Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

If Casement doesn't happen due to bigotry and sectarianism then that truly will be the final nail in the coffin for Northern Ireland.  Nolan, Alistair etc just can't see that.

It's estimated to cost around 4 times the original £77m. The GAA refuse to budge on the £15m they pledged 15 years ago.
But bigotry & sectarianism....

Why would they offer more, the actual site is worth money, easy for  the GAA to see casement for private housing and build elsewhere. It was not their fault that it wasn't built and Rugby gave nothing and the IFA not much more. The GAA re-invests every penny in the grass roots more than can be said for either Rugby or Soccer.

Why would anyone else then? The GAA have a bottom line figure that they won't budge on. Fair enough but it's hard to complain that another body has too.

Also, it was not their fault it wasn't built? That's right. Everyone else is to blame for that.

Hold on. The GAA were 100% committed to a shared stadium and rowed in behind that committing games and money. It was not the GAA's fault it got pulled.

Hold on. The GAA got more than enough money to build a stadium to suit their needs (just like soccer & rugby did) BUT they, through their total incompetence, completely fumbled it.

[The Trap]

Most people I know don't think Casement is a good idea.

If built to current spec it will be an enormous drain on resources.

For example if Ulster Council make circa 1 million from an Ulster final in Clones they can spread most of that around.

In the future all of that and a whole lot more will have to go to the upkeep of Casement. It will be some burden for Antrim GAA in particular.

For vanity purposes it would be great to see it built but the GAA don't need it.

[imtommygunn]

Agree with that - don't think the scale of it needed at all. Don't know about the burden on antrim GAA. They won't be responsible for the upkeep.

There has been significant incompetence in this project. It's easy to play the sectarian card but you look at things like the social club and how that was handled. Has been a disaster from day one.

[Dreadnought]

Most people I know don't think Casement is a good idea.

If built to current spec it will be an enormous drain on resources.

For example if Ulster Council make circa 1 million from an Ulster final in Clones they can spread most of that around.

In the future all of that and a whole lot more will have to go to the upkeep of Casement. It will be some burden for Antrim GAA in particular.

For vanity purposes it would be great to see it built but the GAA don't need it.

Most people? Most I've talked to and seen online want it

Yes it'll need upkeep, but with the events likely to be there it'll clear that by far. And won't this be on Ulster GAA? They're taking it over as far as I'm aware, so that'll not be on Antrim

[Applesisapples]

This Stadium should not be looked at solely from the point of view of GAA matches alone. With a proper  stadium management team, marketing etc it should become a profit centre. Concerts, other sporting events, commercialisation, stadium tours, GAA museum etc... should mean that far from being a drain it will add to resources. It should bring jobs and  footfall to the local area supporting both local and wider Belfast businesses.

[Rossfan]

Don't know what Apples is reading?
Is it 60,000 per annum or per match?
I presume the annual cost of if maintaining Croker is in the Finance Report somewhere?

[trailer]

Most people I know don't think Casement is a good idea.

If built to current spec it will be an enormous drain on resources.

For example if Ulster Council make circa 1 million from an Ulster final in Clones they can spread most of that around.

In the future all of that and a whole lot more will have to go to the upkeep of Casement. It will be some burden for Antrim GAA in particular.

For vanity purposes it would be great to see it built but the GAA don't need it.

You don't know what you are talking about.

[Wildweasel74]

No. But the GAA got abit to blame been so unprepared for the new stadium.There were 4 houses that needed to be brought for a proper exit point, and they should tried to buy these over the years before pushing for a Casement park overall.Not foreseeing the push back from residents. 80% no interest in the GAA. Not looking at proper fire exit procedure/ building regulations, there's plenty they messed up on.

[The Trap]

OK Trailer you tell us how Casement will make the 10 million a year it will need to wash its face?
Thats based on a 200 million spend with 5% running costs per annum.

[The Trap]

Actually someone post up a revenue and expenditure estimate for how Casement will be run and if it works I will hold my hands up and say by all means work away. A great stadium like that would of course be wonderful.

[Dreadnought]

OK Trailer you tell us how Casement will make the 10 million a year it will need to wash its face?
Thats based on a 200 million spend with 5% running costs per annum.

Can't believe you typed out 10 million running costs with a straight face. Where on earth are you getting that from?

[Armagh18]

I'm a bit lost in this Casement Park debacle.

The GAA are paying £15m toward a £300m Stadium.

Soccer will be played there in the Euros.

The GAA then get it all to themselves for Games, Concerts, Conferences, etc

GAA get all the revenue?

Essentially yes. However having those events add in to the local economy in many ways. Hence why government should indeed be adding more in. As they are a beneficiary in those many ways. Including the actual building of the thing too. The 300 million being quoted is quite mad as it seems to have no substantiation, and fits a certain narrative for the 'other side'. Cost even in that was said to be likely to be far lower and closer to the 200 million mark. And either way, like said, a building project like this is not the incineration of money. It adds in to the local economy massively, and is then there for generations afterwards to make money.

Should say though, that rental cost should be looked at and be right for what's needed. Let's say Ulster Rugby need it for a big European knockout match that otherwise would have went to Dublin. Rental cost should be what it costs to open it and maintain for the event with no losses. But should not be making huge profits off others like this considering government input. Take concert event promoters for every penny you can get though...

Don't forget  that on many occasions such as Antrim Club games or home national league games the stadium will run at a loss. I read some where that Croke Park needs to sell C. 60,000 tickets to break even.

Would love to know where on earth the price of 60k tickets is spent on that tbh.

[Dougal Maguire]

I'm a bit lost in this Casement Park debacle.

The GAA are paying £15m toward a £300m Stadium.

Soccer will be played there in the Euros.

The GAA then get it all to themselves for Games, Concerts, Conferences, etc

GAA get all the revenue?

Where exactly are you lost?

[square_ball]

Don't forget  that on many occasions such as Antrim Club games or home national league games the stadium will run at a loss. I read some where that Croke Park needs to sell C. 60,000 tickets to break even.

Bit of a myth that one.

Many had been led to believe that the GAA required a crowd of 30,000 in Croke Park to financially break even on the day but this school of thought was rubbished by the association's stadium and commercial director Peter McKenna in Michael Moynihan's GAAconomics.

"That's an urban myth. It costs between €40,000 and €120,000 to open the stadium and we often open it at a loss. The break-even figure? For the smallest crowd, it would be €30,000 so 10,000 people paying €3 each, or €5,000 paying €6 each would do it."

[trailer]

OK Trailer you tell us how Casement will make the 10 million a year it will need to wash its face?
Thats based on a 200 million spend with 5% running costs per annum.

Is this a serious post?