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« Reply #870 on: January 12, 2015, 06:20:59 PM »
A club we visited a couple of years ago had 15 men managing other clubs. This was at a time when their juveniles were struggling for coaching resource. 

Then there was the dual club from SW Antrim who agreed a 70 pounds a night fee with an ex Derry footballer, who then proceeded to train them 4 times a week (and get them relegated in the process).


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« Reply #871 on: January 12, 2015, 06:44:07 PM »
I always feel offended by these claims of Joe brolly and Eugene McGee. I have managed my club seniors on and off for about ten years and never received a red cent. There are many like me. And I would say that most inter county managers do not get paid. It's easy grab headlines and like Dr Moyna said - 'Joe deals in hearsay, I deal in facts'...

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« Reply #872 on: January 12, 2015, 07:09:05 PM »
I always feel offended by these claims of Joe brolly and Eugene McGee. I have managed my club seniors on and off for about ten years and never received a red cent. There are many like me. And I would say that most inter county managers do not get paid. It's easy grab headlines and like Dr Moyna said - 'Joe deals in hearsay, I deal in facts'...

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« Reply #873 on: January 12, 2015, 09:17:50 PM »
I always feel offended by these claims of Joe brolly and Eugene McGee. I have managed my club seniors on and off for about ten years and never received a red cent.
Why get offended? He's not referring to true volunteers like you. Strange
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« Reply #874 on: January 12, 2015, 09:28:52 PM »
Some people go out of their way to be offended by Brolly. The reality is that he speaks the truth. Truth is that most self serving GAA board officials, managers and players are happy with staus quo. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas!

I heard Brolly on radio yesterday with Niall Moyna. Moyna came across as a pompous so and so. "I deal in facts" my arse. You deal in scholarships and paying Young lads to come to your college Mr.Moyna.

Brolly genuinely is concerned were the GAA is going. Moyna is genuinely concerned about DCU pulling in more big name players on scholarships.
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« Reply #875 on: January 12, 2015, 09:35:30 PM »
Payment of club managers is a cancer of our game, it is happening in every single county, probably across all divisions. £200 a session for top tier club in Derry and this was considered 'reasonable'. The manager feels like he has to train 3 nights a week and gets his money and feels vindicated by the stupid commitment asked for, in many instances before Christmas.

Brolly is right on this one.

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« Reply #876 on: January 12, 2015, 11:04:37 PM »
Some people go out of their way to be offended by Brolly. The reality is that he speaks the truth. Truth is that most self serving GAA board officials, managers and players are happy with staus quo. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas!

I heard Brolly on radio yesterday with Niall Moyna. Moyna came across as a pompous so and so. "I deal in facts" my arse. You deal in scholarships and paying Young lads to come to your college Mr.Moyna.

Brolly genuinely is concerned were the GAA is going. Moyna is genuinely concerned about DCU pulling in more big name players on scholarships.

I only heard a bit of that yesterday but was john Galvin not saying that Brolly was over-playing the amount of pressurethat's on players? I only heard part of it though...

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« Reply #877 on: January 13, 2015, 12:12:51 AM »
Payment of club managers is a cancer of our game, it is happening in every single county, probably across all divisions. £200 a session for top tier club in Derry and this was considered 'reasonable'. The manager feels like he has to train 3 nights a week and gets his money and feels vindicated by the stupid commitment asked for, in many instances before Christmas.

Brolly is right on this one.

£200 a night reasonable - they must have more money than sense.

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« Reply #878 on: January 13, 2015, 12:14:19 AM »
Some people go out of their way to be offended by Brolly. The reality is that he speaks the truth. Truth is that most self serving GAA board officials, managers and players are happy with staus quo. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas!

I heard Brolly on radio yesterday with Niall Moyna. Moyna came across as a pompous so and so. "I deal in facts" my arse. You deal in scholarships and paying Young lads to come to your college Mr.Moyna.

Brolly genuinely is concerned were the GAA is going. Moyna is genuinely concerned about DCU pulling in more big name players on scholarships.

I only heard a bit of that yesterday but was john Galvin not saying that Brolly was over-playing the amount of pressurethat's on players? I only heard part of it though...
Exactly. I was talking to a Slaughtneil man last week and he was talking about the amount of training sessions their dual players were having - and he said they loved it (as in it's the best thing they could be at).

I don't hear many players complaining about training. Most of the complaining is from the retired.

One of Joe's points was last year's All-Ireland final in terms of the state of the game. Does he remember the semis? Can he recall the litany of dour 'big games' in the 80s and 90s. The difference was we never complained - we were happy to see a game involving the best players representing your county.

Now we have a multitude of games on TV, all with their own analysts critiquing every move (Joe Brolly in 2005 criticised a Dublin defender with the line 'He has no place being on a county team'). We now have analysts telling us that the standard of games aren't good enough for the viewing public.

Joe Brolly is a mouthpiece, knowing the more controversy he can create the more functions he'll be invited to.
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« Reply #879 on: January 13, 2015, 12:33:45 AM »
A mouthpeice for a lot of people who are 100% in agreement with him in terms of the arguments he's been making on this topic. Why don't you address the main thrust of his argument.
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« Reply #880 on: January 13, 2015, 12:37:58 AM »
Which is?

1) Burn out?
2) Outside managers?
3) Calendar?
4) State of the game?
5) Role of GPA?

 - all points he has tried to cover in the last 7 days, as well as others.
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« Reply #881 on: January 13, 2015, 01:21:27 AM »

Then there was the dual club from SW Antrim who agreed a 70 pounds a night fee with an ex Derry footballer, who then proceeded to train them 4 times a week (and get them relegated in the process).


That would mean 280 pounds a week minus petrol going into his own Club. (a big temptation Spy Film trap to trick another Club into thinking that the man had deserted his own people from Primary School but like in a film he'd just tricked the surrogate Club into financing their rivals who he in reality has never let down )

Does any Club complain about (after petrol) - 200 pounds a week coming into the Club from one of their own who ends up managing another Club or is it 'Just love of the game - as long as you don't meet us in the Final'

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« Reply #882 on: January 13, 2015, 08:26:09 AM »
I always feel offended by these claims of Joe brolly and Eugene McGee. I have managed my club seniors on and off for about ten years and never received a red cent. There are many like me. And I would say that most inter county managers do not get paid. It's easy grab headlines and like Dr Moyna said - 'Joe deals in hearsay, I deal in facts'...

Maybe you should actually read what their claiming rather than just getting offended. Outside managers are not going to train clubs that aren't their own simply for a past time!
You can't make that as. A blanket statement either. I'd train a team just for diesel money no problem.

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« Reply #883 on: January 13, 2015, 08:49:32 AM »
I always feel offended by these claims of Joe brolly and Eugene McGee. I have managed my club seniors on and off for about ten years and never received a red cent. There are many like me. And I would say that most inter county managers do not get paid. It's easy grab headlines and like Dr Moyna said - 'Joe deals in hearsay, I deal in facts'...

Maybe you should actually read what their claiming rather than just getting offended. Outside managers are not going to train clubs that aren't their own simply for a past time!
You can't make that as. A blanket statement either. I'd train a team just for diesel money no problem.

Can you PM your phone number so I can send it to my club secretary  :)

True enough, there probably are a few managers/coaches who'll happily give up their time for diesel money, I just haven't come across any that weren't dealing with their own club. In Louth last year, our fixtures started in Feb and finished in Dec, most teams would meet up three times a week. That is a lot of time for someone to give up training a team they've no affiliation with.

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« Reply #884 on: January 13, 2015, 08:51:36 AM »

Then there was the dual club from SW Antrim who agreed a 70 pounds a night fee with an ex Derry footballer, who then proceeded to train them 4 times a week (and get them relegated in the process).


That would mean 280 pounds a week minus petrol going into his own Club. (a big temptation Spy Film trap to trick another Club into thinking that the man had deserted his own people from Primary School but like in a film he'd just tricked the surrogate Club into financing their rivals who he in reality has never let down )

Does any Club complain about (after petrol) - 200 pounds a week coming into the Club from one of their own who ends up managing another Club or is it 'Just love of the game - as long as you don't meet us in the Final'

What are you on about? Money going back into his club?  :o
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