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« Reply #165 on: May 13, 2012, 01:24:07 AM »
Some remarkable comments on here.

Midlouth had him so bad it,  'felt it was necessary to roll around on the ground for a couple of minutes.'

You can't help but feel we're dealing with idiots.

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Canavan was a class act and one of the top players of the past 20 years who always led by example on the field

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« Reply #166 on: May 13, 2012, 01:42:16 AM »
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one of the top players of the past 20 years who always led by example on the field

Quite a few in Tyrone followed his example, to be sure.
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« Reply #167 on: May 13, 2012, 03:29:23 AM »
He wasn't so special when he tried it on with Johnny McBride ... He was up to all sorts all the time and because he was a small man he got away with it more often than not!!! I have no sympathy for Canavan ever and he should have been the one booked for that appalling dive!!!!

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Re: Joe Brolly
« Reply #168 on: May 13, 2012, 08:53:19 AM »
Authorities lying down to football’s con artists

Joe Brolly


Published on Friday 11 May 2012 13:05

With 12 minutes to go in the 1972 All Ireland Hurling Final, the ‘Cats’ were in dire straits, trailing by eight points to a rampant Cork. Eddie Keher won a ball near the touchline and took a ferocious belt of a hurl in his unguarded face.

Undaunted, he soloed through and drove a remarkable goal to the net. He turned and went back to his position, his face a mask of blood from the deep gash over his eye. The stitches could wait. Keher’s goal launched a legendary turnaround. He had been well held until that point but after the ‘belt’ went into overdrive. By the final whistle he had 2-9 to his name and Kilkenny were champions by seven points. It was a glorious and honourable day.

Mike Mac, Clare trainer during Ger Loughnane’s glorious reign, famously said “Men win All-Irelands.” In hurling, this is true. I vividly remember sitting in the Cusack stand for the epic ‘09 final. Tommy Walsh was just in front of us when he got a powerful belt in the face from Tipp’s Benny Dunne. The force of it knocked him to the ground but Walsh got straight back up, snarling. Dunne was sent off because the referee had no option, not because Tommy was writhing around on the grass. Hurlers are men of honour. They zealously guard their dignity. Neither I nor anyone in the RTE Sports Department could recall an instance of a hurler feigning injury to get an opponent carded. This is because it does not happen.

The same can no longer be said of Gaelic football. There is a joke that did the rounds a few years ago: Q. Why do hurlers not feign injury? A. Because Tyrone don’t play hurling.

In a 2002 World Cup group game, Brazil’s Rivaldo was waiting for the ball to take a corner kick against Turkey. A Turkish player kicked the ball towards him as Rivaldo was looking the other way. The lightweight FIFA ball struck him below the knee. The Brazilian dropped to the turf clutching his face, then writhed around in agony on the ground until the referee produced a red card for the hapless Turk. We laughed and smugly shook our heads, certain that such dishonourable behaviour would never deface our game. We’re not laughing now.

The following year, the Tyrone bandwaggon rolled into town and the virus of feigning injury was injected into the game. In the first round replay against Derry at Casement, Sean Kavanagh and Derry’s Padraig O’Kane ran across each other near the sideline. Sean went down clutching his face. O’Kane was sent off. Slow motion replay revealed minimal contact. In the Ulster final a month later, Down’s Gregory McCartan had a free awarded against him and petulantly tossed the ball towards Brian McGuigan who went down hard, hands glued to his face. Another red card. In that year’s All-Ireland semi-final versus Kerry, Peter Canavan tried to get Michael McCarthy sent off in the eighth minute in an absolutely shocking incident that has become immortalised on youtube. During a break in play, McCarthy was standing with his back to Peter with his arms outstretched. Canavan ran from behind into his arm, then went to ground clutching his face. McCarthy was yellow carded. Type ‘Peter Canavan hits the deck’ into your search engine and watch open-mouthed as the incident unfolds. Wee Peter dived so much that year a cartoon appeared of him on the internet in his Tyrone kit, wearing a snorkel and flippers.

The lowest point came in the final when Philip Jordan ran into Diarmuid Marsden off the ball, then went down rolling in anguish on the ground, cradling his jaw. The referee was conned and Marsden was red carded. When Central Council reviewed the video footage a few weeks later they revoked the red card and cleared the Armagh man. In his autobiography Joe Kernan’s outrage was still palpable. He wrote of being, “disgusted by the actions of at least one Tyrone player who mockingly clapped Diarmaid off the pitch.” The video is still on YouTube. Afterwards, Marsden - a man of integrity - was particularly distraught that his daughter when she grew up would find out her father had been sent off in an All Ireland final. As Kernan put it in his book, “thankfully, at least a good man’s name was cleared.” Colm Cavanagh did it for Derry’s James Conway in this year’s McKenna Cup final. There was no contact between them at all. Big Colm, all 6’3’’ and 15 stone of him, went down in agony. James was red carded. A somewhat sheepish CHC rescinded it when they watched the video and realised the referee had been taken for a ride. It has become commonplace.

When Kerry’s Aidan O’Mahoney got Cork’s Donnacha O’Connor sent off in the 2008 semi-final in another YouTube classic, it was another nail in the coffin of sportsmanship. Again, the card was rescinded on appeal. Dublin’s Diarmuid Connolly suffered the same fate in last year’s semi-final. Donegal’s Marty Boyle shouldered Connolly off the ball, Connolly pushed him back in the shoulder and Marty was suddenly unconscious. The Red card was rescinded.

In the recent NFL final, when Mayo’s Donal Vaughan took on the role of ham actor, throwing himself backwards to the ground holding his face after a minor shoving match with Cork’s Fintan Goold, I said on television that it was a disgrace that was disfiguring the game. Surprisingly, this provoked a massive wave of protest from Mayo folk, which tells you all you need to know about how the ethos of the game has changed. My cousin John plays full back for Dungannon RFC. He told me this week that anyone feigning injury in a rugby game to get an opponent carded would be ostracised by their team mates and club members. It used to be like this in our own game, but not any longer. Not only is it acceptable to cheat, it is now unacceptable to criticise the practice. Sadly, Men no longer win football All-Irelands.
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Re: Joe Brolly
« Reply #169 on: May 13, 2012, 09:38:56 AM »
Brolly's research seems to involve a sweep of youtube.

Marsden's red card was rescinded on a technicality. When Kernan et al headed up to HQ to present their case, the ban stood after analysing video footage. Later, they managed to get the ban overturned when Armagh appealed to Central Council on a procedural matter, stating that the GAC had failed to clarify with them if the referee had consulted with an umpire on the day.

The Brian McGuigan incident was definitely shameful.

But why has Brolly taken 9 years to have the balls to say what he feels?
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Re: Joe Brolly
« Reply #170 on: May 13, 2012, 10:38:32 AM »
Jesus A'Nail an article that long and the best you can come up with is 'why did it take brolly that long to say it?'. Personally I think he has it spot on. At least he says what he thinks and not writing for the sake of creating a bit of controversy. And what does YouTube have to do with it? Very good source, watching the incidents in question.

I completely agree with him. Hurlers put the footballers to shame. Rugby players too have it spot on. Whatever happened to pride and dignity?

I'm not just talking about Tyrone, it happens everywhere and sadly it's commonplace in club games throughout the country too. I find it sad the way our game has gone. Something needs to be done sooner rather than later.

I used to be a massive soccer fan. Once the diving came into the English premiership I completely lost all interest. I would seriously hope the same does not happen to the football. Would be a very sad day for me.
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Re: Joe Brolly
« Reply #171 on: May 13, 2012, 11:09:27 AM »
Why do Tyrone people argue a black crow's white?

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« Reply #172 on: May 13, 2012, 11:47:47 AM »
Some remarkable comments on here.

Midlouth had him so bad it,  'felt it was necessary to roll around on the ground for a couple of minutes.'

You can't help but feel we're dealing with idiots.

Ah O'Neill it isn't like you to resort to insults, maybe it wasn't minutes but it made a lot out of nothing imo, if a soccer player did that he'd be slated. Other than that McCarthy must have the hardest hands in Ireland.

And I'm not questioning Canavan credentials, just this incident on its own, obviously was still a very good player.

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« Reply #173 on: May 13, 2012, 12:01:24 PM »
Rugby isn't the clean sport Joe or cousin John claims it is -


I didn’t think it would escalate to the stage it did do,” he said, “purely because we all knew that it [faking blood injuries] was something which was happening on a regular basis at other clubs.”

Later in the interview, Richards, to earn money during his three-year ban which ends in August, said: “I go to dinners, even to some junior clubs, and people were saying, ‘God, we do it [cheating] week in week out…’ "Whether people will say it was or was not [going on] is another thing, but most clubs that I’ve been to – and I don’t think there’s one that I haven’t been to whereby they said it wasn’t going on… In my eyes it was pretty prevalent.”

In September 2009 the Rugby Football Union published its investigation into Richards’s allegations that cheating was widespread. Professional players were asked to contribute to a survey and 129 responded. Of those, five per cent admitted that they had come across faking a blood injury in Test matches and 10 per cent in Premiership and European Cup fixtures.

On the subject of using medical actions to gain an unfair competitive advantage before or during a match, eight per cent said they were aware of it occurring in international games in England or overseas and 15 per cent in Premiership and European contests.

The RFU chose to highlight the fact that the bulk of the contributors had witnessed or experienced nothing of the sort and booted the matter into touch. But Richards, from his recent foray into the after-dinner circuit, is clearly convinced that he was not acting in isolation, and he was supported in that view by a number of professional colleagues at the time.

Three years on Bloodgate remains a stain that can’t be washed clean.

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Re: Joe Brolly
« Reply #174 on: May 13, 2012, 12:03:11 PM »
Brolly's research seems to involve a sweep of youtube.

Marsden's red card was rescinded on a technicality. When Kernan et al headed up to HQ to present their case, the ban stood after analysing video footage. Later, they managed to get the ban overturned when Armagh appealed to Central Council on a procedural matter, stating that the GAC had failed to clarify with them if the referee had consulted with an umpire on the day.

The Brian McGuigan incident was definitely shameful.

But why has Brolly taken 9 years to have the balls to say what he feels?
Desperate stuff. Embarrassing yourself now.

Brolly is a bollocks of that there is no doubt but he is 100% correct. With the more professional attitude of the early 2000s Tyrone brought the professional attitude to gaining a competitive advantage. I call it cheating. Canavan had a history of it and Cavanagh is an embarrassment. He's over 6 foot and about 15 stone yet he goes over like a 2 year old.

There are none blind as those who will not see.

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« Reply #175 on: May 13, 2012, 01:02:23 PM »
What's desperate and how is it embarrassing? Because I challenge the accuracy and motive? I acknowledged the McGuigan incident was shameful.

Why is Brolly singling Tyrone out in a couple of incidents from 9 years ago? When he attempts to do it, you'd think he'd be accurate. Where's this slow motion replay of the Cavanagh incident which shows minimal contact? He has made that bit up. He's inaccurate with the Marsden story.
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« Reply #176 on: May 13, 2012, 01:12:01 PM »
I thought Tyrone 'dived' their way to their first All-Ireland I had much more respect for them in their other 2 All-Ireland victories as they played better football and cut the diving shite. their first all-ireland was tarnished by this which is something awful as most counties remember their first success the best  and most cherished.

A few weeks after tyrone's first success me and me cousin started to do a 'diving dance' in front of dooher at a popular bar in Derry City; i thought he was gonna clamp us. Young and stupid in those days and we had a few drinks in us.

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Re: Joe Brolly
« Reply #177 on: May 13, 2012, 01:16:02 PM »
Some remarkable comments on here.

Midlouth had him so bad it,  'felt it was necessary to roll around on the ground for a couple of minutes.'

You can't help but feel we're dealing with idiots.

Ah O'Neill it isn't like you to resort to insults, maybe it wasn't minutes but it made a lot out of nothing imo, if a soccer player did that he'd be slated. Other than that McCarthy must have the hardest hands in Ireland.

And I'm not questioning Canavan credentials, just this incident on its own, obviously was still a very good player.

Apologies Midlouth but the clip is there for everyone to see. When it's looked at and still incorrectly commented upon it beggars belief. Some people have him rolling around on the ground for ages. This has nothing to do with a player's credentials.
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« Reply #178 on: May 13, 2012, 01:31:15 PM »
Jesus A'Nail an article that long and the best you can come up with is 'why did it take brolly that long to say it?'. Personally I think he has it spot on. At least he says what he thinks and not writing for the sake of creating a bit of controversy. And what does YouTube have to do with it? Very good source, watching the incidents in question.

I completely agree with him. Hurlers put the footballers to shame. Rugby players too have it spot on. Whatever happened to pride and dignity?

I'm not just talking about Tyrone, it happens everywhere and sadly it's commonplace in club games throughout the country too. I find it sad the way our game has gone. Something needs to be done sooner rather than later.

I used to be a massive soccer fan. Once the diving came into the English premiership I completely lost all interest. I would seriously hope the same does not happen to the football. Would be a very sad day for me.

Listen, there's nothing more cynical and sickening as diving, whether it's diving to win frees, feigning or embellishing injury or that practice of pulling the defenders arm to pretend to be fouled. Some will attempt to defend it by saying that umpires were ignoring off the ball crap and this was a way of highlighting it. I don't agree with that defence. And bla bla bla - we'll all sing from the same hymnsheet.

However, the incidents Brolly highlight are innaccurate. In my very honest opinion, Canavan didn't dive, Jordan didn't dive but McGuigan did. Yet that was 2003 FFS. I can think of countless other examples from various counties across the span of the last decade. The Sunday Game, which he sits on, hasn't showed the gumption to highlight it on their shows. They should be naming and shaming.

Is he saying that Tyrone introduced it? Is he saying that he didn't buy fouls back in the Derry heyday? He actually says Canavan tried to get McCarthy sent off. I find that remarkably insulting to Canavan and utterly inaccurate. Was Brolly on the SG in 2003? If so, why is he only raising this now?
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« Reply #179 on: May 13, 2012, 01:33:19 PM »
Some remarkable comments on here.

Midlouth had him so bad it,  'felt it was necessary to roll around on the ground for a couple of minutes.'

You can't help but feel we're dealing with idiots.

Ah O'Neill it isn't like you to resort to insults, maybe it wasn't minutes but it made a lot out of nothing imo, if a soccer player did that he'd be slated. Other than that McCarthy must have the hardest hands in Ireland.

And I'm not questioning Canavan credentials, just this incident on its own, obviously was still a very good player.

Apologies Midlouth but the clip is there for everyone to see. When it's looked at and still incorrectly commented upon it beggars belief. Some people have him rolling around on the ground for ages.

This has nothing to do with a player's credentials.

Okay but to me it looks like simulation. Also it's nine years ago so I don't think it really matters any more.

Credentials bit was aimed at Stevie G's comment.