Joe Brolly

[Cunny Funt]

Not withstanding the error of the dropped ball, the bigger error here was the award of a penalty for what was a legitimate reach for the ball by Hennelly and indeed he succeeded in breaking the ball away from Paddy Andrews. The contact with Andrews comes after the ball has broken away. Now from the camera angle that gives Deegans view of the incident you can understand why he gave a penalty, which is why I believe we have to use video technology for big decisions like this where it is available.

I think even a video ref would have given a penalty for the contact that was made on Andrews. Hennelly lets be fair panicked after dropping the ball it was a double error and he didn't complain to the award of the penalty or the black card none of the Mayo players did either.

[Keyser soze]

That was never a penalty IMO, clearly reached in and knocked the ball away from Andrews.

[iorras]

Not withstanding the error of the dropped ball, the bigger error here was the award of a penalty for what was a legitimate reach for the ball by Hennelly and indeed he succeeded in breaking the ball away from Paddy Andrews. The contact with Andrews comes after the ball has broken away. Now from the camera angle that gives Deegans view of the incident you can understand why he gave a penalty, which is why I believe we have to use video technology for big decisions like this where it is available.

I think even a video ref would have given a penalty for the contact that was made on Andrews. Hennelly lets be fair panicked after dropping the ball it was a double error and he didn't complain to the award of the penalty or the black card none of the Mayo players did either.

Feck it, if we had only known that all you needed to do was complain about a referees decision to get it changed we'd have won the All Ireland. Although Cillian O'Connor complained to Conor Lane about Bastick picking the ball off the ground from the kickout after his equalising point in the first game, but he didn't give the free. He gave a free out for Evan Regan clattering into him. So does it only work if you complain about penalties or what are the rules?

[criostlinn]

Not withstanding the error of the dropped ball, the bigger error here was the award of a penalty for what was a legitimate reach for the ball by Hennelly and indeed he succeeded in breaking the ball away from Paddy Andrews. The contact with Andrews comes after the ball has broken away. Now from the camera angle that gives Deegans view of the incident you can understand why he gave a penalty, which is why I believe we have to use video technology for big decisions like this where it is available.

I think even a video ref would have given a penalty for the contact that was made on Andrews. Hennelly lets be fair panicked after dropping the ball it was a double error and he didn't complain to the award of the penalty or the black card none of the Mayo players did either.

Feck it, if we had only known that all you needed to do was complain about a referees decision to get it changed we'd have won the All Ireland. Although Cillian O'Connor complained to Conor Lane about Bastick picking the ball off the ground from the kickout after his equalising point in the first game, but he didn't give the free. He gave a free out for Evan Regan clattering into him. So does it only work if you complain about penalties or what are the rules?

No. It seems to works on 45's and black cards. But I think it depends on the colour of the jersey.

[Croí na hÉireann]

Not withstanding the error of the dropped ball, the bigger error here was the award of a penalty for what was a legitimate reach for the ball by Hennelly and indeed he succeeded in breaking the ball away from Paddy Andrews. The contact with Andrews comes after the ball has broken away. Now from the camera angle that gives Deegans view of the incident you can understand why he gave a penalty, which is why I believe we have to use video technology for big decisions like this where it is available.

I think even a video ref would have given a penalty for the contact that was made on Andrews. Hennelly lets be fair panicked after dropping the ball it was a double error and he didn't complain to the award of the penalty or the black card none of the Mayo players did either.

The contact came after the ball had broken away. If we take the same video ref protocol that is in rugby where clear concise pictures must show concrete evidence to give a decision, e.g. a ruck on the try line and if no video angle shows the ball grounded properly then a try can't be awarded. Not only does the video evidence not show a clear penalty infraction, all the evidence points to two players reaching for the ball and one breaking it away from the other.

[rosnarun]

Not withstanding the error of the dropped ball, the bigger error here was the award of a penalty for what was a legitimate reach for the ball by Hennelly and indeed he succeeded in breaking the ball away from Paddy Andrews. The contact with Andrews comes after the ball has broken away. Now from the camera angle that gives Deegans view of the incident you can understand why he gave a penalty, which is why I believe we have to use video technology for big decisions like this where it is available.

I think even a video ref would have given a penalty for the contact that was made on Andrews. Hennelly lets be fair panicked after dropping the ball it was a double error and he didn't complain to the award of the penalty or the black card none of the Mayo players did either.

The contact came after the ball had broken away. If we take the same video ref protocol that is in rugby where clear concise pictures must show concrete evidence to give a decision, e.g. a ruck on the try line and if no video angle shows the ball grounded properly then a try can't be awarded. Not only does the video evidence not show a clear penalty infraction, all the evidence points to two players reaching for the ball and one breaking it away from the other.

only problem is wed be still waiting for a final call if rugby is anything to go by.
it has become unwatchable as an event that clearly the ref has best view of is replayed to death and all the momentum is go from the game and of the call still looks wrong.
we should just accept referees are going to make mistakes and we are going to complain about them

[Croí na hÉireann]

Not withstanding the error of the dropped ball, the bigger error here was the award of a penalty for what was a legitimate reach for the ball by Hennelly and indeed he succeeded in breaking the ball away from Paddy Andrews. The contact with Andrews comes after the ball has broken away. Now from the camera angle that gives Deegans view of the incident you can understand why he gave a penalty, which is why I believe we have to use video technology for big decisions like this where it is available.

I think even a video ref would have given a penalty for the contact that was made on Andrews. Hennelly lets be fair panicked after dropping the ball it was a double error and he didn't complain to the award of the penalty or the black card none of the Mayo players did either.

The contact came after the ball had broken away. If we take the same video ref protocol that is in rugby where clear concise pictures must show concrete evidence to give a decision, e.g. a ruck on the try line and if no video angle shows the ball grounded properly then a try can't be awarded. Not only does the video evidence not show a clear penalty infraction, all the evidence points to two players reaching for the ball and one breaking it away from the other.

only problem is wed be still waiting for a final call if rugby is anything to go by.
it has become unwatchable as an event that clearly the ref has best view of is replayed to death and all the momentum is go from the game and of the call still looks wrong.
we should just accept referees are going to make mistakes and we are going to complain about them

I agree that video technology can be drawn out in rugby, which is why something must be immediately obvious or else it can't be given. Take the black cards the last day, two huge decisions. Video reviews would immediately show there wasn't concrete proof that Keegan dragged Connolly to the ground whereas it can clearly be seen that Cooper grabs Vaughans leg and trips him.

[The Aristocrat]

Just so I have this right between this thread and the all Ireland final thread.

Dublin peno was never a peno.
Dublin should have received 6 black cards.
Dublin should have received 5 yellows.
Dublin should have received 2 reds.
Dublin should have conceded 12 more frees than they should have.
Dublin should not be back to back all Ireland champions.
Some of you are comparing our game to rugby.
Accusations of a head butt that one person he alleged he saw but 82,000 spectators and millions watching around the world missed.
Dublin were lucky.
Poor Mayo
Poor Aiden O Shea.
Poor Cillian O Connor, poor thing.

Just wondering how Dublin won it in the end and led nearly the whole 160 minutes of play except for a couple of bloopers in the first half of the replay.

Again gentlemen, enjoy the winter, and winter well because by the sound of it, some of you are going to find it quite difficult to get through knowing that Sam is resting at home in Dublin.

[Fuzzman]

Are you offering a replay Aristo?

Lads, Brolly doesn't like all this non Brolly chat so can you please keep him in the middle of this discussion.
He just texted me there from some hospital along with Donald Trump.

[Main Street]

What amazes me about Brolly is how quickly people are to forgive him for his personal outburts.
The story of Cluxton wanting to punch him but then shaking his hand is typical of how Joe can use his personality and wit to bring people around to like him.
I'd say McGeaney and Grimley would be slower to put up with his chat. Did I read in one of his articles that he likes RTE as they put no limits on what he can or cannot say.

In my opinion, he seems to use the whole attending sick people in hospital and going to Novena masses etc as a way to balance up what people think of him. He does seem to put a lot of effort and time into that which is admirable but it just seems to highlight the other side of him as he attacks GAA players and managers at will.

I read that piece what Joe wrote about Stephen Cluxton and nowhere do I see that Stephen Cluxton was offering his hand or was being bamboozled by Joe's alleged personality.
According to Joe in his article, Cluxton said
"Before you do that (offer hand) I want to tell you that for years I thought of breaking your jaw. I will never forgive you for what you said."

Your point though has much relevance, but don't soil Stephen Cluxton

[whitey]

Anyone remember back in the mid 90s when a well known player's brothers (who are/were notorious hard-men) were going to give Spillane a hiding, and Martin Carney had to smuggle poor Pateen out of Croke Park in the trunk of his car. If Brolly keeps it up don't be surprised if someone takes a swing at him. He's definitely outdone himself this time out

[Cunny Funt]

Not withstanding the error of the dropped ball, the bigger error here was the award of a penalty for what was a legitimate reach for the ball by Hennelly and indeed he succeeded in breaking the ball away from Paddy Andrews. The contact with Andrews comes after the ball has broken away. Now from the camera angle that gives Deegans view of the incident you can understand why he gave a penalty, which is why I believe we have to use video technology for big decisions like this where it is available.

I think even a video ref would have given a penalty for the contact that was made on Andrews. Hennelly lets be fair panicked after dropping the ball it was a double error and he didn't complain to the award of the penalty or the black card none of the Mayo players did either.

The contact came after the ball had broken away. If we take the same video ref protocol that is in rugby where clear concise pictures must show concrete evidence to give a decision, e.g. a ruck on the try line and if no video angle shows the ball grounded properly then a try can't be awarded. Not only does the video evidence not show a clear penalty infraction, all the evidence points to two players reaching for the ball and one breaking it away from the other.

GAA a different game with different rules than rugby. The contact was enough to call for a penalty IMO. If Hennelly didn't make contact with Andrews he could well have knocked the ball into the empty net

[Croí na hÉireann]

Not withstanding the error of the dropped ball, the bigger error here was the award of a penalty for what was a legitimate reach for the ball by Hennelly and indeed he succeeded in breaking the ball away from Paddy Andrews. The contact with Andrews comes after the ball has broken away. Now from the camera angle that gives Deegans view of the incident you can understand why he gave a penalty, which is why I believe we have to use video technology for big decisions like this where it is available.

I think even a video ref would have given a penalty for the contact that was made on Andrews. Hennelly lets be fair panicked after dropping the ball it was a double error and he didn't complain to the award of the penalty or the black card none of the Mayo players did either.

The contact came after the ball had broken away. If we take the same video ref protocol that is in rugby where clear concise pictures must show concrete evidence to give a decision, e.g. a ruck on the try line and if no video angle shows the ball grounded properly then a try can't be awarded. Not only does the video evidence not show a clear penalty infraction, all the evidence points to two players reaching for the ball and one breaking it away from the other.

GAA a different game with different rules than rugby. The contact was enough to call for a penalty IMO. If Hennelly didn't make contact with Andrews he could well have knocked the ball into the empty net

That would have proved hard to accomplish since the ball broke straight over to Keith Higgins. There is contact for every tussle/reach for a ball, doesn't mean an infraction occurred.

[Buttofthehill]

Could it not be argued that Hennelly denied Andrews the chance to challenge Higgins for the breaking ball then? This notion that getting to the ball first=no foul is a sky sports soccer thing. It's possible to get to the ball first and then commit the foul which is what Hennelly did.

[Croí na hÉireann]

Could it not be argued that Hennelly denied Andrews the chance to challenge Higgins for the breaking ball then? This notion that getting to the ball first=no foul is a sky sports soccer thing. It's possible to get to the ball first and then commit the foul which is what Hennelly did.

The rule states that "the tackle is aimed at the ball, not the player" and that "deliberate bodily contact is forbidden". There is nothing deliberate (bodily contact wise) in reaching for and breaking away the ball.