Flags & Culture.....

[Cold tea]

Do you think the UDA/UVF are drafted in!!! FFS they are locals!

[EC Unique]

All the talk of geogre Best been a hero in east belfast, his wanting of 1 ireland team always did rub the locals up the wrong way, East belfast must see the uvf as more heroes than best, no better an advert for sydenham area been full of low life scum

What a ridiculous post.

Please explain why.

It is the UVF / UDA who put up the murals. Do you think they hold some sort of local vote ffs?  As for your own comment about NI football fans, do you really think that they all condone violence / support loyalist paramilitaries?

Either you are a fool or you take other posters on here as fools..

[armaghniac]

Either you are a fool or you take other posters on here as fools..

What does this mean? Do you think they hold a vote on this mural?

[EC Unique]

Either you are a fool or you take other posters on here as fools..

What does this mean? Do you think they hold a vote on this mural?

I take it he is insinuating that the UVF/UDA come into the area and tr**p all over the locals and put these up against their will. As has been said they are the locals and I'm sure have a very strong support. To think otherwise would be foolish.

[armaghniac]

I take it he is insinuating that the UVF/UDA come into the area and tr**p all over the locals and put these up against their will. As has been said they are the locals and I'm sure have a very strong support. To think otherwise would be foolish.

Because those involved are locals does not necessarily mean that they have a majority of local support for replacing the Best mural with this one.

If there was mural of the Tyrone AI winners in Carrickmore or a mural of the Crossmaglen Rangers AI team, even strongly nationalist people in those places might not want the mural replaced with political one.

[Applesisapples]

Actually, No Soloing, an MLK quote seems appropriate.

First, you have Martin Luther and then King (God and Country).  Of course, they could have picked George Orwell:  "All animals are equal, but Somme animals are more equal than others, so they are."

And isn't painting over George Best some class of sacrilege?

Maybe they are getting Martin Luther and Martin Luther King mixed up - or think that they are one and the same person - and think that they used a quote from the Reformation.

Wait until they find out that MLK was African American!!!

[BennyCake]

The unbelievable thing about this, is they actually get grants for these murals.

[red hander]

The unbelievable thing about this, is they actually get grants for these murals.

... and bonfires. You couldn't make this shithole up 

[omagh_gael]

The unbelievable thing about this, is they actually get grants for these murals.

They got a grant for the George Best mural not the paramilitary one.

[cornerback]

The unbelievable thing about this, is they actually get grants for these murals.

They got a grant for the George Best mural not the paramilitary one.

But I'm sure there'll be another grant available to cover over the paramilitary one...

[red hander]

The unbelievable thing about this, is they actually get grants for these murals.

They got a grant for the George Best mural not the paramilitary one.

But I'm sure there'll be another grant available to cover over the paramilitary one...

Aye, but it won't be the wee boy with the paint brush who will get the money, that will go to UVF b**tards like that  gobshite Wilson

[glens abu]

Leading Republican Sean Murray on what he calls 'a cycle of coat trailing'
BY SEAN MURRAY – SEPTEMBER 7, 2013
POSTED IN: OPINION



Royal Black Preceptory parade passing St Patricks Church on Donegall street.


Black Saturday, the last Saturday in August usually heralds the end of the parading season.  However, given the nightly 'protest' parades at the Ardoyne interface no end appears in sight this year, as tensions build in this volatile area.

The main Black demonstration for Belfast this year was in the town of Newtownards, a Unionist stronghold in North Down.  The Royal Black Perceptory chapters, members and supporters can gather there and enjoy their day, free from either tension or contention.

Given such a scenario, as we enjoy the last of our summer weekends, one could question the rationale, if one exists, which requires local chapters to insist on walking through or close to volatile interface areas in North and East Belfast, in both outward and return feeder parades to this demonstration.

Chapter No.4 of the R.P.B., who gather in Templemore Avenue, in East Belfast, insist on parading in the opposite direction away from the main demonstration, past St. Matthew's Church and the Nationalist Short Strand area to Station Street.  Here they board a bus which drives directly to Newtownards, passing St. Matthews Church once more.  The same ritual is played out at the return parade.

Then we have Greencastle R.B.P. 336 taking the scenic route.  Their parade starts at Greencastle Orange Hall, situated in the mainly Nationalist Whitewell area.  It then proceeds to Shore Crescent, where they board a bus to take them to the College of Art in York Street in the centre of Belfast.  Here they disembark and parade up Donegall Street, past St. Patrick's Church, to the Lower Crumlin Road.  Along with other local chapters, they then parade back down Clifton Street, past Nationalist Carrick Hill area, on past St. Patrick's Church once more towards Albert Square in the city centre where they board a bus which takes them directly to Newtownards.  If ever a definition of sectarian coat-trailing was required, look no further!

This illustration of cultural expression, necessitates a massive and costly policing operation, while directly heightening community tensions to almost breaking point.  Not content with parading such routes, the chapters 'contract' some of the most controversial bands with strong Loyalist paramilitary links to accompany them.  Their behaviour is unacceptably provocative and blatantly sectarian.  They exhibit obvious pleasure in continuing to breach Parade Commission determinations, apparently with impunity.

For the return parade, despite being notified by the PSNI that Mass was being held in St. Patrick's Church, they insisted on parading past, with the bands playing at full volume, making the priests words inaudible.

These are the actions of an organisation which in its mission statement clearly commits to "regular Christian worship and all aspects of charitable living" and to "enhance greater and higher standards of Justice, Truth, Honesty and Integrity in both private and public life".

Somehow I doubt if their feeder parades on Black Saturday reflect the noble sentiments outlined in their mission statement.



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TAGS: Ardoyne, belfast, Loyalist, Royal Black, St. Patrick's Church

About Sean Murray

[dillinger]

Is this the same Sean Murray, alleged member of the IRA army council?

The Greencastle Lodge starts from , well Greencastle where their Orange Hall is.

[glens abu]

Is this the same Sean Murray, alleged member of the IRA army council?

The Greencastle Lodge starts from , well Greencastle where their Orange Hall is.

There is no army council and hasn't been for many years.

[artisan2010]

I haven't read all 21 pages of the thread so forgive me if somebody has already made the same point. First of all in terms of a conflict of interest not surprisingly for this site I am a Nationalist and a Nordie of a certain age so hardly an unbiased spectator
Unionism like nationalism is a wide spectrum of views and opinions. loyalist paramilitaries are embedded within certain communities in the north.they are part and parcel of day today life. They don't want to understand the changes that have occurred and don't understand that the fact that there "Fenian" neighbours are no longer on their knees and they are no longer superior just because they belong to the "majority" community. The discovery of new weapons in East Belfast, reintroduction of paramilitary murals and issues around "Flegs" and parades should  tell us that the small nub of unconstructed bigots still exists