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« Reply #5175 on: September 15, 2019, 06:07:07 PM »
Christ is there any other sport in the world that obsesses as much about who’s analysing in the studio as opposed to what’s on the pitch as Gaelic Football?
Yes.

Yet to see it.
Irish soccer - Eamon Dunphy
Irish rugby- George Hook

English/Scottish soccer - Souness, Hansen, Sutton, Green, Gray

People who are or were whinged about due to their commentary/analysis.
No comparison except possibly Dunphy. Both share that platform  where their value to the program was measured in show bizz enigma, contrived controversy and box office value as opposed to actual valuable analysis.

Nonsense.
Brolly was rarely far off in terms of analysis. He only said what people thought rather than pontificating the usual dross clichés.
Truth hurts but honest analysis and opinion trumps soundbites and clichés any day.

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« Reply #5176 on: September 15, 2019, 06:45:04 PM »
Absolutely.  Yesterday's RTE analysis was rubbish. Safe, anodyne contributions may offend no-one but at half-time are only good for providing an opportunity for getting on with dinner preparations, getting the dog out for a walk or ironing a shirt for Monday.  Football is entertainment, not science or politics.  Half time analysis should reflect this.  What a lot of people on here regard as leading edge analysis, eg the Sky offering, is dull.  If all we are going to get at half time is such drabness, thank god I have a dog.

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« Reply #5177 on: September 15, 2019, 06:51:57 PM »
I'll go back to the Tyrone and Donegal game earlier this summer. I think it was the 1st live football game RTE showed. Brolly must have spent 5 minutes pre match talking about Corofin. Maybe other people enjoy that kind of "entertainment" but i certainly don't. Best decision RTE have made in a long time is getting rid of him.

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« Reply #5178 on: September 15, 2019, 06:57:59 PM »
Lots of chips on shoulders with the anti Brolly brigade, especially from counties against whom he has had a go, which is quite a few admittedly, including his own.  Wouldn't matter what he did or said.

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« Reply #5179 on: September 15, 2019, 07:07:53 PM »
Christ is there any other sport in the world that obsesses as much about who’s analysing in the studio as opposed to what’s on the pitch as Gaelic Football?
Yes.

Yet to see it.
Irish soccer - Eamon Dunphy
Irish rugby- George Hook

English/Scottish soccer - Souness, Hansen, Sutton, Green, Gray

People who are or were whinged about due to their commentary/analysis.
No comparison except possibly Dunphy. Both share that platform  where their value to the program was measured in show bizz enigma, contrived controversy and box office value as opposed to actual valuable analysis.

Nonsense.
Brolly was rarely far off in terms of analysis. He only said what people thought rather than pontificating the usual dross clichés.
Truth hurts but honest analysis and opinion trumps soundbites and clichés any day.
My hole, you've just  used  the two biggest cliches,
"Honest analysis" is the biggest cliche used to defend both Brolly and Dunphy's attention seeking dross.  Another Dunphy Brolly cliche "man of the people", both set themselves up to be the man of the people versus the machine.

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« Reply #5180 on: September 15, 2019, 08:34:51 PM »
Absolutely.  Yesterday's RTE analysis was rubbish. Safe, anodyne contributions may offend no-one but at half-time are only good for providing an opportunity for getting on with dinner preparations, getting the dog out for a walk or ironing a shirt for Monday.  Football is entertainment, not science or politics.  Half time analysis should reflect this.  What a lot of people on here regard as leading edge analysis, eg the Sky offering, is dull.  If all we are going to get at half time is such drabness, thank god I have a dog.

Why would analysis need to offend anyone? Isn’t that why Brolly got the boot? Because that’s what he did, continually.

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« Reply #5181 on: September 15, 2019, 08:53:38 PM »
Analysis should add something, e.g. understanding of the game beyond what you could do yourself, not just tell you what you already have perceived. Maybe something outside of the game.  For me, yesterday RTE's analysis was pretty rubbish.  In our house we started listening at half time, then fidgeted and faffed around until the game re-started.  One daughter even started homework.  Other houses might have been riveted.  Ours wasn't .

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« Reply #5182 on: September 16, 2019, 07:47:09 AM »
Christ is there any other sport in the world that obsesses as much about who’s analysing in the studio as opposed to what’s on the pitch as Gaelic Football?
Yes.

Yet to see it.
Irish soccer - Eamon Dunphy
Irish rugby- George Hook

English/Scottish soccer - Souness, Hansen, Sutton, Green, Gray

People who are or were whinged about due to their commentary/analysis.
No comparison except possibly Dunphy. Both share that platform  where their value to the program was measured in show bizz enigma, contrived controversy and box office value as opposed to actual valuable analysis.

Nonsense.
Brolly was rarely far off in terms of analysis. He only said what people thought rather than pontificating the usual dross clichés.
Truth hurts but honest analysis and opinion trumps soundbites and clichés any day.
My hole, you've just  used  the two biggest cliches,
"Honest analysis" is the biggest cliche used to defend both Brolly and Dunphy's attention seeking dross.  Another Dunphy Brolly cliche "man of the people", both set themselves up to be the man of the people versus the machine.

So let me get this right, instead of "honest analysis" where the pundits say what they actually think you prefer the standard cliche type analysis we saw at the weekend which could have been pre-recorded? Where no-one says anything controversial perhaps about a ref who is having a stinker or a manager who should be gone?

Some people can't separate their personal dislike of someone from what they actually say or do.
I didn't always agree with brolly and yes he went on the odd rant, but at the same time he was telling it as he saw it. It was off the cuff and actually gave a more relevant viewpoint than the blandness of mcstay or whelan.

I suspect rte will lose a few half time viewers in the absence of brolly.

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« Reply #5183 on: September 16, 2019, 07:51:14 AM »
Absolutely.  Yesterday's RTE analysis was rubbish. Safe, anodyne contributions may offend no-one but at half-time are only good for providing an opportunity for getting on with dinner preparations, getting the dog out for a walk or ironing a shirt for Monday.  Football is entertainment, not science or politics.  Half time analysis should reflect this.  What a lot of people on here regard as leading edge analysis, eg the Sky offering, is dull.  If all we are going to get at half time is such drabness, thank god I have a dog.

Analysis should add something, e.g. understanding of the game beyond what you could do yourself, not just tell you what you already have perceived. Maybe something outside of the game.  For me, yesterday RTE's analysis was pretty rubbish.  In our house we started listening at half time, then fidgeted and faffed around until the game re-started.  One daughter even started homework.  Other houses might have been riveted.  Ours wasn't .

So do you want analysis or not?

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« Reply #5184 on: September 16, 2019, 08:18:54 AM »
Have to say it was pretty 'meh' on RTE at half time. In fact would go so far as to say it was boring.
Recorded the game on Sky and it was much more informative at half time.

On the Saturday Night Game (or whatever to feck it was called) the lads were all in front of a big screen a la Sky however it was still far behind Canavan in terms of info and quality

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« Reply #5185 on: September 16, 2019, 10:09:23 AM »
Christ is there any other sport in the world that obsesses as much about who’s analysing in the studio as opposed to what’s on the pitch as Gaelic Football?
Yes.

Yet to see it.
Irish soccer - Eamon Dunphy
Irish rugby- George Hook

English/Scottish soccer - Souness, Hansen, Sutton, Green, Gray

People who are or were whinged about due to their commentary/analysis.
No comparison except possibly Dunphy. Both share that platform  where their value to the program was measured in show bizz enigma, contrived controversy and box office value as opposed to actual valuable analysis.

Nonsense.
Brolly was rarely far off in terms of analysis. He only said what people thought rather than pontificating the usual dross clichés.
Truth hurts but honest analysis and opinion trumps soundbites and clichés any day.
My hole, you've just  used  the two biggest cliches,
"Honest analysis" is the biggest cliche used to defend both Brolly and Dunphy's attention seeking dross.  Another Dunphy Brolly cliche "man of the people", both set themselves up to be the man of the people versus the machine.

So let me get this right, instead of "honest analysis" where the pundits say what they actually think you prefer the standard cliche type analysis we saw at the weekend which could have been pre-recorded? Where no-one says anything controversial perhaps about a ref who is having a stinker or a manager who should be gone?

Some people can't separate their personal dislike of someone from what they actually say or do.
I didn't always agree with brolly and yes he went on the odd rant, but at the same time he was telling it as he saw it. It was off the cuff and actually gave a more relevant viewpoint than the blandness of mcstay or whelan.

I suspect rte will lose a few half time viewers in the absence of brolly.

And I suspect they’ll gain many more viewers in the absence of Brolly.

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« Reply #5186 on: September 16, 2019, 10:14:57 AM »
Have to say it was pretty 'meh' on RTE at half time. In fact would go so far as to say it was boring.
Recorded the game on Sky and it was much more informative at half time.

On the Saturday Night Game (or whatever to feck it was called) the lads were all in front of a big screen a la Sky however it was still far behind Canavan in terms of info and quality

Agreed.

Anyone who repeats the mantra of Sky coverage being dull is someone who doesn't watch it.
Canavan and Donaghy are both very good, interesting and deliver their messages well. And yer man Carney, who used to be awful, has actually become a good middleman. Very quick to pull them up on incorrect predictions and has the craic with them. It took him a long time to become relaxed in front of the camera, but now he's managed it.

Rochford has his place on panels, but needs more studio experience to get better. Not a good replacement for Brolly for AI final. They should have brought in someone with more personality. Maybe they should have gone with T O'Se and O'Rourke, and leave Spillane and Rochford for the evening.

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« Reply #5187 on: September 16, 2019, 10:23:21 AM »
Have to say it was pretty 'meh' on RTE at half time. In fact would go so far as to say it was boring.
Recorded the game on Sky and it was much more informative at half time.

On the Saturday Night Game (or whatever to feck it was called) the lads were all in front of a big screen a la Sky however it was still far behind Canavan in terms of info and quality

Agreed.

Anyone who repeats the mantra of Sky coverage being dull is someone who doesn't watch it.
Canavan and Donaghy are both very good, interesting and deliver their messages well. And yer man Carney, who used to be awful, has actually become a good middleman. Very quick to pull them up on incorrect predictions and has the craic with them. It took him a long time to become relaxed in front of the camera, but now he's managed it.

Rochford has his place on panels, but needs more studio experience to get better. Not a good replacement for Brolly for AI final. They should have brought in someone with more personality. Maybe they should have gone with T O'Se and O'Rourke, and leave Spillane and Rochford for the evening.

Tomas is the best RTE have on the books at the moment.
McConville doesnt get much time in front of the cameras but plenty of time on the radio. His insight is always very good I find.
The Gooch is decent as well

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« Reply #5188 on: September 16, 2019, 10:36:21 AM »
I think a bit like Al Capone they were looking to pin something on him and decided on critisising David Gough in the end.

Most people put the kettle on, go to the bathroom etc as soon as the half time whistle goes then maybe tune back in again 5 minutes before the match starts again but when Joe is on it becomes a bit like the Jerry Springer show, basically he says something outrageous and the hypothetical audience boo e.g. Sean Cavanagh is not a man, really could have been that sort of cynical foul which cost Monaghan the game should have a greater punishment than a yellow card.  I don't think the Sunday Game needs the hyperbole.  If they could put 1 of these electric shock things on him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hOOGWLshtE he would be grand.  A gentle shock to the arm when it looks like he about to talk over someone half way through their point.  One to the b@llocks when he has taken his 100th dig at Mickey Harte during half time of the Sligo Leitrim match.
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« Reply #5189 on: September 16, 2019, 02:01:07 PM »
1) Criticising a referee should not be allowed by pundits. It just encourages the stupid on the football field to have a go too (especially junior level). It is okay to say that in their opinion a ref got a decision wrong (they're human), but that should be the end of it.f

2) It's a sad day when the mob decide that a pundit is no longer required

3) It's an even sadder day when pundits tell you what you just saw, are dull as dishwater and side step controversy 

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