six county elections 05/05/2011

[oakleafgael]

Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.

tony i don't know how you think Michelle gildernew was no great shakes as agric minister when she was greeted everywhere she went in the farming comunity with rapturous applause IMO your completely wrong there she was probably the most popular minister in stormont

I know she was popular and that is because she was giving money to farmers hand over fist. DofA fucked up when submitting claims to EU and were fined to the tune of £60million. She wasn't personally responsible but he claim that no-one was to blame stuck in my craw and summed up all that is wrong with public sector NI.

actually what happened was the bean counters in Brussels started to look for excuses to reduce the single farm payment and began to stroke off land that was ineligible that had previously been payed out on. this included laneways, rushy ground, new yards, overgrown hedges. individuals had failed to stroke these areas off their maps and the dept had failed to notice Michelle took the hit to avoid the individuals  getting done for fraud and the issue was sidestepped, i understand that the 60million fine is being appealed with a Strong chance of success. i also understand that the Irish discrepancies were amongst the lowest in Europe

Thats complete and total balls. The land that was being claimed for should not have been claimed for and was never eligible for inclusion for SFP. Michelle didnt take any "hit" as she kept her job and the taxpayer has to foot the bill.

hedges grow and so do rushes oakleaf what do you want her to do, cut them?

Lawnseed,

You either know nothing about the eligibility of land under the SFP scheme or are stupid, which is it?

Hedges should be cut every second year unless they are at the roadside. Rushes have nothing to do with eligibility. All those issues are covered by the cross compliance checks which are carried out.

Gildernew was responsible as the Minister for the incorrect submissions.

[lawnseed]

Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.

tony i don't know how you think Michelle gildernew was no great shakes as agric minister when she was greeted everywhere she went in the farming comunity with rapturous applause IMO your completely wrong there she was probably the most popular minister in stormont

I know she was popular and that is because she was giving money to farmers hand over fist. DofA fucked up when submitting claims to EU and were fined to the tune of £60million. She wasn't personally responsible but he claim that no-one was to blame stuck in my craw and summed up all that is wrong with public sector NI.

actually what happened was the bean counters in Brussels started to look for excuses to reduce the single farm payment and began to stroke off land that was ineligible that had previously been payed out on. this included laneways, rushy ground, new yards, overgrown hedges. individuals had failed to stroke these areas off their maps and the dept had failed to notice Michelle took the hit to avoid the individuals  getting done for fraud and the issue was sidestepped, i understand that the 60million fine is being appealed with a Strong chance of success. i also understand that the Irish discrepancies were amongst the lowest in Europe

Thats complete and total balls. The land that was being claimed for should not have been claimed for and was never eligible for inclusion for SFP. Michelle didnt take any "hit" as she kept her job and the taxpayer has to foot the bill.

hedges grow and so do rushes oakleaf what do you want her to do, cut them?

Lawnseed,

You either know nothing about the eligibility of land under the SFP scheme or are stupid, which is it?

Hedges should be cut every second year unless they are at the roadside. Rushes have nothing to do with eligibility. All those issues are covered by the cross compliance checks which are carried out.

Gildernew was responsible as the Minister for the incorrect submissions.

i think you'll find that rushes do render land ineligible did you not get any aerial photos yet

[oakleafgael]

Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.

tony i don't know how you think Michelle gildernew was no great shakes as agric minister when she was greeted everywhere she went in the farming comunity with rapturous applause IMO your completely wrong there she was probably the most popular minister in stormont

I know she was popular and that is because she was giving money to farmers hand over fist. DofA fucked up when submitting claims to EU and were fined to the tune of £60million. She wasn't personally responsible but he claim that no-one was to blame stuck in my craw and summed up all that is wrong with public sector NI.

actually what happened was the bean counters in Brussels started to look for excuses to reduce the single farm payment and began to stroke off land that was ineligible that had previously been payed out on. this included laneways, rushy ground, new yards, overgrown hedges. individuals had failed to stroke these areas off their maps and the dept had failed to notice Michelle took the hit to avoid the individuals  getting done for fraud and the issue was sidestepped, i understand that the 60million fine is being appealed with a Strong chance of success. i also understand that the Irish discrepancies were amongst the lowest in Europe

Thats complete and total balls. The land that was being claimed for should not have been claimed for and was never eligible for inclusion for SFP. Michelle didnt take any "hit" as she kept her job and the taxpayer has to foot the bill.

hedges grow and so do rushes oakleaf what do you want her to do, cut them?

Lawnseed,

You either know nothing about the eligibility of land under the SFP scheme or are stupid, which is it?

Hedges should be cut every second year unless they are at the roadside. Rushes have nothing to do with eligibility. All those issues are covered by the cross compliance checks which are carried out.

Gildernew was responsible as the Minister for the incorrect submissions.

i think you'll find that rushes do render land ineligible did you not get any aerial photos yet

Lawnseed,

I can log in and look at them anytime I like.

A field is either eligible or its not. We could go back and forth with different examples all night about different types of things covered under the 7 measures but the buck stopped with Gildernew.

[lawnseed]

Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.

tony i don't know how you think Michelle gildernew was no great shakes as agric minister when she was greeted everywhere she went in the farming comunity with rapturous applause IMO your completely wrong there she was probably the most popular minister in stormont

I know she was popular and that is because she was giving money to farmers hand over fist. DofA fucked up when submitting claims to EU and were fined to the tune of £60million. She wasn't personally responsible but he claim that no-one was to blame stuck in my craw and summed up all that is wrong with public sector NI.

actually what happened was the bean counters in Brussels started to look for excuses to reduce the single farm payment and began to stroke off land that was ineligible that had previously been payed out on. this included laneways, rushy ground, new yards, overgrown hedges. individuals had failed to stroke these areas off their maps and the dept had failed to notice Michelle took the hit to avoid the individuals  getting done for fraud and the issue was sidestepped, i understand that the 60million fine is being appealed with a Strong chance of success. i also understand that the Irish discrepancies were amongst the lowest in Europe

Thats complete and total balls. The land that was being claimed for should not have been claimed for and was never eligible for inclusion for SFP. Michelle didnt take any "hit" as she kept her job and the taxpayer has to foot the bill.

hedges grow and so do rushes oakleaf what do you want her to do, cut them?

Lawnseed,

You either know nothing about the eligibility of land under the SFP scheme or are stupid, which is it?

Hedges should be cut every second year unless they are at the roadside. Rushes have nothing to do with eligibility. All those issues are covered by the cross compliance checks which are carried out.

Gildernew was responsible as the Minister for the incorrect submissions.

i think you'll find that rushes do render land ineligible did you not get any aerial photos yet

Lawnseed,

I can log in and look at them anytime I like.

A field is either eligible or its not. We could go back and forth with different examples all night about different types of things covered under the 7 measures but the buck stopped with Gildernew.

do you not have to cut your hedges?

[trileacman]

Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.

tony i don't know how you think Michelle gildernew was no great shakes as agric minister when she was greeted everywhere she went in the farming comunity with rapturous applause IMO your completely wrong there she was probably the most popular minister in stormont

I know she was popular and that is because she was giving money to farmers hand over fist. DofA fucked up when submitting claims to EU and were fined to the tune of £60million. She wasn't personally responsible but he claim that no-one was to blame stuck in my craw and summed up all that is wrong with public sector NI.

actually what happened was the bean counters in Brussels started to look for excuses to reduce the single farm payment and began to stroke off land that was ineligible that had previously been payed out on. this included laneways, rushy ground, new yards, overgrown hedges. individuals had failed to stroke these areas off their maps and the dept had failed to notice Michelle took the hit to avoid the individuals  getting done for fraud and the issue was sidestepped, i understand that the 60million fine is being appealed with a Strong chance of success. i also understand that the Irish discrepancies were amongst the lowest in Europe

Thats complete and total balls. The land that was being claimed for should not have been claimed for and was never eligible for inclusion for SFP. Michelle didnt take any "hit" as she kept her job and the taxpayer has to foot the bill.

hedges grow and so do rushes oakleaf what do you want her to do, cut them?

Lawnseed,

You either know nothing about the eligibility of land under the SFP scheme or are stupid, which is it?

Hedges should be cut every second year unless they are at the roadside. Rushes have nothing to do with eligibility. All those issues are covered by the cross compliance checks which are carried out.

Gildernew was responsible as the Minister for the incorrect submissions.

i think you'll find that rushes do render land ineligible did you not get any aerial photos yet

Lawnseed,

I can log in and look at them anytime I like.

A field is either eligible or its not. We could go back and forth with different examples all night about different types of things covered under the 7 measures but the buck stopped with Gildernew.

do you not have to cut your hedges?

Lawnseed rushes make no field ineligible, quit it with your pub talk bullshite.

Gildernew is a bollix who doled out money hand over fist, ignored the rules and has been sent back from Europe with her tail between her legs. Trying to blame the 100 million fine that is in the pipeline for the taxpayer on "individuals" who didn't cut hedges or spray rushes is a conspiracy theory of the highest degree.

If the southern Ag minister brought a 100 million euro fine on the taxpayer he'd be out on his hole, it is annoying to think that the Shinner spin doctors can get this swept under the carpet and draw up double jobbing as an important issue. Gildernew is as successful an agriculture minister as she is a MP.

[Nally Stand]

Irish News the other day reckoned Arlene Foster wud take finance and that Martina Anderson was a likely candidate from SF for a dept.

[AQMP]

The DUP have already stated that Finance will be their first pick.  I'd say Foster is a cert for that post.

[Gaoth Dobhair Abu]

Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.

tony i don't know how you think Michelle gildernew was no great shakes as agric minister when she was greeted everywhere she went in the farming comunity with rapturous applause IMO your completely wrong there she was probably the most popular minister in stormont

I know she was popular and that is because she was giving money to farmers hand over fist. DofA fucked up when submitting claims to EU and were fined to the tune of £60million. She wasn't personally responsible but he claim that no-one was to blame stuck in my craw and summed up all that is wrong with public sector NI.

actually what happened was the bean counters in Brussels started to look for excuses to reduce the single farm payment and began to stroke off land that was ineligible that had previously been payed out on. this included laneways, rushy ground, new yards, overgrown hedges. individuals had failed to stroke these areas off their maps and the dept had failed to notice Michelle took the hit to avoid the individuals  getting done for fraud and the issue was sidestepped, i understand that the 60million fine is being appealed with a Strong chance of success. i also understand that the Irish discrepancies were amongst the lowest in Europe

Thats complete and total balls. The land that was being claimed for should not have been claimed for and was never eligible for inclusion for SFP. Michelle didnt take any "hit" as she kept her job and the taxpayer has to foot the bill.

hedges grow and so do rushes oakleaf what do you want her to do, cut them?

Lawnseed,

You either know nothing about the eligibility of land under the SFP scheme or are stupid, which is it?

Hedges should be cut every second year unless they are at the roadside. Rushes have nothing to do with eligibility. All those issues are covered by the cross compliance checks which are carried out.

Gildernew was responsible as the Minister for the incorrect submissions.

i think you'll find that rushes do render land ineligible did you not get any aerial photos yet

Lawnseed,

I can log in and look at them anytime I like.

A field is either eligible or its not. We could go back and forth with different examples all night about different types of things covered under the 7 measures but the buck stopped with Gildernew.

do you not have to cut your hedges?

Lawnseed rushes make no field ineligible, quit it with your pub talk bullshite.

Gildernew is a bollix who doled out money hand over fist, ignored the rules and has been sent back from Europe with her tail between her legs. Trying to blame the 100 million fine that is in the pipeline for the taxpayer on "individuals" who didn't cut hedges or spray rushes is a conspiracy theory of the highest degree.

If the southern Ag minister brought a 100 million euro fine on the taxpayer he'd be out on his hole, it is annoying to think that the Shinner spin doctors can get this swept under the carpet and draw up double jobbing as an important issue. Gildernew is as successful an agriculture minister as she is a MP.

Here I've been away for a few days, can you tell me how the SDLP got on in Fermanagh and South Tyrone?

[glens abu]

Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.

tony i don't know how you think Michelle gildernew was no great shakes as agric minister when she was greeted everywhere she went in the farming comunity with rapturous applause IMO your completely wrong there she was probably the most popular minister in stormont

I know she was popular and that is because she was giving money to farmers hand over fist. DofA fucked up when submitting claims to EU and were fined to the tune of £60million. She wasn't personally responsible but he claim that no-one was to blame stuck in my craw and summed up all that is wrong with public sector NI.

actually what happened was the bean counters in Brussels started to look for excuses to reduce the single farm payment and began to stroke off land that was ineligible that had previously been payed out on. this included laneways, rushy ground, new yards, overgrown hedges. individuals had failed to stroke these areas off their maps and the dept had failed to notice Michelle took the hit to avoid the individuals  getting done for fraud and the issue was sidestepped, i understand that the 60million fine is being appealed with a Strong chance of success. i also understand that the Irish discrepancies were amongst the lowest in Europe

Thats complete and total balls. The land that was being claimed for should not have been claimed for and was never eligible for inclusion for SFP. Michelle didnt take any "hit" as she kept her job and the taxpayer has to foot the bill.

hedges grow and so do rushes oakleaf what do you want her to do, cut them?

Lawnseed,

You either know nothing about the eligibility of land under the SFP scheme or are stupid, which is it?

Hedges should be cut every second year unless they are at the roadside. Rushes have nothing to do with eligibility. All those issues are covered by the cross compliance checks which are carried out.

Gildernew was responsible as the Minister for the incorrect submissions.

i think you'll find that rushes do render land ineligible did you not get any aerial photos yet

Lawnseed,

I can log in and look at them anytime I like.

A field is either eligible or its not. We could go back and forth with different examples all night about different types of things covered under the 7 measures but the buck stopped with Gildernew.

do you not have to cut your hedges?

Lawnseed rushes make no field ineligible, quit it with your pub talk bullshite.

Gildernew is a bollix who doled out money hand over fist, ignored the rules and has been sent back from Europe with her tail between her legs. Trying to blame the 100 million fine that is in the pipeline for the taxpayer on "individuals" who didn't cut hedges or spray rushes is a conspiracy theory of the highest degree.

If the southern Ag minister brought a 100 million euro fine on the taxpayer he'd be out on his hole, it is annoying to think that the Shinner spin doctors can get this swept under the carpet and draw up double jobbing as an important issue. Gildernew is as successful an agriculture minister as she is a MP.

Here I've been away for a few days, can you tell me how the SDLP got on in Fermanagh and South Tyrone?

GONE

[Gaffer]

Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.

tony i don't know how you think Michelle gildernew was no great shakes as agric minister when she was greeted everywhere she went in the farming comunity with rapturous applause IMO your completely wrong there she was probably the most popular minister in stormont

I know she was popular and that is because she was giving money to farmers hand over fist. DofA fucked up when submitting claims to EU and were fined to the tune of £60million. She wasn't personally responsible but he claim that no-one was to blame stuck in my craw and summed up all that is wrong with public sector NI.

actually what happened was the bean counters in Brussels started to look for excuses to reduce the single farm payment and began to stroke off land that was ineligible that had previously been payed out on. this included laneways, rushy ground, new yards, overgrown hedges. individuals had failed to stroke these areas off their maps and the dept had failed to notice Michelle took the hit to avoid the individuals  getting done for fraud and the issue was sidestepped, i understand that the 60million fine is being appealed with a Strong chance of success. i also understand that the Irish discrepancies were amongst the lowest in Europe

Thats complete and total balls. The land that was being claimed for should not have been claimed for and was never eligible for inclusion for SFP. Michelle didnt take any "hit" as she kept her job and the taxpayer has to foot the bill.

hedges grow and so do rushes oakleaf what do you want her to do, cut them?

Lawnseed,

You either know nothing about the eligibility of land under the SFP scheme or are stupid, which is it?

Hedges should be cut every second year unless they are at the roadside. Rushes have nothing to do with eligibility. All those issues are covered by the cross compliance checks which are carried out.

Gildernew was responsible as the Minister for the incorrect submissions.

i think you'll find that rushes do render land ineligible did you not get any aerial photos yet

Lawnseed,

I can log in and look at them anytime I like.

A field is either eligible or its not. We could go back and forth with different examples all night about different types of things covered under the 7 measures but the buck stopped with Gildernew.

do you not have to cut your hedges?

Lawnseed rushes make no field ineligible, quit it with your pub talk bullshite.

Gildernew is a bollix who doled out money hand over fist, ignored the rules and has been sent back from Europe with her tail between her legs. Trying to blame the 100 million fine that is in the pipeline for the taxpayer on "individuals" who didn't cut hedges or spray rushes is a conspiracy theory of the highest degree.

If the southern Ag minister brought a 100 million euro fine on the taxpayer he'd be out on his hole, it is annoying to think that the Shinner spin doctors can get this swept under the carpet and draw up double jobbing as an important issue. Gildernew is as successful an agriculture minister as she is a MP.

Here I've been away for a few days, can you tell me how the SDLP got on in Fermanagh and South Tyrone?

They did very well !!

[Evil Genius]

Here I've been away for a few days, can you tell me how the SDLP got on in Fermanagh and South Tyrone?

Try here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-13336844

Or www.impartialreporter.com (when their latest edition goes online)

[Applesisapples]

It is also perfectly credible to believe that the SDLP are more effective nationalists than the rather crass carry on of Sinn Féin, who are not typical of the Irish people generally. Softly softly catchee monkey and all that.

One of the notable things about the recent election count were media interviews by Marty and Jeffrey Donaldson that could have been taken from John Hume's speeches, with talk of "working together for the shared future of our people". I am not sure that the modern SDLP has people quite of the calibre of Hume and Mallon, who did a real service to the people of Ireland.

but for the tactical voting of unionists around markethill mallon wouldnt have lasted near as long as he did i'm open to hear what his great achievements were i cant think of one

Surely his central role in the peace process and the Good Friday Agreement would be regarded as a significant achievement and contribution?

Mallon and Hume would be closer to SF's position on the constitutional issues than they would be to the current unionist lite policies endorsed by Richie

I think that SF's position on such issues has shifted more than the SDLP's... and indeed in many ways closer to the SDLP's.

The Good Friday Agreement was the constiutional position of Hume and Mallon - I don't see the SDLP having moved too far from that.

Whilst Sinn Fein's position has moderated some what, probably because it was a negotiation stance much like the DUP, the SDLP in some constituency's have shifted to a Union friendly stance. Hence the acceptance of British Honours by some high profile people with connections to SDLP such as Dame O'Loan. The SDLP has moved away from the Hume Mallon position. In addition Margaret Ritchie is leading them even more to acceptance of the Union certainly in the medium term. Combine this with her lack of Charisma and saddle her with people like Doleres Kelly and Alex Attwood and it is no wonder Sinn Fein keep growing at the polls.

[armaghniac]

Whilst Sinn Fein's position has moderated some what, probably because it was a negotiation stance much like the DUP, the SDLP in some constituency's have shifted to a Union friendly stance. Hence the acceptance of British Honours by some high profile people with connections to SDLP such as Dame O'Loan

I'd need some further evidence of this "union friendly stance". Dame O'Loan was a British person, I am not sure why she should not take an honour because of her husband's politics.

Combine this with her lack of Charisma and saddle her with people like Doleres Kelly and Alex Attwood and it is no wonder Sinn Fein keep growing at the polls.

Sadly enough for nationalism, Sinn Féin have little enough talent coming through in the 6 counties.

[Applesisapples]

Whilst Sinn Fein's position has moderated some what, probably because it was a negotiation stance much like the DUP, the SDLP in some constituency's have shifted to a Union friendly stance. Hence the acceptance of British Honours by some high profile people with connections to SDLP such as Dame O'Loan

I'd need some further evidence of this "union friendly stance". Dame O'Loan was a British person, I am not sure why she should not take an honour because of her husband's politics.

Combine this with her lack of Charisma and saddle her with people like Doleres Kelly and Alex Attwood and it is no wonder Sinn Fein keep growing at the polls.

Sadly enough for nationalism, Sinn Féin have little enough talent coming through in the 6 counties.

There are numerous others who have accepted gongs, Nuala O'Loan is just a well known example, she couldn't have accepted without her husbands support. In General the shinners are better organized they are more media savy and spread jobs and profile around, take Martina Anderson as an example. The SDLP have poor organization they are lazy politicians who don't engage in their communities...a general observation there are some notable and capable exceptions. I am not saying which party is right or wrong just presenting my analysis of the SDLP's problems.

[Maguire01]

Whilst Sinn Fein's position has moderated some what, probably because it was a negotiation stance much like the DUP, the SDLP in some constituency's have shifted to a Union friendly stance. Hence the acceptance of British Honours by some high profile people with connections to SDLP such as Dame O'Loan

I'd need some further evidence of this "union friendly stance". Dame O'Loan was a British person, I am not sure why she should not take an honour because of her husband's politics.

Combine this with her lack of Charisma and saddle her with people like Doleres Kelly and Alex Attwood and it is no wonder Sinn Fein keep growing at the polls.

Sadly enough for nationalism, Sinn Féin have little enough talent coming through in the 6 counties.

There are numerous others who have accepted gongs, Nuala O'Loan is just a well known example, she couldn't have accepted without her husbands support. In General the shinners are better organized they are more media savy and spread jobs and profile around, take Martina Anderson as an example. The SDLP have poor organization they are lazy politicians who don't engage in their communities...a general observation there are some notable and capable exceptions. I am not saying which party is right or wrong just presenting my analysis of the SDLP's problems.

And therein lies a problem. You should appoint people to jobs because they're capable, not for the sake of 'spreading it around'. It's not giving out sweets at a child's birthday party.

And I hear Paul Maskey is likely to be the candidate in the West Belfast by-election. Even with 70% of the popular vote in that constituency, they don't have much in terms of quality.