Joe Brolly

[Sportacus]

Thankfully things have continued to evolve and for example Seanie O'Shea has come along playing a fairly traditional number 11 role.  Thank god.

[Angelo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWqDwD00rOA&t=2339s

Wow, explosive stuff, Moran comes out of that really badly. Always thought he had a real sneaky look about him.

On the money Lenny. He's unable to look anyone directly in the eye. Completely judased Coleman in 94 with a supporting cast of Mckeever and Gribben. Tried to slip into the driving seat but was told be the players (well 22 of the players) to sling his hook. Hung on for a year then slopped  off when he finally realised he wasn't wanted. Moran has cleverly crafted this humble, sincere, it's never about me image. He might think he's fooling everyone but he knows what he did in 94 and the players saw his treachery a mile off. No matter how good that team was, it was fatally fractured and the heart belief and together ness that was there under Coleman, was never going to be tolerated by the players. His eyes are the giveaway; the eyes of a troubled man who knows what he's done.

The problem with Derry is that they are so full of hate that they even hate each other. Moran is a decent man who went on to have plenty of success, there is a generation of Derry players who have a perfect fall guy for their own inadequacies. This revisionism is fine and keeps people like Brolly content with what they have achieved but the rest of the country know that this Derry team didn't have what it needed to win multiple AI titles and once worked out were very one dimensional. Everything went through Tohill and Brolly. Shut them down and you win the game. As mentioned before Jody Gormley easily shut Tohill down on numerous occasions. The Down team of that era were a much, much better outfit, I'm not sure any of Derry's forward line would have replaced any player on the Down forward line. Down will quite rightly go down in history as a great team, Derry won't.

Exactly, Moran foraged a very good managerial career for himself out after Derry and the one thing that is evident under the teams and players he had, is the huge amount of respect and admiration they had for him. Derry don't like introspection, they always want someone or something to blame for their failings and the extent to which they will go to that is as vicious and nasty as it gets.

Brolly is a prime example of that, the 94 game with Down was on there recently, Brolly had an excellent open 25 minutes and then he had a man changed on him, got a little roughed up and he did not want to know about it for the remainder of the match - he disappeared, in the face of adversity. For a man who has questioned Gooch and his inability to do it when the chips were down (quite rightly too), he wasn't much of a leader in troubling times himself. Brolly can talk the talk but unfortunately he didn't walk the walk when he was needed too many times.

But of course it's Mickey Moran's fault.

Really? Well if the question is, who was primarily responsible for Eamon Coleman being removed from his job in 1994? The answer is M Moran. After that, if the question is who's fault was it that Derry underperformed in the subsequent years....well if you can't see a correlation in what happened Eamon to the underperformance thereafter....players play for the jersey, themselves and the cause but a massive part of it is playing for the manager. The majority of that squad in 95 didn't want Moran there. Knowing that, it's amazing that we ran Tyrone so close in clones that day given what was going on.

The county board would have been primarily responsible, there was a big divide clearly between them and the players with Coleman stuck in the middle.

By the sounds of it there were some out of control egos in the Derry squad and that's the reason they did not do more. I think they finished themselves rather than Mickey Moran who proved himself to be an extremely capable manager elsewhere.

Typical Derry though to blame others and scapegoat a good man for their inadequacies.

[Angelo]

Thankfully things have continued to evolve and for example Seanie O'Shea has come along playing a fairly traditional number 11 role.  Thank god.

Sean O'Shea is a traditional no 11 type player but he doesn't play in that role for Kerry. He's more of a spoiler and workhorse of a player who gets up and down and can take a score.

[Sportacus]

Thankfully things have continued to evolve and for example Seanie O'Shea has come along playing a fairly traditional number 11 role.  Thank god.

Sean O'Shea is a traditional no 11 type player but he doesn't play in that role for Kerry. He's more of a spoiler and workhorse of a player who gets up and down and can take a score.

There's a lot more to his game than workhorse, spoiler and frees.  He's a class act, only 20 and pulled Dublin to pieces in last years final - has the potential to put number 11 back on the map.

[marty34]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWqDwD00rOA&t=2339s

Wow, explosive stuff, Moran comes out of that really badly. Always thought he had a real sneaky look about him.

On the money Lenny. He's unable to look anyone directly in the eye. Completely judased Coleman in 94 with a supporting cast of Mckeever and Gribben. Tried to slip into the driving seat but was told be the players (well 22 of the players) to sling his hook. Hung on for a year then slopped  off when he finally realised he wasn't wanted. Moran has cleverly crafted this humble, sincere, it's never about me image. He might think he's fooling everyone but he knows what he did in 94 and the players saw his treachery a mile off. No matter how good that team was, it was fatally fractured and the heart belief and together ness that was there under Coleman, was never going to be tolerated by the players. His eyes are the giveaway; the eyes of a troubled man who knows what he's done.

The problem with Derry is that they are so full of hate that they even hate each other. Moran is a decent man who went on to have plenty of success, there is a generation of Derry players who have a perfect fall guy for their own inadequacies. This revisionism is fine and keeps people like Brolly content with what they have achieved but the rest of the country know that this Derry team didn't have what it needed to win multiple AI titles and once worked out were very one dimensional. Everything went through Tohill and Brolly. Shut them down and you win the game. As mentioned before Jody Gormley easily shut Tohill down on numerous occasions. The Down team of that era were a much, much better outfit, I'm not sure any of Derry's forward line would have replaced any player on the Down forward line. Down will quite rightly go down in history as a great team, Derry won't.

Exactly, Moran foraged a very good managerial career for himself out after Derry and the one thing that is evident under the teams and players he had, is the huge amount of respect and admiration they had for him. Derry don't like introspection, they always want someone or something to blame for their failings and the extent to which they will go to that is as vicious and nasty as it gets.

Brolly is a prime example of that, the 94 game with Down was on there recently, Brolly had an excellent open 25 minutes and then he had a man changed on him, got a little roughed up and he did not want to know about it for the remainder of the match - he disappeared, in the face of adversity. For a man who has questioned Gooch and his inability to do it when the chips were down (quite rightly too), he wasn't much of a leader in troubling times himself. Brolly can talk the talk but unfortunately he didn't walk the walk when he was needed too many times.

But of course it's Mickey Moran's fault.

Really? Well if the question is, who was primarily responsible for Eamon Coleman being removed from his job in 1994? The answer is M Moran. After that, if the question is who's fault was it that Derry underperformed in the subsequent years....well if you can't see a correlation in what happened Eamon to the underperformance thereafter....players play for the jersey, themselves and the cause but a massive part of it is playing for the manager. The majority of that squad in 95 didn't want Moran there. Knowing that, it's amazing that we ran Tyrone so close in clones that day given what was going on.

What was the reason Coleman, or why was he removed from the manager's job?

[lenny]

What is shocking about that interview is the biggest fake news in the history of the GAA. Pure balder dash that is being pedalled as fact or that that Derry team were destined for 2 or 3 sam maguires. 1/ the county didn't and would never have had the togetherness to hold it together for more than a few months ever without killing one another.. rows were always bubbling - it's just how much weight you put on each one.  2/ from the time there were tales of mad fighting among players as well for all sorts of reasons- easy to blame Mickey Moran for that auld caper perhaps Joe?
That Derry team had  2 great corner backs/ a brilliant 6 a super
Midfield - well tohill had a shocker In the game that lost their title and 2 scoring forwards Brolly And Gormley. Nothing exceptional  about the group but the achievement in winning 1 all Ireland was a great feat for them. It will probably  never happen again for them instead of looking back derry football now needs to look forward..... to the 50 year anniversary. 
3/ Another point I would make is that the hateful blaming  of Moran dosent take away from the fact that against down as holders having the game of his life and a bit of rough moves on to him he stopped playing.. and This great Derry team lost. They were very easy to figure out... This was a great Derry team but down were better and won 2 and no doubt had plenty of tensions to manage also, but compared to the quality of Armagh and Tyrone in the noughties they were not a great team. To sum it up they were a great league team who got it together to win a championship but Coleman or no Coleman row they would not have won any more. That is fact.
4/ a final pick up from the interview is that joe had broken his arm in 1995. He was one of the 2 scoring forwards they had so it's not mickeys fault he had a broken arm. Yet Mickey gets the blame. Jody Gormley marked tohill out of it in 95. That was 2 years in a row that he had a poor day out at his peak. Jody Gormley should not have been for to lace tohills boots... why? Happened again too.
5/ the 90s was an unforgettable glorious era for Ulster football and both Donegal and Derry had their year out of it, but down won 2. They were the best team from Ulster during this period. Ulster team of the decade in my eyes. If joe thinks a One time team like Derry were great then he must have some-admiration for Mickey Harte's Tyrone team of the noughties.....

Too many people are comparing the Derry team of the 90s unfavourably v the tyrone team of the noughties. The only fair way to compare them is to compare like with like and if you do that you see that both teams won one all ireland through the front door. That makes them equal. Personally like many others I think with a back door Derry would've won at least 3 more all irelands which would put us one up on tyrone. I say that because I feel that Derry team all round was a stronger team than tyrone of the noughties albeit I have a lot of respect for that tyrone team. Don't forget that Derry won 4 national leagues in that time while tyrone only won 2 national leagues with their good team. That indicates to me that Derry were just a bit more consistent and if given the same back door chances tyrone got would definitely have capitalised.

[Angelo]

What is shocking about that interview is the biggest fake news in the history of the GAA. Pure balder dash that is being pedalled as fact or that that Derry team were destined for 2 or 3 sam maguires. 1/ the county didn't and would never have had the togetherness to hold it together for more than a few months ever without killing one another.. rows were always bubbling - it's just how much weight you put on each one.  2/ from the time there were tales of mad fighting among players as well for all sorts of reasons- easy to blame Mickey Moran for that auld caper perhaps Joe?
That Derry team had  2 great corner backs/ a brilliant 6 a super
Midfield - well tohill had a shocker In the game that lost their title and 2 scoring forwards Brolly And Gormley. Nothing exceptional  about the group but the achievement in winning 1 all Ireland was a great feat for them. It will probably  never happen again for them instead of looking back derry football now needs to look forward..... to the 50 year anniversary. 
3/ Another point I would make is that the hateful blaming  of Moran dosent take away from the fact that against down as holders having the game of his life and a bit of rough moves on to him he stopped playing.. and This great Derry team lost. They were very easy to figure out... This was a great Derry team but down were better and won 2 and no doubt had plenty of tensions to manage also, but compared to the quality of Armagh and Tyrone in the noughties they were not a great team. To sum it up they were a great league team who got it together to win a championship but Coleman or no Coleman row they would not have won any more. That is fact.
4/ a final pick up from the interview is that joe had broken his arm in 1995. He was one of the 2 scoring forwards they had so it's not mickeys fault he had a broken arm. Yet Mickey gets the blame. Jody Gormley marked tohill out of it in 95. That was 2 years in a row that he had a poor day out at his peak. Jody Gormley should not have been for to lace tohills boots... why? Happened again too.
5/ the 90s was an unforgettable glorious era for Ulster football and both Donegal and Derry had their year out of it, but down won 2. They were the best team from Ulster during this period. Ulster team of the decade in my eyes. If joe thinks a One time team like Derry were great then he must have some-admiration for Mickey Harte's Tyrone team of the noughties.....

Too many people are comparing the Derry team of the 90s unfavourably v the tyrone team of the noughties. The only fair way to compare them is to compare like with like and if you do that you see that both teams won one all ireland through the front door. That makes them equal. Personally like many others I think with a back door Derry would've won at least 3 more all irelands which would put us one up on tyrone. I say that because I feel that Derry team all round was a stronger team than tyrone of the noughties albeit I have a lot of respect for that tyrone team. Don't forget that Derry won 4 national leagues in that time while tyrone only won 2 national leagues with their good team. That indicates to me that Derry were just a bit more consistent and if given the same back door chances tyrone got would definitely have capitalised.

The only way to compare them is Tyrone won three whereas Derry won one.

The culture of egotism, treachery and lack of humility meant Derry only won the one.

[JoG2]

What is shocking about that interview is the biggest fake news in the history of the GAA. Pure balder dash that is being pedalled as fact or that that Derry team were destined for 2 or 3 sam maguires. 1/ the county didn't and would never have had the togetherness to hold it together for more than a few months ever without killing one another.. rows were always bubbling - it's just how much weight you put on each one.  2/ from the time there were tales of mad fighting among players as well for all sorts of reasons- easy to blame Mickey Moran for that auld caper perhaps Joe?
That Derry team had  2 great corner backs/ a brilliant 6 a super
Midfield - well tohill had a shocker In the game that lost their title and 2 scoring forwards Brolly And Gormley. Nothing exceptional  about the group but the achievement in winning 1 all Ireland was a great feat for them. It will probably  never happen again for them instead of looking back derry football now needs to look forward..... to the 50 year anniversary. 
3/ Another point I would make is that the hateful blaming  of Moran dosent take away from the fact that against down as holders having the game of his life and a bit of rough moves on to him he stopped playing.. and This great Derry team lost. They were very easy to figure out... This was a great Derry team but down were better and won 2 and no doubt had plenty of tensions to manage also, but compared to the quality of Armagh and Tyrone in the noughties they were not a great team. To sum it up they were a great league team who got it together to win a championship but Coleman or no Coleman row they would not have won any more. That is fact.
4/ a final pick up from the interview is that joe had broken his arm in 1995. He was one of the 2 scoring forwards they had so it's not mickeys fault he had a broken arm. Yet Mickey gets the blame. Jody Gormley marked tohill out of it in 95. That was 2 years in a row that he had a poor day out at his peak. Jody Gormley should not have been for to lace tohills boots... why? Happened again too.
5/ the 90s was an unforgettable glorious era for Ulster football and both Donegal and Derry had their year out of it, but down won 2. They were the best team from Ulster during this period. Ulster team of the decade in my eyes. If joe thinks a One time team like Derry were great then he must have some-admiration for Mickey Harte's Tyrone team of the noughties.....

Too many people are comparing the Derry team of the 90s unfavourably v the tyrone team of the noughties. The only fair way to compare them is to compare like with like and if you do that you see that both teams won one all ireland through the front door. That makes them equal. Personally like many others I think with a back door Derry would've won at least 3 more all irelands which would put us one up on tyrone. I say that because I feel that Derry team all round was a stronger team than tyrone of the noughties albeit I have a lot of respect for that tyrone team. Don't forget that Derry won 4 national leagues in that time while tyrone only won 2 national leagues with their good team. That indicates to me that Derry were just a bit more consistent and if given the same back door chances tyrone got would definitely have capitalised.

The only way to compare them is Tyrone won three whereas Derry won one.

The culture of egotism, treachery and lack of humility meant Derry only won the one.

Kerry, Rte and Joe all live under your skin. Surely to god there isn't room for the 1993 Derry team?

With no back door, Tyrone limp out against Armagh and 3rd div Down in the 1st Rd of the Ulster Championship. Different era's of football , so not really comparable

[Angelo]

What is shocking about that interview is the biggest fake news in the history of the GAA. Pure balder dash that is being pedalled as fact or that that Derry team were destined for 2 or 3 sam maguires. 1/ the county didn't and would never have had the togetherness to hold it together for more than a few months ever without killing one another.. rows were always bubbling - it's just how much weight you put on each one.  2/ from the time there were tales of mad fighting among players as well for all sorts of reasons- easy to blame Mickey Moran for that auld caper perhaps Joe?
That Derry team had  2 great corner backs/ a brilliant 6 a super
Midfield - well tohill had a shocker In the game that lost their title and 2 scoring forwards Brolly And Gormley. Nothing exceptional  about the group but the achievement in winning 1 all Ireland was a great feat for them. It will probably  never happen again for them instead of looking back derry football now needs to look forward..... to the 50 year anniversary. 
3/ Another point I would make is that the hateful blaming  of Moran dosent take away from the fact that against down as holders having the game of his life and a bit of rough moves on to him he stopped playing.. and This great Derry team lost. They were very easy to figure out... This was a great Derry team but down were better and won 2 and no doubt had plenty of tensions to manage also, but compared to the quality of Armagh and Tyrone in the noughties they were not a great team. To sum it up they were a great league team who got it together to win a championship but Coleman or no Coleman row they would not have won any more. That is fact.
4/ a final pick up from the interview is that joe had broken his arm in 1995. He was one of the 2 scoring forwards they had so it's not mickeys fault he had a broken arm. Yet Mickey gets the blame. Jody Gormley marked tohill out of it in 95. That was 2 years in a row that he had a poor day out at his peak. Jody Gormley should not have been for to lace tohills boots... why? Happened again too.
5/ the 90s was an unforgettable glorious era for Ulster football and both Donegal and Derry had their year out of it, but down won 2. They were the best team from Ulster during this period. Ulster team of the decade in my eyes. If joe thinks a One time team like Derry were great then he must have some-admiration for Mickey Harte's Tyrone team of the noughties.....

Too many people are comparing the Derry team of the 90s unfavourably v the tyrone team of the noughties. The only fair way to compare them is to compare like with like and if you do that you see that both teams won one all ireland through the front door. That makes them equal. Personally like many others I think with a back door Derry would've won at least 3 more all irelands which would put us one up on tyrone. I say that because I feel that Derry team all round was a stronger team than tyrone of the noughties albeit I have a lot of respect for that tyrone team. Don't forget that Derry won 4 national leagues in that time while tyrone only won 2 national leagues with their good team. That indicates to me that Derry were just a bit more consistent and if given the same back door chances tyrone got would definitely have capitalised.

The only way to compare them is Tyrone won three whereas Derry won one.

The culture of egotism, treachery and lack of humility meant Derry only won the one.

Kerry, Rte and Joe all live under your skin. Surely to god there isn't room for the 1993 Derry team?

With no back door, Tyrone limp out against Armagh and 3rd div Down in the 1st Rd of the Ulster Championship. Different era's of football , so not really comparable

I think you're getting mixed up.

I just find Derry football a little sad. I have great pity for guys like Eamon Coleman and Mickey Moran, good men and how they were treated within Derry GAA. I think there are massive issues within Derry GAA that will never be overcome until a little bit of introspection and acknowledgement is undertaken.

But in typical Derry fashion it's all about the scapegoats and bogeymen.

It's a little sad what Brolly has tried to do to a good man like Mickey Moran.

3 AIs to 1. Not really comparable.

[lenny]

What is shocking about that interview is the biggest fake news in the history of the GAA. Pure balder dash that is being pedalled as fact or that that Derry team were destined for 2 or 3 sam maguires. 1/ the county didn't and would never have had the togetherness to hold it together for more than a few months ever without killing one another.. rows were always bubbling - it's just how much weight you put on each one.  2/ from the time there were tales of mad fighting among players as well for all sorts of reasons- easy to blame Mickey Moran for that auld caper perhaps Joe?
That Derry team had  2 great corner backs/ a brilliant 6 a super
Midfield - well tohill had a shocker In the game that lost their title and 2 scoring forwards Brolly And Gormley. Nothing exceptional  about the group but the achievement in winning 1 all Ireland was a great feat for them. It will probably  never happen again for them instead of looking back derry football now needs to look forward..... to the 50 year anniversary. 
3/ Another point I would make is that the hateful blaming  of Moran dosent take away from the fact that against down as holders having the game of his life and a bit of rough moves on to him he stopped playing.. and This great Derry team lost. They were very easy to figure out... This was a great Derry team but down were better and won 2 and no doubt had plenty of tensions to manage also, but compared to the quality of Armagh and Tyrone in the noughties they were not a great team. To sum it up they were a great league team who got it together to win a championship but Coleman or no Coleman row they would not have won any more. That is fact.
4/ a final pick up from the interview is that joe had broken his arm in 1995. He was one of the 2 scoring forwards they had so it's not mickeys fault he had a broken arm. Yet Mickey gets the blame. Jody Gormley marked tohill out of it in 95. That was 2 years in a row that he had a poor day out at his peak. Jody Gormley should not have been for to lace tohills boots... why? Happened again too.
5/ the 90s was an unforgettable glorious era for Ulster football and both Donegal and Derry had their year out of it, but down won 2. They were the best team from Ulster during this period. Ulster team of the decade in my eyes. If joe thinks a One time team like Derry were great then he must have some-admiration for Mickey Harte's Tyrone team of the noughties.....

Too many people are comparing the Derry team of the 90s unfavourably v the tyrone team of the noughties. The only fair way to compare them is to compare like with like and if you do that you see that both teams won one all ireland through the front door. That makes them equal. Personally like many others I think with a back door Derry would've won at least 3 more all irelands which would put us one up on tyrone. I say that because I feel that Derry team all round was a stronger team than tyrone of the noughties albeit I have a lot of respect for that tyrone team. Don't forget that Derry won 4 national leagues in that time while tyrone only won 2 national leagues with their good team. That indicates to me that Derry were just a bit more consistent and if given the same back door chances tyrone got would definitely have capitalised.

The only way to compare them is Tyrone won three whereas Derry won one.

The culture of egotism, treachery and lack of humility meant Derry only won the one.

I'm going to ignore your opinion and once again remind you of the facts. To compare anything you have to do it like with like. It's hard to compare teams from different times but here are the like with like statistics. Derry 1 all Ireland and 4 national leagues Tyrone 1 all Ireland and 2 national leagues. Those are the facts, anything else is just opinion.

[Angelo]

What is shocking about that interview is the biggest fake news in the history of the GAA. Pure balder dash that is being pedalled as fact or that that Derry team were destined for 2 or 3 sam maguires. 1/ the county didn't and would never have had the togetherness to hold it together for more than a few months ever without killing one another.. rows were always bubbling - it's just how much weight you put on each one.  2/ from the time there were tales of mad fighting among players as well for all sorts of reasons- easy to blame Mickey Moran for that auld caper perhaps Joe?
That Derry team had  2 great corner backs/ a brilliant 6 a super
Midfield - well tohill had a shocker In the game that lost their title and 2 scoring forwards Brolly And Gormley. Nothing exceptional  about the group but the achievement in winning 1 all Ireland was a great feat for them. It will probably  never happen again for them instead of looking back derry football now needs to look forward..... to the 50 year anniversary. 
3/ Another point I would make is that the hateful blaming  of Moran dosent take away from the fact that against down as holders having the game of his life and a bit of rough moves on to him he stopped playing.. and This great Derry team lost. They were very easy to figure out... This was a great Derry team but down were better and won 2 and no doubt had plenty of tensions to manage also, but compared to the quality of Armagh and Tyrone in the noughties they were not a great team. To sum it up they were a great league team who got it together to win a championship but Coleman or no Coleman row they would not have won any more. That is fact.
4/ a final pick up from the interview is that joe had broken his arm in 1995. He was one of the 2 scoring forwards they had so it's not mickeys fault he had a broken arm. Yet Mickey gets the blame. Jody Gormley marked tohill out of it in 95. That was 2 years in a row that he had a poor day out at his peak. Jody Gormley should not have been for to lace tohills boots... why? Happened again too.
5/ the 90s was an unforgettable glorious era for Ulster football and both Donegal and Derry had their year out of it, but down won 2. They were the best team from Ulster during this period. Ulster team of the decade in my eyes. If joe thinks a One time team like Derry were great then he must have some-admiration for Mickey Harte's Tyrone team of the noughties.....

Too many people are comparing the Derry team of the 90s unfavourably v the tyrone team of the noughties. The only fair way to compare them is to compare like with like and if you do that you see that both teams won one all ireland through the front door. That makes them equal. Personally like many others I think with a back door Derry would've won at least 3 more all irelands which would put us one up on tyrone. I say that because I feel that Derry team all round was a stronger team than tyrone of the noughties albeit I have a lot of respect for that tyrone team. Don't forget that Derry won 4 national leagues in that time while tyrone only won 2 national leagues with their good team. That indicates to me that Derry were just a bit more consistent and if given the same back door chances tyrone got would definitely have capitalised.

The only way to compare them is Tyrone won three whereas Derry won one.

The culture of egotism, treachery and lack of humility meant Derry only won the one.

I'm going to ignore your opinion and once again remind you of the facts. To compare anything you have to do it like with like. It's hard to compare teams from different times but here are the like with like statistics. Derry 1 all Ireland and 4 national leagues Tyrone 1 all Ireland and 2 national leagues. Those are the facts, anything else is just opinion.

Sounds like you're doing a good job of ignoring the facts right enough.

Tyrone 3 All Irelands
Derry 1 All Ireland

To win 3 All Irelands, Derry would need to have won three times the amount they actually did.

It's gas the way it has Derry lads driven demented, maybe it's a good release in a way, as they just look across the county border for a bogeyman now rather than savage one of their own.

National leagues? 

Paidi reckons the Kerry fans were animals, the Derry lads are worse if truth be told, although you could only count about 10 of them at a game anymore.

[RedHand88]

"We had 'er before youns"

[lenny]

What is shocking about that interview is the biggest fake news in the history of the GAA. Pure balder dash that is being pedalled as fact or that that Derry team were destined for 2 or 3 sam maguires. 1/ the county didn't and would never have had the togetherness to hold it together for more than a few months ever without killing one another.. rows were always bubbling - it's just how much weight you put on each one.  2/ from the time there were tales of mad fighting among players as well for all sorts of reasons- easy to blame Mickey Moran for that auld caper perhaps Joe?
That Derry team had  2 great corner backs/ a brilliant 6 a super
Midfield - well tohill had a shocker In the game that lost their title and 2 scoring forwards Brolly And Gormley. Nothing exceptional  about the group but the achievement in winning 1 all Ireland was a great feat for them. It will probably  never happen again for them instead of looking back derry football now needs to look forward..... to the 50 year anniversary. 
3/ Another point I would make is that the hateful blaming  of Moran dosent take away from the fact that against down as holders having the game of his life and a bit of rough moves on to him he stopped playing.. and This great Derry team lost. They were very easy to figure out... This was a great Derry team but down were better and won 2 and no doubt had plenty of tensions to manage also, but compared to the quality of Armagh and Tyrone in the noughties they were not a great team. To sum it up they were a great league team who got it together to win a championship but Coleman or no Coleman row they would not have won any more. That is fact.
4/ a final pick up from the interview is that joe had broken his arm in 1995. He was one of the 2 scoring forwards they had so it's not mickeys fault he had a broken arm. Yet Mickey gets the blame. Jody Gormley marked tohill out of it in 95. That was 2 years in a row that he had a poor day out at his peak. Jody Gormley should not have been for to lace tohills boots... why? Happened again too.
5/ the 90s was an unforgettable glorious era for Ulster football and both Donegal and Derry had their year out of it, but down won 2. They were the best team from Ulster during this period. Ulster team of the decade in my eyes. If joe thinks a One time team like Derry were great then he must have some-admiration for Mickey Harte's Tyrone team of the noughties.....

Too many people are comparing the Derry team of the 90s unfavourably v the tyrone team of the noughties. The only fair way to compare them is to compare like with like and if you do that you see that both teams won one all ireland through the front door. That makes them equal. Personally like many others I think with a back door Derry would've won at least 3 more all irelands which would put us one up on tyrone. I say that because I feel that Derry team all round was a stronger team than tyrone of the noughties albeit I have a lot of respect for that tyrone team. Don't forget that Derry won 4 national leagues in that time while tyrone only won 2 national leagues with their good team. That indicates to me that Derry were just a bit more consistent and if given the same back door chances tyrone got would definitely have capitalised.

The only way to compare them is Tyrone won three whereas Derry won one.

The culture of egotism, treachery and lack of humility meant Derry only won the one.

I'm going to ignore your opinion and once again remind you of the facts. To compare anything you have to do it like with like. It's hard to compare teams from different times but here are the like with like statistics. Derry 1 all Ireland and 4 national leagues Tyrone 1 all Ireland and 2 national leagues. Those are the facts, anything else is just opinion.

Sounds like you're doing a good job of ignoring the facts right enough.

Tyrone 3 All Irelands
Derry 1 All Ireland

To win 3 All Irelands, Derry would need to have won three times the amount they actually did.

It's gas the way it has Derry lads driven demented, maybe it's a good release in a way, as they just look across the county border for a bogeyman now rather than savage one of their own.

National leagues? 

Paidi reckons the Kerry fans were animals, the Derry lads are worse if truth be told, although you could only count about 10 of them at a game anymore.

Once again I'll ignore your ignorant opinions. I've presented you with undeniable, unarguable facts. Anything else is just opinion.

[BennyHarp]

The only fact is that you are either good enough to win the championship or you are not.

[Angelo]

What is shocking about that interview is the biggest fake news in the history of the GAA. Pure balder dash that is being pedalled as fact or that that Derry team were destined for 2 or 3 sam maguires. 1/ the county didn't and would never have had the togetherness to hold it together for more than a few months ever without killing one another.. rows were always bubbling - it's just how much weight you put on each one.  2/ from the time there were tales of mad fighting among players as well for all sorts of reasons- easy to blame Mickey Moran for that auld caper perhaps Joe?
That Derry team had  2 great corner backs/ a brilliant 6 a super
Midfield - well tohill had a shocker In the game that lost their title and 2 scoring forwards Brolly And Gormley. Nothing exceptional  about the group but the achievement in winning 1 all Ireland was a great feat for them. It will probably  never happen again for them instead of looking back derry football now needs to look forward..... to the 50 year anniversary. 
3/ Another point I would make is that the hateful blaming  of Moran dosent take away from the fact that against down as holders having the game of his life and a bit of rough moves on to him he stopped playing.. and This great Derry team lost. They were very easy to figure out... This was a great Derry team but down were better and won 2 and no doubt had plenty of tensions to manage also, but compared to the quality of Armagh and Tyrone in the noughties they were not a great team. To sum it up they were a great league team who got it together to win a championship but Coleman or no Coleman row they would not have won any more. That is fact.
4/ a final pick up from the interview is that joe had broken his arm in 1995. He was one of the 2 scoring forwards they had so it's not mickeys fault he had a broken arm. Yet Mickey gets the blame. Jody Gormley marked tohill out of it in 95. That was 2 years in a row that he had a poor day out at his peak. Jody Gormley should not have been for to lace tohills boots... why? Happened again too.
5/ the 90s was an unforgettable glorious era for Ulster football and both Donegal and Derry had their year out of it, but down won 2. They were the best team from Ulster during this period. Ulster team of the decade in my eyes. If joe thinks a One time team like Derry were great then he must have some-admiration for Mickey Harte's Tyrone team of the noughties.....

Too many people are comparing the Derry team of the 90s unfavourably v the tyrone team of the noughties. The only fair way to compare them is to compare like with like and if you do that you see that both teams won one all ireland through the front door. That makes them equal. Personally like many others I think with a back door Derry would've won at least 3 more all irelands which would put us one up on tyrone. I say that because I feel that Derry team all round was a stronger team than tyrone of the noughties albeit I have a lot of respect for that tyrone team. Don't forget that Derry won 4 national leagues in that time while tyrone only won 2 national leagues with their good team. That indicates to me that Derry were just a bit more consistent and if given the same back door chances tyrone got would definitely have capitalised.

The only way to compare them is Tyrone won three whereas Derry won one.

The culture of egotism, treachery and lack of humility meant Derry only won the one.

I'm going to ignore your opinion and once again remind you of the facts. To compare anything you have to do it like with like. It's hard to compare teams from different times but here are the like with like statistics. Derry 1 all Ireland and 4 national leagues Tyrone 1 all Ireland and 2 national leagues. Those are the facts, anything else is just opinion.

Sounds like you're doing a good job of ignoring the facts right enough.

Tyrone 3 All Irelands
Derry 1 All Ireland

To win 3 All Irelands, Derry would need to have won three times the amount they actually did.

It's gas the way it has Derry lads driven demented, maybe it's a good release in a way, as they just look across the county border for a bogeyman now rather than savage one of their own.

National leagues? 

Paidi reckons the Kerry fans were animals, the Derry lads are worse if truth be told, although you could only count about 10 of them at a game anymore.

Once again I'll ignore your ignorant opinions. I've presented you with undeniable, unarguable facts. Anything else is just opinion.

You seem to be doing a good job of ignoring facts.

3>1

Let that bitterness exit your system or it will keep holding you back.