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« Reply #2460 on: November 13, 2019, 09:32:47 PM »
I get that, though if someone asked me I wouldnít say to them, I have got one on now so why ask me to wear one?

Iíd just say no thanks, I think some people are hyping up this fear of not wearing a poppy will decide your future, if you challenge it then they have a problem.

So if its that simple, why do you think there isn't say at least 20% of people on TV not wearing them. Could it be fear they will not be asked onto TV again, Fear they will get abuse on social media, fear their kids will be targeted at school. Its Bullying, plain and simple.


You are unbelievably naive if you think that it is as simple as saying No. There are repercussions to saying No - ask James McClean.

Naive? No, but I understand that people will be asked to wear a poppy, that choice is then down to the individual,  if he/she is against it  then they shouldnít wear it, so by your math (god only knows where you you dug up that stat) 20 people of every 100 people on TV during October November are wearing it against their wishes?  Is there a link to that?

There are negative repercussions in Britain for not wearing a poppy if you are a public figure.

So yes.  Choosing not to wear one will impact on your future.

To argue otherwise is either naive or stupid.

Read back on my posts, Iíve not said there is no repercussions. So bringing something up like that is stupid. People wear them because they want to. Thatís all Iíve said.

What nonsense.

You agree that there are negative repercussions for not wearing one and then say "People wear them because they want to".

Seriously??

Franko if youíre going to come into the thread then at least stick to the point Iíve brought up, in this day and age you think every member of the bbc/UTV in N.Ire is forced to wear it or face the internet abuse or worse, lose their jobs?

Has Niblock been wearing one at the commentating of the Ulster club games?
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Re: Poppy Watch
« Reply #2461 on: November 13, 2019, 09:58:13 PM »
I get that, though if someone asked me I wouldnít say to them, I have got one on now so why ask me to wear one?

Iíd just say no thanks, I think some people are hyping up this fear of not wearing a poppy will decide your future, if you challenge it then they have a problem.

So if its that simple, why do you think there isn't say at least 20% of people on TV not wearing them. Could it be fear they will not be asked onto TV again, Fear they will get abuse on social media, fear their kids will be targeted at school. Its Bullying, plain and simple.


You are unbelievably naive if you think that it is as simple as saying No. There are repercussions to saying No - ask James McClean.

Naive? No, but I understand that people will be asked to wear a poppy, that choice is then down to the individual,  if he/she is against it  then they shouldnít wear it, so by your math (god only knows where you you dug up that stat) 20 people of every 100 people on TV during October November are wearing it against their wishes?  Is there a link to that?

I pulled 20% out of the sky, it could be 30%. It could be 5%. However what is clear is that there is 0% refusing to wear them or damn close to it. So some people are clearly uncomfortable to say no. That my friend is bullying.

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« Reply #2462 on: November 13, 2019, 10:06:16 PM »
I get that, though if someone asked me I wouldnít say to them, I have got one on now so why ask me to wear one?

Iíd just say no thanks, I think some people are hyping up this fear of not wearing a poppy will decide your future, if you challenge it then they have a problem.

So if its that simple, why do you think there isn't say at least 20% of people on TV not wearing them. Could it be fear they will not be asked onto TV again, Fear they will get abuse on social media, fear their kids will be targeted at school. Its Bullying, plain and simple.


You are unbelievably naive if you think that it is as simple as saying No. There are repercussions to saying No - ask James McClean.

Naive? No, but I understand that people will be asked to wear a poppy, that choice is then down to the individual,  if he/she is against it  then they shouldnít wear it, so by your math (god only knows where you you dug up that stat) 20 people of every 100 people on TV during October November are wearing it against their wishes?  Is there a link to that?

I pulled 20% out of the sky, it could be 30%. It could be 5%. However what is clear is that there is 0% refusing to wear them or damn close to it. So some people are clearly uncomfortable to say no. That my friend is bullying.

Ok, so you made it up, if one person is forced to wear it itís bullying.. I agree. If someone wears it because they believe in the charity and what itís basic core point stands for, then thatís their choice.

If they are being forced and you can prove your employer is bullying you then theyíll leave themselves wide open just like they did with the unfair pay scales
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« Reply #2463 on: November 13, 2019, 10:55:14 PM »
I get that, though if someone asked me I wouldnít say to them, I have got one on now so why ask me to wear one?

Iíd just say no thanks, I think some people are hyping up this fear of not wearing a poppy will decide your future, if you challenge it then they have a problem.

So if its that simple, why do you think there isn't say at least 20% of people on TV not wearing them. Could it be fear they will not be asked onto TV again, Fear they will get abuse on social media, fear their kids will be targeted at school. Its Bullying, plain and simple.


You are unbelievably naive if you think that it is as simple as saying No. There are repercussions to saying No - ask James McClean.

Naive? No, but I understand that people will be asked to wear a poppy, that choice is then down to the individual,  if he/she is against it  then they shouldnít wear it, so by your math (god only knows where you you dug up that stat) 20 people of every 100 people on TV during October November are wearing it against their wishes?  Is there a link to that?

There are negative repercussions in Britain for not wearing a poppy if you are a public figure.

So yes.  Choosing not to wear one will impact on your future.

To argue otherwise is either naive or stupid.

Read back on my posts, Iíve not said there is no repercussions. So bringing something up like that is stupid. People wear them because they want to. Thatís all Iíve said.

What nonsense.

You agree that there are negative repercussions for not wearing one and then say "People wear them because they want to".

Seriously??

Franko if youíre going to come into the thread then at least stick to the point Iíve brought up, in this day and age you think every member of the bbc/UTV in N.Ire is forced to wear it or face the internet abuse or worse, lose their jobs?

Has Niblock been wearing one at the commentating of the Ulster club games?

 ;D ;D ;D

That's a whopper of a straw man there.

And then to twin it with the statement "at least stick to the point I've brought up" is the real cherry on top...!

Maybe best to slip quietly out of this one.  You're all over the place here.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2019, 10:57:02 PM by Franko »

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Re: Poppy Watch
« Reply #2464 on: November 13, 2019, 11:05:34 PM »
Ok Franko, Iíll quit as itís past Poppy Day, everyone can breathe knowing that people within the tv world and millionaire soccer players who are disadvantaged by bullying employers can stop wearing a flower!


Hopefully there is some outcome to this.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-7673839/amp/FA-investigating-Barnsley-fans-chant-anti-IRA-anti-Pope-songs-aimed-James-McClean.html
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« Reply #2465 on: November 14, 2019, 06:11:12 AM »
So it's all just about a flower! I think those years working in the shipyard have turned you into an apologist for all things British.
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« Reply #2466 on: November 14, 2019, 08:54:40 AM »
So it's all just about a flower! I think those years working in the shipyard have turned you into an apologist for all things British.

The flower can represent anything you want, a charity,  a statement by loyalist to remember their dead, the ongoing wars in other countries.. You therefore can't agree with the wearing of other symbols that represent the loss of life as there really is no excuse for it, as the ends never justify the means

Me working in the shipyard has no bearing at all, in fact it has given me a very good insight into the workings of the working man prod..

Had you been born a protestant you'd have a different view, the accident of birth that happens, shapes our future and determines our views based on that particular start in life.

My views are centre left, I can understand why people have the views they have and to a point accept that their internal make up won't really allow them to change. there can be various factors for that, where they live who they work with and their family background.

As for the poppy, flegs and anything else this country throws up, I've stopped getting offended by those things, to me they are not important, if they affect someone's wellbeing they need to address it, growing up were flegs and symbols are a plenty I'm sort of immune to it. I find it sad that a community needs to express it the way they do but that's not my community.. This might be the, I'm alright Jack attitude but I can't control the headers on the Hill or on the streets and I doubt anyone writing on this platform can either
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« Reply #2467 on: November 14, 2019, 11:09:23 AM »
I donít know exactly what point youíre making to be honest. Are you suggesting that Frank chose to wear one or was forced to wear one? Regardless Iím not sure Iíd want to be drawing any comparisons between Frank, whoís a pretty sound guy, and Roy Keane who I donít actually know but who seems to be a bully and a pretty nasty piece of work

Iíd imagine Frank chose to wear a poppy.
However there are influences in the workplace , in the public eye particularly , that affect that choice. Would Frank be wearing a poppy if he had remained around Newry for his work?
The poppy campaign is a charity for an honourable cause, however it has been hijacked by some.
I donít like the expectation on those in the public eye to wear one, and the abusive treatment of James McClean  over it , is clearly racist, yet not one prominent organisation has called it out, To my knowledge. Itíll be interesting to see the support he gets from his new Stoke manager Michael OíNeill.

Is it?

If WW1 was the war to end all wars, like they said, there would be no veterans left now. Therefore, no need for the charity. Of course, the Brits continue to stick their nose in around the world, so thereís always a war somewhere.

It would be interesting to know the number who marched in protest of the Iraq invasion in 2003, who also buy poppies. Iíd imagine quite a few. So even though theyíre against war, they help look after soldiers who were sent there.
That is not a contradiction.

I didnít say it was. But itís very strange all the same.

To me, the whole poppy push is about the British government neglecting their soldiers (not that I care much for them tbh) and itís the ordinary people who fund the soldiers post-war needs.
That is exactly it. It is a get out for the Government of the day, an opportunity for them to pretend they give a damn about all the dead and damaged their policies have caused and whom they have neglected for the other 334 days.

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« Reply #2468 on: November 14, 2019, 11:42:38 AM »
I donít know exactly what point youíre making to be honest. Are you suggesting that Frank chose to wear one or was forced to wear one? Regardless Iím not sure Iíd want to be drawing any comparisons between Frank, whoís a pretty sound guy, and Roy Keane who I donít actually know but who seems to be a bully and a pretty nasty piece of work

Iíd imagine Frank chose to wear a poppy.
However there are influences in the workplace , in the public eye particularly , that affect that choice. Would Frank be wearing a poppy if he had remained around Newry for his work?
The poppy campaign is a charity for an honourable cause, however it has been hijacked by some.
I donít like the expectation on those in the public eye to wear one, and the abusive treatment of James McClean  over it , is clearly racist, yet not one prominent organisation has called it out, To my knowledge. Itíll be interesting to see the support he gets from his new Stoke manager Michael OíNeill.

Is it?

If WW1 was the war to end all wars, like they said, there would be no veterans left now. Therefore, no need for the charity. Of course, the Brits continue to stick their nose in around the world, so thereís always a war somewhere.

It would be interesting to know the number who marched in protest of the Iraq invasion in 2003, who also buy poppies. Iíd imagine quite a few. So even though theyíre against war, they help look after soldiers who were sent there.
That is not a contradiction.

I didnít say it was. But itís very strange all the same.

To me, the whole poppy push is about the British government neglecting their soldiers (not that I care much for them tbh) and itís the ordinary people who fund the soldiers post-war needs.
That is exactly it. It is a get out for the Government of the day, an opportunity for them to pretend they give a damn about all the dead and damaged their policies have caused and whom they have neglected for the other 334 days.

The charity is a money making machine, like all large charities about. they work for a great cause and the people running them earn huge amounts of money...

What's happen to the poppy charity and it seems to be a recent thing, past 30 years, is people taking ownership of it, rather it being for what it was set up to do at the beginning (world wars) its been hijacked to elevate the  neglect the governments duty in looking after service men that they have sent to wars.

 These wars, rightly or wrongly in most cases, is not the fault of the lads that serve in the army, the army is a way out for some kids and an opportunity to gain work/education and experience.
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