is there a war coming?

[customsandrevenue]

Why would you even post this?

you missed these sandwiches that we sold last year

shelf life of over a year? hhhmmmmm

[customsandrevenue]

Sandwiches just won't last as DrinkingHarp points out.

Less than 0.05 Gy: No visible symptoms.

0.05-0.5 Gy: Temporarily decreased red blood cell count.

0.5-1 Gy: Decreased production of immunity cells; susceptible to infections; nausea, headache, and vomiting may be common. This amount of radiation is usually survivable without any medical treatment-

1.5-3 Gy: 35% percent of exposed die within 30 days. (LD 35/30) Nausea, vomiting, and loss of hair all over the body.

3-4 Gy: Severe radiation poisoning, 50% fatality after 30 days (LD 50/30). Other symptoms are similar to the 2–3 Sv dose, with uncontrollable bleeding in the mouth, under the skin and in the kidneys (50% probability at 4 Sv) after the latent phase.

4-6 Gy: Acute radiation poisoning, 60% fatality after 30 days (LD 60/30). Fatality increases from 60% at 4.5 Sv to 90% at 6 Sv (unless there is intense medical care). Symptoms start half an hour to two hours after irradiation and last for up to 2 days. After that, there is a 7 to 14 day latent phase, after which generally the same symptoms appear as with 3-4 Sv irradiation, with increased intensity. Female sterility is common at this point. Convalescence takes several months to a year. The primary causes of death (in general 2 to 12 weeks after irradiation) are infections and internal bleeding.

6-10 Gy: Acute radiation poisoning, near 100% fatality after 14 days (LD 100/14). Survival depends on intense medical care. Bone marrow is nearly or completely destroyed, so a bone marrow transplant is required. Gastric and intestinal tissue are severely damaged. Symptoms start 15 to 30 minutes after irradiation and last for up to 2 days. Subsequently, there is a 5 to 10 day latent phase, after which the person dies of infection or internal bleeding. Recovery would take several years and probably never complete. Devair Alves Ferreira received a dose of approximately 7.0 Sv during the Goiânia accident and survived, partially due to his fractionated exposure.

12-20 REM: Death is 100% at this stage; symptoms appear immediately. The gastrointestinal system is completely destroyed. Uncontrollable bleeding from the mouth, under the skin and the kidneys occurs. Fatigue and general illness takes its toll. Symptoms are the same as before with increased intensity. Recovery not possible.

More than 20 REM. The same symptoms set in instantly, with increased intensity, then cease for several days in the "walking ghost" phase. Suddenly, gastrointestinal cells are destroyed, with a loss of water and excessive bleeding. Death begins with delirium and insanity. When the brain can't control bodily functions like breathing or blood-circulation, one dies. No medical therapy can reverse this; medical help is for comfort only.

(The following advice being given would be hard to follow but maybe the person would not feel like eating)
Unfortunately, you have to accept that a person may soon die. Though harsh, don't waste rations or supplies on those dying of radiation sickness. Keep rations for the fit and healthy, should supplies be in demand. Radiation sickness is prevalent among the very young, the old or sick.

[haveaharp]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16519304

Wonder how long it will be before Iran reacts. If "they" keep poking at them, its inevitable.

[Denn Forever]

Hit them where it hurts.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16526067

An Israeli hacker has published details of hundreds of Saudi credit cards online and is threatening to post more in revenge for acts by Arab hackers.

Last week a hacker, claiming to be from Saudi Arabia, published information about tens of thousands of Israeli credit cards online.

It was one of the worst incidents of data theft in Israel.

[mannix]

Of course nobody will claim responsibility but either the Israelis or the USA were likely responsible. I imagine the Iranians will start working overtime to get the bomb, what a troubled world we live in. Mayo better get a move on with winning that all Ireland.

[haveaharp]

Can the US and UK governments really sucker their respective nations with another unproven wmd claims

[thejuice]

The US is heavily involved in this undercover war against Iran. At the beginning of 2008, President Bush won secret approval from Congress to spend $400m to launch a campaign to destabilise the clerical leadership in Tehran. As well as gathering information on a possible nuclear weapons programme, it was aimed at supporting dissident minorities inside Iran such as Baluchis, Kurds and Arabs in the south-west of the country.

Clandestine operations were carried out inside Iran that included seizing members of al-Quds, a commando arm of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. Baluchi groups based in Pakistan claimed responsibility for bomb attacks in south-east Iran against Revolutionary Guard targets.

The US has also been accused of supporting Pejak, a Kurdish group based in Iraqi Kurdistan which is connected to the Turkish Kurd PKK and carries out raids across the border into Iran. Although Pejak officials claim contacts with the US, the group is small and has limited influence. Some of its former leaders allege that it is infiltrated by Iranian intelligence.

Despite the escalating crisis over Iran's nuclear programme, the US has found no evidence Tehran is trying to make a nuclear bomb, though US politicians often speak as if this was an established fact. The US Defence Secretary, Leon Panetta, went out of his way last weekend to deny that Iran was trying to build a nuclear device. He said that if it did so this would be a "red line" for the US.

The US National Intelligence Estimates on Iranian nuclear progress, the collective judgement of all the US intelligence organisations, said there was no evidence Iran had been trying to build a bomb since 2003. The Defence Intelligence Agency concluded that Iran's nuclear weapons programme at that time was directed against Saddam Hussein's Iraq and when he was overthrown by the US, it was ended.

Assassinations of Iranian nuclear engineers.
Previous victims:

11.01.12

Ahmadi Roshan Director of Natanz uranium enrichment facility killed by magnetic car bomb.

23.07.11

Darioush Rezaeinejad Shot dead by men on motorbikes in Tehran last year. He was initially described as a scientist working on Iran's nuclear programme but this was later denied. Analysts blamed the CIA and Mossad for his death.

29.11.10

Majid Shahriyari Killed by a car bomb attached in Tehran. The academic was "in charge of one of the great projects" at a nuclear facility according to Ali Akbar Salehi, the head of the nuclear programme.

29.11.10

Fereidoun Abbasi (survived) The attack on Mr Shahriyari was co-ordinated with another on Mr Abbasi, which left the latter wounded. He was appointed head of Iran's atomic agency soon afterwards.

12.01.10

Massoud Ali Mohammadi The particle physicist and opposition politician was killed when a motorcycle strapped with explosives was remotely detonated near his car.

15.01.07

Ardeshir Hosseinpour (unconfirmed) The scientist's death from gas poisoning was reported by Iranian TV a week after it happened, sparking rumours that Mossad might be to blame.

[seafoid]

http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2012/01/11/what-war-with-iran-might-look-like/

[Ulick]

Ireland declares war on Iran? I must have missed the Dáil debate where these sanctions were debated:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/23/iran-oil-embargo-mean-war

[give her dixie]

Today Gilmore backs sanctions against a country who dont have nuclear weapons, and have signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, and last week he entertained representatives of a country who havn't signed the treaty and are armed with over 200 nuclear weapons.  Guess that visit last week helped him make his decision.......

[Denn Forever]

Ireland declares war on Iran? I must have missed the Dáil debate where these sanctions were debated:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/23/iran-oil-embargo-mean-war

Should that not read EU instead of Ireland? 

Lisbon and its consequences how are ya.

[mannix]

Worrying times, if the Americans try to halt to oil going to china we will have a war for sure. Iran is one thing but a war between china and the USA would be catastrophe for us all. And last week Russia said it would defend Iran if anyone attacks it.
Somewhere in all of this somebody is going to lose face.

[seafoid]

Worrying times, if the Americans try to halt to oil going to china we will have a war for sure. Iran is one thing but a war between china and the USA would be catastrophe for us all. And last week Russia said it would defend Iran if anyone attacks it.
Somewhere in all of this somebody is going to lose face.

Israel is playing with fire and when the dust settles the region could look very different.   

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/feb/09/republican-nightmare/?pagination=false

By contrast, the most belligerent Republican on Israel and Iran has turned out to be Santorum: he asserted, in a recorded conversation with a voter on November 21, that "all the people that live in the West Bank are Israelis, they're not Palestinians. There is no 'Palestinian.'" A few days earlier, Santorum had said about the threat of Iran: "A country that is developing a weapon of mass destruction to use it to destroy another country must be stopped in a preemptive strike." And on Meet the Press on January 1 he affirmed his view in different words: Iranian leaders must open their facilities to inspection and begin to dismantle their advanced equipment, or the US will attack.
This statement comes at a moment of enormous tension—heightened by Israel's warmest supporters in Congress. The Iran Threat Reductions Act, proposed by the Republican Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of Florida, passed in the House of Representatives on December 14 by a vote of 410–11. This crudely assertive and possibly unconstitutional bill would prohibit all contact between Iranian and American officials without fifteen days' prior notice to Congress. Bill Clinton, in 1996, complained of the "scandalous electioneering" practiced by Benjamin Netanyahu from abroad.

Fifteen years later, ever since his visit to Congress in May, Benjamin Netanyahu has been working to intimidate the president and pull from Republican candidates and from Congress at large professions of loyalty to his project of bombing Iran to reduce its possible nuclear capability.
There has been a change, however, since 1996. Clinton's anger was registered in private. But it was Thomas Friedman, the American opinion-maker most highly regarded in Israel, who wrote in a column of December 13 that Netanyahu's standing ovation in Congress last May "was not for his politics. That ovation was bought and paid for by the Israel lobby." And five days later, there occurred a remarkable exchange on Fareed Zakaria's CNN program Global Public Square. The subject was how the Republicans try to outbid each other in submissive postures of unconditional loyalty to Israel; the immediate pretext was Gingrich's having said on December 9 to an interviewer for the Jewish Channel (a cable station) that the Palestinians are an "invented" people. Zakaria and his guests then passed on to the broader subject of avowals of love for Israel and unquestioning support for Likud policies:
Zakaria: Michele Bachmann trumps them all by saying, "I went to a kibbutz when I was 18 years old."

David Remnick: A socialist experiment, I might remind her. A socialist experiment. You know, as a Jewish American I find it disgusting. And I know what he's going after. He's going after—he's going after a small slice of Jewish Americans who donate to political funds—to campaigns and also to Christian Evangelicals. It's—the signaling is obvious. What they're doing is obvious. But what they're describing in terms of the, say, the Palestinian-Israeli conflict has no bearing on reality whatsoever. It's ignorance combined with cynical politics and irrelevance. It's really awful. It's really awful.

Zakaria: Do you agree?
Peggy Noonan: Yes, I do.
Zakaria: Gillian?

Gillian Tett [of the Financial Times]: I do. And I think that actually given the current moves in Iran at the moment and what's happening elsewhere in the region, that kind of rhetoric is likely to become more and more relevant going forward.
Zakaria: And then the other place where I noticed that there is some traction is Iran. There's this feeling, again, I think somewhat unrealistically that we're going to be tougher on Iran. We're going to be, so that Gingrich says he wouldn't bomb Iran, but he would effect regime change. Good luck, you know?

This was a breakthrough. Remnick's comment is especially notable because it gives up the euphemism "Jewish voters" and refers frankly to Jewish donors. It is millions of dollars and not just a few thousand votes that the pandering Republicans are trawling for. Meanwhile, Israel itself has witnessed a development germane to the Republican pledges in Iowa of implicit support for any action by Israel. The majority of Israel's intelligence establishment has actively argued against or publicly spoken to oppose the adventurist policy of Netanyahu and his description of Iran as an "existential threat." These last words have been discountenanced by the present director of Mossad, Tamir Pardo, and, more sternly, by the retired director Meir Dagan, as well as by the former head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate, Amos Yadlin, the former chief of staff of the Israeli Defense Forces, Gabi Ashkenazi, and the former Shin Bet chief Yuval Diskin. Opposition within Israel apparently succeeded in thwarting an initiative by Netanyahu to attack Iran in 2010. It remains to be seen whether it can do so again.

Probably none of the Republicans who clocked in at the Iowa debates to back aggressive US support of Israel against Iran was aware of this internal division—easily discoverable in recent stories in Haaretz and The Jerusalem Post. Such an uprising from the military and intelligence establishment itself, against an intended military action by an elected government, is exceedingly rare in the history of democracies. So we are at a strange crossroads.
The right-wing coalition government of Israel is trying to secure support, with the help of an American party in an election year, for an act of war that it could not hope to accomplish unassisted; while an American opposition party complies with the demand of support by a foreign power, in an election year, to gain financial backing and popular leverage that it could not acquire unassisted.

[give her dixie]

From an Israeli newspaper.  'Israel to Give Obama 12 Hours Notice on Attacking Iran'

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/151965#.Tx2JPGO2_T

Israeli officials told visiting USS Chief Joint of Staffs Martin Dempsey that it would give President Barack Obama no more than 12 hours notice if and when it attacks Iran, The London Times reported Sunday.

The Netanyahu government also will not coordinate with the United States an attack on the Islamic Republic, according to the report, the latest in a number of suposed scenarios concerning cooperation or lack of it between Jerusalem and Washington.

It is left to speculation whether the rumors are based on facts or are leaked by officials to mask the possibility of secret military coordination.

The London Times said its sources explained that that Israel fears that President Obama would try to torpedo an Israel attack if more notice were given because he is concerned that Iran will respond by blocking the Strait of Hormuz, sparking a rise in the price of oil that could cripple Western economies. If the attack were to occur in the next 10 months, it would put President Obama in a tight spot on the eve of his bid for re-election.

President Shimon Peres told Dempsey, "I am sure that in this fight [against Iran] we will emerge victorious. It is a fight that does not belong exclusively to the United States or Israel, but a global struggle to create a safe world for all peoples."

Dempsey, on his first official visit to Israel, was wined and dined by Defense Minister Ehud Barak and IDF Chief of Staff Benny Gants, who went so far as to arrange an IDF orchestra rendition of song made famous by Frank Sinatra, one of Dempsey's favorite singers.

Dempsey tried to play down the postponement of what was billed as the largest-ever joint military drill between the Israeli and American armies, involving thousands of U.S. Army soldiers.

Published reasons for the delay have ranged from budgetary constraints, logistical problems to a signal from Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu that he distrusts President Obama's commitment to stop Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.

Dempsey maintained that the delay, which was announced by Israel, will give both countries more time to prepare and "achieve a better outcome."

The top American general left Israel on Friday, before the Sabbath began

[thejuice]

Biggest importers of Iranian oil in the EU; Spain, Italy, Greece.

Shooting EUrselves in the foot, no?