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« Reply #4425 on: June 26, 2018, 08:15:37 PM »
The great 1993 Derry team was honoured in Clones on Sunday, 25 years on. Brolly didn't go. Integrity at its best.
Don't recall Brolly playing in that game, he might have come on as a late sub but I can't even recall that.

Steven Mulvenna and Brian McCormick played for Derry.

Brolly and Seamus Downey came into the Derry team for the semi-final against Dublin having played little or no part up that.

Apart from missing the point, a memory check for you.  Brolly was the second of three subs Derry used. Both others, Dermot McNicholl and Karl Diamond, had the integrity to be there.

To wave at Donegal and Fermanagh supporters  ::)
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Maybe you were not aware but Derry won the inaugural Dónall Ó Murchú cup on Sunday and Brolly missed that as well.

I think a lot of Derry supporters missed it but sure if it's an opportunity to have a go at Brolly. I remember Frank McGuigan missed Clones anniversary celebration of 1984 Ulster final that he was the star of... no-one was bothered bout it.
Given your very recent memory lapses .... some may take your defence of Brolly's absence with eleven pinches of Ard Bó salt!

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« Reply #4426 on: June 26, 2018, 09:00:40 PM »
The great 1993 Derry team was honoured in Clones on Sunday, 25 years on. Brolly didn't go. Integrity at its best.
Don't recall Brolly playing in that game, he might have come on as a late sub but I can't even recall that.

Steven Mulvenna and Brian McCormick played for Derry.

Brolly and Seamus Downey came into the Derry team for the semi-final against Dublin having played little or no part up that.

Apart from missing the point, a memory check for you.  Brolly was the second of three subs Derry used. Both others, Dermot McNicholl and Karl Diamond, had the integrity to be there.

To wave at Donegal and Fermanagh supporters  ::)
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Maybe you were not aware but Derry won the inaugural Dónall Ó Murchú cup on Sunday and Brolly missed that as well.

I think a lot of Derry supporters missed it but sure if it's an opportunity to have a go at Brolly. I remember Frank McGuigan missed Clones anniversary celebration of 1984 Ulster final that he was the star of... no-one was bothered bout it.
Given your very recent memory lapses .... some may take your defence of Brolly's absence with eleven pinches of Ard Bó salt!

Don't see any big deal with Brolly or Frank or anyone else miss that.

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« Reply #4427 on: June 26, 2018, 09:13:09 PM »
The great 1993 Derry team was honoured in Clones on Sunday, 25 years on. Brolly didn't go. Integrity at its best.
Don't recall Brolly playing in that game, he might have come on as a late sub but I can't even recall that.

Steven Mulvenna and Brian McCormick played for Derry.

Brolly and Seamus Downey came into the Derry team for the semi-final against Dublin having played little or no part up that.

Apart from missing the point, a memory check for you.  Brolly was the second of three subs Derry used. Both others, Dermot McNicholl and Karl Diamond, had the integrity to be there.

To wave at Donegal and Fermanagh supporters  ::)
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Maybe you were not aware but Derry won the inaugural Dónall Ó Murchú cup on Sunday and Brolly missed that as well.

I think a lot of Derry supporters missed it but sure if it's an opportunity to have a go at Brolly. I remember Frank McGuigan missed Clones anniversary celebration of 1984 Ulster final that he was the star of... no-one was bothered bout it.
Given your very recent memory lapses .... some may take your defence of Brolly's absence with eleven pinches of Ard Bó salt!

Don't see any big deal with Brolly or Frank or anyone else miss that.
But for money Brolly would have been there - no show like a Joe show!  Great chance to blow a few kisses missed! Did send his daughter thou. Hope she gets doing the All Ireland one as well, sur!

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« Reply #4428 on: July 17, 2018, 01:00:02 AM »
https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-the-bt-of-science-simply-cant-handle-quality-football-37091825.html

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There has been a lot of debate over the last few years about the usefulness of science in the game. System v Spontaneity. Statistics v Creativity. Jim McGuinness, for example, is a leading proponent of the system-based approach. Presumably, it was on this basis that he predicted in a recent Irish Times column that Fermanagh were capable of winning the Ulster final because they "have the capacity to keep Donegal to 0-10". He went on to say that his prediction was based not on ability and flair, but on science.

"This is not about the best team; it is about the best system."

Donegal managed 2-18, as it turned out, so just the 2-8 more than Jim predicted. No doubt he will explain the science behind that in a future column. As for Kerry's destructive path through Munster, he explained this on the basis that, "Kerry have reached a flow state". This, he wrote "is an intense, highly-focused concentration on the present where the participant gets sort of lost in the activity and where there is a sense of time being altered". I'm not sure about the physics behind that, but I certainly had a sense of time being altered trying to read the piece, which seemed to go on forever.

Quite a personal dig at McGuinness. Brolly goes to wax lyrically about Kerry.

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They have a bit to go yet, but already they are starting to look like the great Down forward line of 1991/'94, or the Tyrone front six of 2005. Most importantly, they are brilliant to watch, and when a team play the right way, they become a shared journey for the players, supporters and neutrals. As distinct from the farce created by Jimmy's massed defence.

The bullsh!t of science can't handle quality football according to Joe, I'd have loved to watch him sitting through the Kerry Galway game with a big sour waspish face.
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« Reply #4430 on: August 26, 2018, 07:36:19 PM »
Thought McGuinness article was completely bizarre and gave an insight into the negativity of his mindset. It was a depressing read but the sad reality is that there are a whole cavalcade among the coaching fraternity, many of whom have aped his original game plan, who will think of it as genius.

McGuinness was at least original and tactically identified how an entirely different approach could be successfully deployed. The problem now is with the rules which facilitate and reward such a negative, fearful and defensive mindset. The GAA need to act urgently this winter to redress the balance but I’m not completely hopeful that they will. If history is anything to go by they will tweak the rules when reform is what is required. Let’s just hope that any of these text book coaches who are well practiced in self preservation are not part of any group charged with looking at ways to improve the spectacle.

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« Reply #4432 on: August 26, 2018, 10:31:02 PM »
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They have a bit to go yet, but already they are starting to look like the great Down forward line of 1991/'94, or the Tyrone front six of 2005. Most importantly, they are brilliant to watch, and when a team play the right way, they become a shared journey for the players, supporters and neutrals. As distinct from the farce created by Jimmy's massed defence.

https://www.balls.ie/gaa/joe-brolly-jim-mcguinness-barcelona-368505

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/brolly-warns-of-donegal-shock-205341.html
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« Reply #4433 on: August 26, 2018, 10:50:54 PM »
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They have a bit to go yet, but already they are starting to look like the great Down forward line of 1991/'94, or the Tyrone front six of 2005. Most importantly, they are brilliant to watch, and when a team play the right way, they become a shared journey for the players, supporters and neutrals. As distinct from the farce created by Jimmy's massed defence.

https://www.balls.ie/gaa/joe-brolly-jim-mcguinness-barcelona-368505

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/brolly-warns-of-donegal-shock-205341.html

Shock as Joe Brolly articulates populist BS.

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« Reply #4434 on: August 26, 2018, 11:06:51 PM »
Thought McGuinness article was completely bizarre and gave an insight into the negativity of his mindset. It was a depressing read but the sad reality is that there are a whole cavalcade among the coaching fraternity, many of whom have aped his original game plan, who will think of it as genius.

McGuinness was at least original and tactically identified how an entirely different approach could be successfully deployed. The problem now is with the rules which facilitate and reward such a negative, fearful and defensive mindset. The GAA need to act urgently this winter to redress the balance but I’m not completely hopeful that they will. If history is anything to go by they will tweak the rules when reform is what is required. Let’s just hope that any of these text book coaches who are well practiced in self preservation are not part of any group charged with looking at ways to improve the spectacle.
As an analysis piece, McGuinness's latest article was superb.

Still, if people prefer shit yarns about donkeys playing for Juventus to actual proper analysis, that's their choice.


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« Reply #4435 on: August 26, 2018, 11:12:38 PM »
Joe takes aim at McGuinness......

https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-jim-mcguinness-advocates-a-defensive-strategy-that-would-bore-us-to-death-37252109.html
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His stats in the third paragraph are irrelevant.

Newsflash Joe. There are more people in mayo than monaghan. Of course the viewing numbers would be down.

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« Reply #4436 on: August 27, 2018, 07:40:22 AM »
More brollt nonsense. He's tore into harte and how Tyrone play some times in a manner thats been in bad taste.

Fact is hartes plan has worked. If Tyrone get beat which is very likely he will jump on the chance to blame hartes style. That's a very easy position to take with low risk from his point of view. Coward

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« Reply #4437 on: August 27, 2018, 09:34:21 AM »
Thought McGuinness article was completely bizarre and gave an insight into the negativity of his mindset. It was a depressing read but the sad reality is that there are a whole cavalcade among the coaching fraternity, many of whom have aped his original game plan, who will think of it as genius.

McGuinness was at least original and tactically identified how an entirely different approach could be successfully deployed. The problem now is with the rules which facilitate and reward such a negative, fearful and defensive mindset. The GAA need to act urgently this winter to redress the balance but I’m not completely hopeful that they will. If history is anything to go by they will tweak the rules when reform is what is required. Let’s just hope that any of these text book coaches who are well practiced in self preservation are not part of any group charged with looking at ways to improve the spectacle.
As an analysis piece, McGuinness's latest article was superb.

Still, if people prefer shit yarns about donkeys playing for Juventus to actual proper analysis, that's their choice.

I mightn't like the road that Jim McGuinness took gaelic football down but I admired his cajones and absolute conviction to advocate a plan consisting of the entire team camped inside their own 50 metre line. And I have absolutely no doubt that this is something that McGuinness would implement for the final now if he were in charge of Tyrone. The point is that he doesn't care two hoots about the spectacle or the aesthetics of the game. His argument is 'do whatever it takes to win no matter how ugly and no matter what flak you receive'. I admire his brazenness to an extent.

However as spectators the reason we watch sport is to be entertained. I find all of these tactical analysis pieces very tedious and boring to listen to. That piece of McGuinness' was extremely tedious and boring but I did read it because he does have a lot of original thought and is clearly a smart man. Most tactical analaysis by it's very definition is very boring and I see more and more of these type of columns where so called 'super coaches' give their tactical breakdown on gaelic football. Some of it is mind numbingly boring and of interest mostly to tactical anoraks.

I have never before been so blase about watching an All Ireland final as this one. Maybe we will be surprised and it will be a classic but I very much doubt it.         

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« Reply #4438 on: August 27, 2018, 10:34:04 AM »
Blaming Dublin for holding onto the ball cause the other team camped in their own half! Yip they to blame for football on ills and not the defensive teams they have to play against!

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« Reply #4439 on: August 27, 2018, 11:39:25 AM »
Regardless of your thoughts on Brolly there is no denying McGuinness is as hypocritical as they come.

He patented this tactic of the shite blanket defence.