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Re: Poppy Watch
« Reply #2445 on: November 13, 2019, 09:48:29 AM »
Is there anyone on this forum forced to wear a poppy?


McClean is doing it for his reasons, principled. his growing up during the troubles or his familyís experiences of the troubles has shaped his views, his stance is a simple one. He continues to play and the thugs/fans at these games are a minority


I donít or would never wear one, same as any other remembrance flower.

This is a forum millrown. Just because I am not forced to wear a poppy doesn't mean I cannot point out the rank hypocrisy of poppy fascism and the obvious bullying behaviour that goes on in the uk.

Obvious bullying? Do you honestly think Roy Keane (who is, Iíd imagined financially secure) being bullied? Wise up, if he has (or many others) any issues with wearing a poppy I think he wouldnít wear one.

Youíre possibly getting annoyed that some people actually want to wear one for the reasons itís actually for!

I see where you're coming from but at the same time do you think Roy rocked up to the Sky studio with a poppy already on or was there a selection in the studio for him with the expectation to wear one?

Same with Graham Norton show and the likes. Do those yank actors or whoever arrive with their poppy or are they provided with one?

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« Reply #2446 on: November 13, 2019, 09:50:38 AM »
I donít know exactly what point youíre making to be honest. Are you suggesting that Frank chose to wear one or was forced to wear one? Regardless Iím not sure Iíd want to be drawing any comparisons between Frank, whoís a pretty sound guy, and Roy Keane who I donít actually know but who seems to be a bully and a pretty nasty piece of work

Iíd imagine Frank chose to wear a poppy.
However there are influences in the workplace , in the public eye particularly , that affect that choice. Would Frank be wearing a poppy if he had remained around Newry for his work?
The poppy campaign is a charity for an honourable cause, however it has been hijacked by some.
I donít like the expectation on those in the public eye to wear one, and the abusive treatment of James McClean  over it , is clearly racist, yet not one prominent organisation has called it out, To my knowledge. Itíll be interesting to see the support he gets from his new Stoke manager Michael OíNeill.

Is it?

If WW1 was the war to end all wars, like they said, there would be no veterans left now. Therefore, no need for the charity. Of course, the Brits continue to stick their nose in around the world, so thereís always a war somewhere.

It would be interesting to know the number who marched in protest of the Iraq invasion in 2003, who also buy poppies. Iíd imagine quite a few. So even though theyíre against war, they help look after soldiers who were sent there.

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« Reply #2447 on: November 13, 2019, 10:03:54 AM »
I donít know exactly what point youíre making to be honest. Are you suggesting that Frank chose to wear one or was forced to wear one? Regardless Iím not sure Iíd want to be drawing any comparisons between Frank, whoís a pretty sound guy, and Roy Keane who I donít actually know but who seems to be a bully and a pretty nasty piece of work

Iíd imagine Frank chose to wear a poppy.
However there are influences in the workplace , in the public eye particularly , that affect that choice. Would Frank be wearing a poppy if he had remained around Newry for his work?
The poppy campaign is a charity for an honourable cause, however it has been hijacked by some.
I donít like the expectation on those in the public eye to wear one, and the abusive treatment of James McClean  over it , is clearly racist, yet not one prominent organisation has called it out, To my knowledge. Itíll be interesting to see the support he gets from his new Stoke manager Michael OíNeill.

Is it?

If WW1 was the war to end all wars, like they said, there would be no veterans left now. Therefore, no need for the charity. Of course, the Brits continue to stick their nose in around the world, so thereís always a war somewhere.

It would be interesting to know the number who marched in protest of the Iraq invasion in 2003, who also buy poppies. Iíd imagine quite a few. So even though theyíre against war, they help look after soldiers who were sent there.
That is not a contradiction.

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« Reply #2448 on: November 13, 2019, 10:23:39 AM »
I donít know exactly what point youíre making to be honest. Are you suggesting that Frank chose to wear one or was forced to wear one? Regardless Iím not sure Iíd want to be drawing any comparisons between Frank, whoís a pretty sound guy, and Roy Keane who I donít actually know but who seems to be a bully and a pretty nasty piece of work

Iíd imagine Frank chose to wear a poppy.
However there are influences in the workplace , in the public eye particularly , that affect that choice. Would Frank be wearing a poppy if he had remained around Newry for his work?
The poppy campaign is a charity for an honourable cause, however it has been hijacked by some.
I donít like the expectation on those in the public eye to wear one, and the abusive treatment of James McClean  over it , is clearly racist, yet not one prominent organisation has called it out, To my knowledge. Itíll be interesting to see the support he gets from his new Stoke manager Michael OíNeill.

Is it?

If WW1 was the war to end all wars, like they said, there would be no veterans left now. Therefore, no need for the charity. Of course, the Brits continue to stick their nose in around the world, so thereís always a war somewhere.

It would be interesting to know the number who marched in protest of the Iraq invasion in 2003, who also buy poppies. Iíd imagine quite a few. So even though theyíre against war, they help look after soldiers who were sent there.
That is not a contradiction.

I didnít say it was. But itís very strange all the same.

To me, the whole poppy push is about the British government neglecting their soldiers (not that I care much for them tbh) and itís the ordinary people who fund the soldiers post-war needs.

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« Reply #2449 on: November 13, 2019, 10:34:39 AM »
I donít know exactly what point youíre making to be honest. Are you suggesting that Frank chose to wear one or was forced to wear one? Regardless Iím not sure Iíd want to be drawing any comparisons between Frank, whoís a pretty sound guy, and Roy Keane who I donít actually know but who seems to be a bully and a pretty nasty piece of work

Iíd imagine Frank chose to wear a poppy.
However there are influences in the workplace , in the public eye particularly , that affect that choice. Would Frank be wearing a poppy if he had remained around Newry for his work?
The poppy campaign is a charity for an honourable cause, however it has been hijacked by some.
I donít like the expectation on those in the public eye to wear one, and the abusive treatment of James McClean  over it , is clearly racist, yet not one prominent organisation has called it out, To my knowledge. Itíll be interesting to see the support he gets from his new Stoke manager Michael OíNeill.

Is it?

If WW1 was the war to end all wars, like they said, there would be no veterans left now. Therefore, no need for the charity. Of course, the Brits continue to stick their nose in around the world, so thereís always a war somewhere.

It would be interesting to know the number who marched in protest of the Iraq invasion in 2003, who also buy poppies. Iíd imagine quite a few. So even though theyíre against war, they help look after soldiers who were sent there.
That is not a contradiction.

I didnít say it was. But itís very strange all the same.

To me, the whole poppy push is about the British government neglecting their soldiers (not that I care much for them tbh) and itís the ordinary people who fund the soldiers post-war needs.
Its not strange at all Benny. Its called empathy

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« Reply #2450 on: November 13, 2019, 01:21:03 PM »
Is there anyone on this forum forced to wear a poppy?


McClean is doing it for his reasons, principled. his growing up during the troubles or his familyís experiences of the troubles has shaped his views, his stance is a simple one. He continues to play and the thugs/fans at these games are a minority


I donít or would never wear one, same as any other remembrance flower.

This is a forum millrown. Just because I am not forced to wear a poppy doesn't mean I cannot point out the rank hypocrisy of poppy fascism and the obvious bullying behaviour that goes on in the uk.

Obvious bullying? Do you honestly think Roy Keane (who is, Iíd imagined financially secure) being bullied? Wise up, if he has (or many others) any issues with wearing a poppy I think he wouldnít wear one.

Youíre possibly getting annoyed that some people actually want to wear one for the reasons itís actually for!

I see where you're coming from but at the same time do you think Roy rocked up to the Sky studio with a poppy already on or was there a selection in the studio for him with the expectation to wear one?

Same with Graham Norton show and the likes. Do those yank actors or whoever arrive with their poppy or are they provided with one?

Yes its probably put to the yank actors that its normal around this time of year to wear a poppy for remembrance would you like to wear one? Hell yes I'd imagine would be the reply.. Now if one of the actors was not willing to wear it, are they not going to allow him to come on? I doubt that very much also
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« Reply #2451 on: November 13, 2019, 02:03:20 PM »
Is there anyone on this forum forced to wear a poppy?


McClean is doing it for his reasons, principled. his growing up during the troubles or his familyís experiences of the troubles has shaped his views, his stance is a simple one. He continues to play and the thugs/fans at these games are a minority


I donít or would never wear one, same as any other remembrance flower.

This is a forum millrown. Just because I am not forced to wear a poppy doesn't mean I cannot point out the rank hypocrisy of poppy fascism and the obvious bullying behaviour that goes on in the uk.

Obvious bullying? Do you honestly think Roy Keane (who is, Iíd imagined financially secure) being bullied? Wise up, if he has (or many others) any issues with wearing a poppy I think he wouldnít wear one.

Youíre possibly getting annoyed that some people actually want to wear one for the reasons itís actually for!

I see where you're coming from but at the same time do you think Roy rocked up to the Sky studio with a poppy already on or was there a selection in the studio for him with the expectation to wear one?

Same with Graham Norton show and the likes. Do those yank actors or whoever arrive with their poppy or are they provided with one?

Yes its probably put to the yank actors that its normal around this time of year to wear a poppy for remembrance would you like to wear one? Hell yes I'd imagine would be the reply.. Now if one of the actors was not willing to wear it, are they not going to allow him to come on? I doubt that very much also

I'd say its more likely to be, "oh, ok, if that's what everyone else is doing" in so much as not knowing any better than to row against the social norm.



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« Reply #2452 on: November 13, 2019, 03:32:21 PM »
Is there anyone on this forum forced to wear a poppy?


McClean is doing it for his reasons, principled. his growing up during the troubles or his familyís experiences of the troubles has shaped his views, his stance is a simple one. He continues to play and the thugs/fans at these games are a minority


I donít or would never wear one, same as any other remembrance flower.

This is a forum millrown. Just because I am not forced to wear a poppy doesn't mean I cannot point out the rank hypocrisy of poppy fascism and the obvious bullying behaviour that goes on in the uk.

Obvious bullying? Do you honestly think Roy Keane (who is, Iíd imagined financially secure) being bullied? Wise up, if he has (or many others) any issues with wearing a poppy I think he wouldnít wear one.

Youíre possibly getting annoyed that some people actually want to wear one for the reasons itís actually for!

I see where you're coming from but at the same time do you think Roy rocked up to the Sky studio with a poppy already on or was there a selection in the studio for him with the expectation to wear one?

Same with Graham Norton show and the likes. Do those yank actors or whoever arrive with their poppy or are they provided with one?

Yes its probably put to the yank actors that its normal around this time of year to wear a poppy for remembrance would you like to wear one? Hell yes I'd imagine would be the reply.. Now if one of the actors was not willing to wear it, are they not going to allow him to come on? I doubt that very much also

I'd say its more likely to be, "oh, ok, if that's what everyone else is doing" in so much as not knowing any better than to row against the social norm.

So if its not an issue for them, then fine? And if they felt deeply enough about this poppy madness then they wouldn't wear it?

If you were asked to go on TV late October November, I'd expect you not to be wearing a poppy, as would I.
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« Reply #2453 on: November 13, 2019, 04:00:30 PM »
Is there anyone on this forum forced to wear a poppy?


McClean is doing it for his reasons, principled. his growing up during the troubles or his familyís experiences of the troubles has shaped his views, his stance is a simple one. He continues to play and the thugs/fans at these games are a minority


I donít or would never wear one, same as any other remembrance flower.

This is a forum millrown. Just because I am not forced to wear a poppy doesn't mean I cannot point out the rank hypocrisy of poppy fascism and the obvious bullying behaviour that goes on in the uk.

Obvious bullying? Do you honestly think Roy Keane (who is, Iíd imagined financially secure) being bullied? Wise up, if he has (or many others) any issues with wearing a poppy I think he wouldnít wear one.

Youíre possibly getting annoyed that some people actually want to wear one for the reasons itís actually for!

I see where you're coming from but at the same time do you think Roy rocked up to the Sky studio with a poppy already on or was there a selection in the studio for him with the expectation to wear one?

Same with Graham Norton show and the likes. Do those yank actors or whoever arrive with their poppy or are they provided with one?

Yes its probably put to the yank actors that its normal around this time of year to wear a poppy for remembrance would you like to wear one? Hell yes I'd imagine would be the reply.. Now if one of the actors was not willing to wear it, are they not going to allow him to come on? I doubt that very much also

I'd say its more likely to be, "oh, ok, if that's what everyone else is doing" in so much as not knowing any better than to row against the social norm.

So if its not an issue for them, then fine? And if they felt deeply enough about this poppy madness then they wouldn't wear it?

If you were asked to go on TV late October November, I'd expect you not to be wearing a poppy, as would I.

If I were asked to go on TV late October, November why should someone in the studio feel compelled to offer me one if I haven't got one already, that's my point.
I can't say for sure that that's what happening but it sure as hell looks like it.

IMO there's now a fear for a lot of celebrities to be obliged to wear them for fear of a backlash for not wearing one and as the BL already have pointed out that is actually missing the point of the poppy.

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« Reply #2454 on: November 13, 2019, 04:07:34 PM »
I get that, though if someone asked me I wouldnít say to them, I have got one on now so why ask me to wear one?

Iíd just say no thanks, I think some people are hyping up this fear of not wearing a poppy will decide your future, if you challenge it then they have a problem.
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« Reply #2455 on: November 13, 2019, 04:59:52 PM »
I get that, though if someone asked me I wouldnít say to them, I have got one on now so why ask me to wear one?

Iíd just say no thanks, I think some people are hyping up this fear of not wearing a poppy will decide your future, if you challenge it then they have a problem.

So if its that simple, why do you think there isn't say at least 20% of people on TV not wearing them. Could it be fear they will not be asked onto TV again, Fear they will get abuse on social media, fear their kids will be targeted at school. Its Bullying, plain and simple.


You are unbelievably naive if you think that it is as simple as saying No. There are repercussions to saying No - ask James McClean.

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« Reply #2456 on: November 13, 2019, 07:54:01 PM »
I get that, though if someone asked me I wouldnít say to them, I have got one on now so why ask me to wear one?

Iíd just say no thanks, I think some people are hyping up this fear of not wearing a poppy will decide your future, if you challenge it then they have a problem.

So if its that simple, why do you think there isn't say at least 20% of people on TV not wearing them. Could it be fear they will not be asked onto TV again, Fear they will get abuse on social media, fear their kids will be targeted at school. Its Bullying, plain and simple.


You are unbelievably naive if you think that it is as simple as saying No. There are repercussions to saying No - ask James McClean.

Naive? No, but I understand that people will be asked to wear a poppy, that choice is then down to the individual,  if he/she is against it  then they shouldnít wear it, so by your math (god only knows where you you dug up that stat) 20 people of every 100 people on TV during October November are wearing it against their wishes?  Is there a link to that?
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« Reply #2457 on: November 13, 2019, 09:04:11 PM »
I get that, though if someone asked me I wouldnít say to them, I have got one on now so why ask me to wear one?

Iíd just say no thanks, I think some people are hyping up this fear of not wearing a poppy will decide your future, if you challenge it then they have a problem.

So if its that simple, why do you think there isn't say at least 20% of people on TV not wearing them. Could it be fear they will not be asked onto TV again, Fear they will get abuse on social media, fear their kids will be targeted at school. Its Bullying, plain and simple.


You are unbelievably naive if you think that it is as simple as saying No. There are repercussions to saying No - ask James McClean.

Naive? No, but I understand that people will be asked to wear a poppy, that choice is then down to the individual,  if he/she is against it  then they shouldnít wear it, so by your math (god only knows where you you dug up that stat) 20 people of every 100 people on TV during October November are wearing it against their wishes?  Is there a link to that?

There are negative repercussions in Britain for not wearing a poppy if you are a public figure.

So yes.  Choosing not to wear one will impact on your future.

To argue otherwise is either naive or stupid.

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« Reply #2458 on: November 13, 2019, 09:20:52 PM »
I get that, though if someone asked me I wouldnít say to them, I have got one on now so why ask me to wear one?

Iíd just say no thanks, I think some people are hyping up this fear of not wearing a poppy will decide your future, if you challenge it then they have a problem.

So if its that simple, why do you think there isn't say at least 20% of people on TV not wearing them. Could it be fear they will not be asked onto TV again, Fear they will get abuse on social media, fear their kids will be targeted at school. Its Bullying, plain and simple.


You are unbelievably naive if you think that it is as simple as saying No. There are repercussions to saying No - ask James McClean.

Naive? No, but I understand that people will be asked to wear a poppy, that choice is then down to the individual,  if he/she is against it  then they shouldnít wear it, so by your math (god only knows where you you dug up that stat) 20 people of every 100 people on TV during October November are wearing it against their wishes?  Is there a link to that?

There are negative repercussions in Britain for not wearing a poppy if you are a public figure.

So yes.  Choosing not to wear one will impact on your future.

To argue otherwise is either naive or stupid.

Read back on my posts, Iíve not said there is no repercussions. So bringing something up like that is stupid. People wear them because they want to. Thatís all Iíve said.
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« Reply #2459 on: November 13, 2019, 09:26:04 PM »
I get that, though if someone asked me I wouldnít say to them, I have got one on now so why ask me to wear one?

Iíd just say no thanks, I think some people are hyping up this fear of not wearing a poppy will decide your future, if you challenge it then they have a problem.

So if its that simple, why do you think there isn't say at least 20% of people on TV not wearing them. Could it be fear they will not be asked onto TV again, Fear they will get abuse on social media, fear their kids will be targeted at school. Its Bullying, plain and simple.


You are unbelievably naive if you think that it is as simple as saying No. There are repercussions to saying No - ask James McClean.

Naive? No, but I understand that people will be asked to wear a poppy, that choice is then down to the individual,  if he/she is against it  then they shouldnít wear it, so by your math (god only knows where you you dug up that stat) 20 people of every 100 people on TV during October November are wearing it against their wishes?  Is there a link to that?

There are negative repercussions in Britain for not wearing a poppy if you are a public figure.

So yes.  Choosing not to wear one will impact on your future.

To argue otherwise is either naive or stupid.

Read back on my posts, Iíve not said there is no repercussions. So bringing something up like that is stupid. People wear them because they want to. Thatís all Iíve said.

What nonsense.

You agree that there are negative repercussions for not wearing one and then say "People wear them because they want to".

Seriously??