Joe Brolly

Started by randomtask, July 31, 2011, 05:28:31 PM

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rosnarun

Quote from: vallankumous on April 04, 2017, 08:49:20 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 04, 2017, 08:33:14 AM


Leaving Joe aside for the minute, is Clerkin advocating journalists no longer protecting their sources? Great move for a lad looking to get involved in that side too   :-[

I'd say it is highlighted as it is very common. It could be good advice from Clerkin. In order for Brolly to keep his readers faithful he might need a better balance between on the record reports and off the record reports. It's an ethical conundrum. Does Brolly hold back on stories to get the balance right and receive more faith from readers on all stories or does he write every story for the sake of the story rather than the faith in it? This could also impact on his sources. Can I tell Brolly everything knowing he'll protect me as a source or do I tell him what I want published for the same reason?

there a big difference between some one protecting a source when receiving information that will save lives or make the country a better place, and  what a possibly imaginary friend's opinion is, which just happen to back up you own vendetta against someone or team
the guy is a coward , who may not be as well off as people think
If you make yourself understood, you're always speaking well. Moliere

JoG2

Quote from: rosnarun on April 05, 2017, 02:37:24 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on April 04, 2017, 08:49:20 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 04, 2017, 08:33:14 AM


Leaving Joe aside for the minute, is Clerkin advocating journalists no longer protecting their sources? Great move for a lad looking to get involved in that side too   :-[

I'd say it is highlighted as it is very common. It could be good advice from Clerkin. In order for Brolly to keep his readers faithful he might need a better balance between on the record reports and off the record reports. It's an ethical conundrum. Does Brolly hold back on stories to get the balance right and receive more faith from readers on all stories or does he write every story for the sake of the story rather than the faith in it? This could also impact on his sources. Can I tell Brolly everything knowing he'll protect me as a source or do I tell him what I want published for the same reason?

there a big difference between some one protecting a source when receiving information that will save lives or make the country a better place, and  what a possibly imaginary friend's opinion is, which just happen to back up you own vendetta against someone or team
the guy is a coward , who may not be as well off as people think

;D

You're taking the man way too seriously if you're resorting to this kinda nonsense

The Stallion

"the guy is a coward , who may not be as well off as people think"

Lol, what a clown, Brolly clearly gotten under his skin.

Franko

Quote from: rosnarun on April 05, 2017, 02:37:24 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on April 04, 2017, 08:49:20 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 04, 2017, 08:33:14 AM


Leaving Joe aside for the minute, is Clerkin advocating journalists no longer protecting their sources? Great move for a lad looking to get involved in that side too   :-[

I'd say it is highlighted as it is very common. It could be good advice from Clerkin. In order for Brolly to keep his readers faithful he might need a better balance between on the record reports and off the record reports. It's an ethical conundrum. Does Brolly hold back on stories to get the balance right and receive more faith from readers on all stories or does he write every story for the sake of the story rather than the faith in it? This could also impact on his sources. Can I tell Brolly everything knowing he'll protect me as a source or do I tell him what I want published for the same reason?

there a big difference between some one protecting a source when receiving information that will save lives or make the country a better place, and  what a possibly imaginary friend's opinion is, which just happen to back up you own vendetta against someone or team
the guy is a coward , who may not be as well off as people think

Lol... settle petal...  ;D ;D

redhandefender

Quote from: The Stallion on April 05, 2017, 03:05:43 PM
"the guy is a coward , who may not be as well off as people think"

Lol, what a clown, Brolly clearly gotten under his skin.

He is right though, if brolly is willing to go low!

Owen Brannigan

Quote from: Jinxy on April 05, 2017, 09:53:22 AM

No, he should just stop saying, "I was talking to a (insert county of manager Joe doesn't like here) player, and he was telling me..."
Where is he meeting these lads?
Is there a coffee shop in Belfast they all go to hang out?
He does it with such regularity that most people don't believe him anymore.
The idea that desperately unhappy county players are opening their hearts to Joe at every available opportunity is just not plausible.
Particularly in this day and age, and particularly with someone like Joe who you could actually imagine naming you on live television.
"I was talking to Jamie Clarke and he told me he'd like to pour a skinny latte over Geezer's head."


There is one on the Ormeau Road in Belfast where you will regularly find Joe especially on a Saturday morning for late breakfast.

The Stallion

It's all gone a bit 3am girls in here.

Beffs

Quote from: Jinxy on April 05, 2017, 09:53:22 AM

No, he should just stop saying, "I was talking to a (insert county of manager Joe doesn't like here) player, and he was telling me..."
Where is he meeting these lads?
Is there a coffee shop in Belfast they all go to hang out?
He does it with such regularity that most people don't believe him anymore.
The idea that desperately unhappy county players are opening their hearts to Joe at every available opportunity is just not plausible.
Particularly in this day and age, and particularly with someone like Joe who you could actually imagine naming you on live television.
"I was talking to Jamie Clarke and he told me he'd like to pour a skinny latte over Geezer's head."

That's the thing. Every other column and every other Sunday Game appearance, he is bringing up some person, player, manager, former player or team that gave him some "unique" insight into the state of the game. None of these stories can ever be verified. I have long, long since stopped believing him, if I ever did in the first place.

At some stage, his editor should be doing his job, and getting him to put his money where his mouth is and name and shame, or just shut up. I just don't believe a word out of his mouth anymrore. Every other GAA journalist out there (both the former players/managers and "proper" journalists) are able to get their point across, without having to resort to all this makey uppy tittle tattle, week in and week out. If Brolly isn't able to see how much it is cheapening his articles, his editor should be.

haranguerer

If you don't believe him then whats the issue?

BennyHarp

Quote from: haranguerer on April 06, 2017, 10:05:13 AM
If you don't believe him then whats the issue?

Other people do - that's the issue.
That was never a square ball!!

Franko

Quote from: Beffs on April 05, 2017, 07:00:51 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 05, 2017, 09:53:22 AM

No, he should just stop saying, "I was talking to a (insert county of manager Joe doesn't like here) player, and he was telling me..."
Where is he meeting these lads?
Is there a coffee shop in Belfast they all go to hang out?
He does it with such regularity that most people don't believe him anymore.
The idea that desperately unhappy county players are opening their hearts to Joe at every available opportunity is just not plausible.
Particularly in this day and age, and particularly with someone like Joe who you could actually imagine naming you on live television.
"I was talking to Jamie Clarke and he told me he'd like to pour a skinny latte over Geezer's head."

That's the thing. Every other column and every other Sunday Game appearance, he is bringing up some person, player, manager, former player or team that gave him some "unique" insight into the state of the game. None of these stories can ever be verified. I have long, long since stopped believing him, if I ever did in the first place.

At some stage, his editor should be doing his job, and getting him to put his money where his mouth is and name and shame, or just shut up. I just don't believe a word out of his mouth anymrore. Every other GAA journalist out there (both the former players/managers and "proper" journalists) are able to get their point across, without having to resort to all this makey uppy tittle tattle, week in and week out. If Brolly isn't able to see how much it is cheapening his articles, his editor should be.

With the amount of interest Brolly generates from his articles, I'd say his editor would be perfectly happy from him to continue exactly as he has been.  Even take this forum as a guide.  Has there been a thread about any other journalist/pundit that's even made 20 pages, never mind 200?

Beffs

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Quote from: haranguerer on April 06, 2017, 10:05:13 AM
If you don't believe him then whats the issue?

Because I enjoy reading intelligent, well written, well thought out, plausible journalism. Mad, eh ?  ::)

As for his editors being happy at all the controversial chatter he generates....fair enough. But If I wanted to read that kind of shite, I'd just go out and buy a tabloid rag.

Franko

Quote from: Beffs on April 06, 2017, 10:41:10 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 06, 2017, 10:05:13 AM
If you don't believe him then whats the issue?

Because I enjoy reading intelligent, well written, well thought out, plausible journalism. Mad, eh ?  ::)

As for his editors being happy at all the controversial chatter he generates....fair enough. But If I wanted to read that kind of shite, I'd just go out and buy a tabloid rag.

Why read the articles if they annoy you so much?  You've said that "Every other GAA journalist out there" can get their point across without resorting to the things that cause you such angst so just read their articles instead.  Seems weird that you would voluntarily subject yourself to such mental torture.

haranguerer

Quote from: Beffs on April 06, 2017, 10:41:10 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 06, 2017, 10:05:13 AM
If you don't believe him then whats the issue?

Because I enjoy reading intelligent, well written, well thought out, plausible journalism. Mad, eh ?  ::)


Well then you don't enjoy him, so don't read what he writes. Whats the issue?

Benny, you'll be a very busy person if you are going to try to police the media to mitigate other peoples stupidity.

BennyHarp

Quote from: haranguerer on April 06, 2017, 10:53:32 AM
Quote from: Beffs on April 06, 2017, 10:41:10 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 06, 2017, 10:05:13 AM
If you don't believe him then whats the issue?

Because I enjoy reading intelligent, well written, well thought out, plausible journalism. Mad, eh ?  ::)


Well then you don't enjoy him, so don't read what he writes. Whats the issue?

Benny, you'll be a very busy person if you are going to try to police the media to mitigate other peoples stupidity.

I'm not trying to police anything. I'm just saying that he throws comments out there (often of a very personal nature), people believe it and repercussions can occur. (Currently morons are discussing on social media who the Tyrone "mole" is!) If Joe is telling half truths or which many people suspect, just making things up, then this is not just a matter of saying "there's no issue if you don't believe it" or "just don't read it"! It's hard to ignore and reputations are impacted upon.
That was never a square ball!!