bad
Russia is no better than America
America is no better than Russia
Putin is a Tyrant
Biden is a Tyrant

How else would you like me to spell it out for you??

You've actually just proven my point. Have you ever criticised anything Russia has done in a post without referencing the US?

Oh wait, you condemn all violence. Got it.

I don't condemn all violence. I think Hamas should fire away for example.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Is that not the same thing as Israel making out that Oct 7 happened in isolation and there is no context or history. You are setting the perimeter of what can be discussed.

No, discuss anything you like.

I'm simply stating the the 'US always bad' worldview doesn't stack up when they're actually a force for good in Europe empowering smaller, less powerful Eastern European countries' ability to stand up against revanchist, fascist Russia.

The 'Nazis always bad' worldview doesnt stack up when they were actually a force for good in Europe for empowering Aryans.  Context is important I think.

[ThomasMullan]

I would just like to put on record on this post that I criticise Russia. They are a Roque state. Their leader is a dictator, a thug and a tyrant. Their actions are abhorrent.

I am not mentioning any other country here only Russia.

I hope this satisfies Thomasmullan who would like all criticisms separated out into individual posts for some reason.

Ok. Well said.