Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.

Started by Joxer, October 06, 2010, 02:42:28 PM

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NAG1

Missing the point here, that Casement even being built to 'GAA' spec would still be a very attractive venue for large scale events and concerts etc. So the powers that be should be getting heads together now and determining how to deliver this on a scale and budget that works.

Rossfan

Quote from: twohands!!! on October 03, 2024, 01:00:57 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on October 03, 2024, 12:13:25 PMBig Plans in Cavan also

https://www.anglocelt.ie/2024/10/03/cavan-gaa-thinks-big-on-new-stadium/?fbclid=IwY2xjawFrWrFleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHZ-43uiPYDqm5auPntq3KKnsrMDtbfSzVtNrhwfJpH7meLUEkaT6MZ7m5g_aem_vTx-ROhoazFENlK06vkc2g#slide1


"We haven't even looked at costs yet. We're still at planning," he said [Chairman of Cavan GAA Kieran Callaghan]

If that one sentence didn't sum up the GAA approach to stadiums I don't know what does.




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marty34

Could Casement be built like the motorways - a PP artnership?

I know there's thousands of cars going up and down each day but is this a possibilty and an agreement made to pay back so much every year.

general_lee

Quote from: marty34 on October 03, 2024, 03:49:27 PMCould Casement be built like the motorways - a PP artnership?

I know there's thousands of cars going up and down each day but is this a possibilty and an agreement made to pay back so much every year.
No way.

twohands!!!

Quote from: NAG1 on October 03, 2024, 02:37:26 PMMissing the point here, that Casement even being built to 'GAA' spec would still be a very attractive venue for large scale events and concerts etc. So the powers that be should be getting heads together now and determining how to deliver this on a scale and budget that works.

Pretty sure the final planning granted for Casement said that only 3 concerts/large scale events per year could be held there which would seriously limit this as a revenue stream.

Pairc Ui Chaoimh and Croker have similar restrictions on the number of concerts.

Pairc Ui Chaoimh have only managed to have the maximum number of concerts for one of the years since it reopened and I'm sure there are loads of years that Croke Park hasn't managed to hold their maximum number of concerts.

So while Casement would possibly get some concerts, it definitely wouldn't be all that reliable an ongoing revenue stream.

armaghniac

Quote from: twohands!!! on October 03, 2024, 04:39:09 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on October 03, 2024, 02:37:26 PMMissing the point here, that Casement even being built to 'GAA' spec would still be a very attractive venue for large scale events and concerts etc. So the powers that be should be getting heads together now and determining how to deliver this on a scale and budget that works.

Pretty sure the final planning granted for Casement said that only 3 concerts/large scale events per year could be held there which would seriously limit this as a revenue stream.

Pairc Ui Chaoimh and Croker have similar restrictions on the number of concerts.

Pairc Ui Chaoimh have only managed to have the maximum number of concerts for one of the years since it reopened and I'm sure there are loads of years that Croke Park hasn't managed to hold their maximum number of concerts.

So while Casement would possibly get some concerts, it definitely wouldn't be all that reliable an ongoing revenue stream.

The could have the 12th of July there, that would be every year.
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twohands!!!

Quote from: armaghniac on October 03, 2024, 04:40:40 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on October 03, 2024, 04:39:09 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on October 03, 2024, 02:37:26 PMMissing the point here, that Casement even being built to 'GAA' spec would still be a very attractive venue for large scale events and concerts etc. So the powers that be should be getting heads together now and determining how to deliver this on a scale and budget that works.

Pretty sure the final planning granted for Casement said that only 3 concerts/large scale events per year could be held there which would seriously limit this as a revenue stream.

Pairc Ui Chaoimh and Croker have similar restrictions on the number of concerts.

Pairc Ui Chaoimh have only managed to have the maximum number of concerts for one of the years since it reopened and I'm sure there are loads of years that Croke Park hasn't managed to hold their maximum number of concerts.

So while Casement would possibly get some concerts, it definitely wouldn't be all that reliable an ongoing revenue stream.

The could have the 12th of July there, that would be every year.

Probably would have to rebuild it every year.

Godsown

Quote from: twohands!!! on October 03, 2024, 04:41:27 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 03, 2024, 04:40:40 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on October 03, 2024, 04:39:09 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on October 03, 2024, 02:37:26 PMMissing the point here, that Casement even being built to 'GAA' spec would still be a very attractive venue for large scale events and concerts etc. So the powers that be should be getting heads together now and determining how to deliver this on a scale and budget that works.

Pretty sure the final planning granted for Casement said that only 3 concerts/large scale events per year could be held there which would seriously limit this as a revenue stream.

Pairc Ui Chaoimh and Croker have similar restrictions on the number of concerts.

Pairc Ui Chaoimh have only managed to have the maximum number of concerts for one of the years since it reopened and I'm sure there are loads of years that Croke Park hasn't managed to hold their maximum number of concerts.

So while Casement would possibly get some concerts, it definitely wouldn't be all that reliable an ongoing revenue stream.

The could have the 12th of July there, that would be every year.

Probably would have to rebuild it every year.
Well there'd be at least fumigation costs annually in that case

Rossfan

Jarlath meeting Minister Lyons tomorrow.
I presume it's a "where do we go from here" meeting.
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p3427977

Quote from: Rossfan on October 30, 2024, 06:57:01 PMJarlath meeting Minister Lyons tomorrow.
I presume it's a "where do we go from here" meeting.
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Have the LCC been invited?

Saffrongael

So Labour have essentially said, you have been given extra money in the budget, get on with it

Casement Park will be downsized, say GAA president

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1lgv6rg7n1o

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Quote from: Saffrongael on October 31, 2024, 12:26:00 PMSo Labour have essentially said, you have been given extra money in the budget, get on with it

Casement Park will be downsized, say GAA president

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1lgv6rg7n1o


The sound of a penny dropping.

Duine Inteacht Eile

I remember "Sunningdale for slow learners" being a phrase.

Similar.

Duine Inteacht Eile

Also, a lot of the capacity arguments over the years centred on Casement needing to be at least the same capacity as Clones in order to host Ulster finals.

In 2019, Clones' capacity dropped by 7,500 to 29,000? Just like that....

Why was that?

How would a 25,000 bells & whistles stadium look now? Because they wouldn't have had a problem getting that over the line more than 10 years ago.

Evil Genius

Quote from: twohands!!! on October 03, 2024, 04:39:09 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on October 03, 2024, 02:37:26 PMMissing the point here, that Casement even being built to 'GAA' spec would still be a very attractive venue for large scale events and concerts etc. So the powers that be should be getting heads together now and determining how to deliver this on a scale and budget that works.

Pretty sure the final planning granted for Casement said that only 3 concerts/large scale events per year could be held there which would seriously limit this as a revenue stream.


So while Casement would possibly get some concerts, it definitely wouldn't be all that reliable an ongoing revenue stream.
twohands!!! is correct - the GAA's own Event Management Plan from 2018 proposed "Up to a maximum 3 outdoor music events
per year up to 34,186 in attendance":
(See Page 8, Section 3.2 - https://minutes.belfastcity.gov.uk/documents/s92471/APPENDIX%202d%20S76%20Annex%203%20Event%20Management%20Plan.pdf

I cannot see how (up to) 3 concerts could generate significant revenue, not least since the GAA aren't in the concert business, meaning they could even lose money. While if they sub-contracted events to a specialist promoter, that promoter would require a significant management fee, while being indemnified against any loss.

While there would be major problems with increasing that number beyond three, incl.
1. Planning Permission;
2. Local residents' objections;
3. Such a venue would be directly competing with other Belfast venues, whether Council operated or privately owned, therefore government funding for such a purpose could be challenged as Unfair Competition/State Aid;
4. In any case, funding was promised for Sporting purposes only, so that if the GAA is thinking of generating significant revenues from non-Sporting events, those revenues should in principle actually be returned to government.
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