Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.

[Milltown Row2]

While my preference would always be for Antrim to get a home venue and as a season ticket holder from the start I would never be one of the 8 I find the embarrassing thing here is that so many have jumped on a poster who suggests a different view. What is the use of a forum if alternative views are treated this way?

Ok, talk me through this statement


I'm not 1 of the 8 but wish them every success.
As I've posted many times I've absolutely no time for the argument that the players had "a right" to a home game.

My only regret is that it will be the Association and not the players  who end up settling.

I've said it before but it bears repeating,  if Antrim had any chance of winning anything the players would not have been nearly as militant but throwing them out of the competition would have meant nothing.

[Throw ball]

While my preference would always be for Antrim to get a home venue and as a season ticket holder from the start I would never be one of the 8 I find the embarrassing thing here is that so many have jumped on a poster who suggests a different view. What is the use of a forum if alternative views are treated this way?

Ok, talk me through this statement


I'm not 1 of the 8 but wish them every success.
As I've posted many times I've absolutely no time for the argument that the players had "a right" to a home game.

My only regret is that it will be the Association and not the players  who end up settling.

I've said it before but it bears repeating,  if Antrim had any chance of winning anything the players would not have been nearly as militant but throwing them out of the competition would have meant nothing.

I cannot speak for the original poster but alternative views:

1. Antrim do not have a ground suitable to hold the fixture and health and safety said it should be held elsewhere.
2. Season ticket holders have a right to buy a ticket for the game.
3. The GAA decided to ignore season ticket holder rights and some - as they are permitted - decide to take legal action.

Worst case outcome for season ticket holders - GAA scrap scheme and genuine supporters lose out.

Contra

1. Antrim were first out of hat and should be at home.
2. Many think this is straightforward and simple.

However,

1. The GAA lose out in thousands that could be put to the development of Casement.
2. Many genuine supporters lose out.
3. Will the result be that all matches are played at neutral venues be the result? That would mean venues like Ballybofey for example would be less likely to get games due to geography.

There are many other considerations too. My argument is that so many ' traditional thinkers ' disagree with a posters opinion and collectively suggest what they say is embarrassing instead of putting an argument against their position.

[Milltown Row2]

So money? As the game is televised

[Tony Baloney]

While my preference would always be for Antrim to get a home venue and as a season ticket holder from the start I would never be one of the 8 I find the embarrassing thing here is that so many have jumped on a poster who suggests a different view. What is the use of a forum if alternative views are treated this way?

Ok, talk me through this statement


I'm not 1 of the 8 but wish them every success.
As I've posted many times I've absolutely no time for the argument that the players had "a right" to a home game.

My only regret is that it will be the Association and not the players  who end up settling.

I've said it before but it bears repeating,  if Antrim had any chance of winning anything the players would not have been nearly as militant but throwing them out of the competition would have meant nothing.

I cannot speak for the original poster but alternative views:

1. Antrim do not have a ground suitable to hold the fixture and health and safety said it should be held elsewhere.
2. Season ticket holders have a right to buy a ticket for the game.
3. The GAA decided to ignore season ticket holder rights and some - as they are permitted - decide to take legal action.

Worst case outcome for season ticket holders - GAA scrap scheme and genuine supporters lose out.

Contra

1. Antrim were first out of hat and should be at home.
2. Many think this is straightforward and simple.

However,

1. The GAA lose out in thousands that could be put to the development of Casement.
2. Many genuine supporters lose out.
3. Will the result be that all matches are played at neutral venues be the result? That would mean venues like Ballybofey for example would be less likely to get games due to geography.

There are many other considerations too. My argument is that so many ' traditional thinkers ' disagree with a posters opinion and collectively suggest what they say is embarrassing instead of putting an argument against their position.

The 8 supporters don't give a shit about loss of revenue or indeed a match against the might of Antrim. 8 people with a chip on their shoulder thinking it will make them look like big men in the pub.

[David McKeown]

While my preference would always be for Antrim to get a home venue and as a season ticket holder from the start I would never be one of the 8 I find the embarrassing thing here is that so many have jumped on a poster who suggests a different view. What is the use of a forum if alternative views are treated this way?

Ok, talk me through this statement


I'm not 1 of the 8 but wish them every success.
As I've posted many times I've absolutely no time for the argument that the players had "a right" to a home game.

My only regret is that it will be the Association and not the players  who end up settling.

I've said it before but it bears repeating,  if Antrim had any chance of winning anything the players would not have been nearly as militant but throwing them out of the competition would have meant nothing.

I cannot speak for the original poster but alternative views:

1. Antrim do not have a ground suitable to hold the fixture and health and safety said it should be held elsewhere.
2. Season ticket holders have a right to buy a ticket for the game.
3. The GAA decided to ignore season ticket holder rights and some - as they are permitted - decide to take legal action.

Worst case outcome for season ticket holders - GAA scrap scheme and genuine supporters lose out.

Contra

1. Antrim were first out of hat and should be at home.
2. Many think this is straightforward and simple.

However,

1. The GAA lose out in thousands that could be put to the development of Casement.
2. Many genuine supporters lose out.
3. Will the result be that all matches are played at neutral venues be the result? That would mean venues like Ballybofey for example would be less likely to get games due to geography.

There are many other considerations too. My argument is that so many ' traditional thinkers ' disagree with a posters opinion and collectively suggest what they say is embarrassing instead of putting an argument against their position.

The 8 supporters don't give a shit about loss of revenue or indeed a match against the might of Antrim. 8 people with a chip on their shoulder thinking it will make them look like big men in the pub.

Playing devils advocate to a degree

Or alternatively low income households who were concerned that they had been  mislead to over pay for a season ticket that the Association then shifts the goal posts on in order to accommodate other parties.

I also note the email to season ticket holders specifically references Armagh season ticket holders. I hope that means Antrim season ticket holders are getting what they massively over paid for.

[Tony Baloney]

While my preference would always be for Antrim to get a home venue and as a season ticket holder from the start I would never be one of the 8 I find the embarrassing thing here is that so many have jumped on a poster who suggests a different view. What is the use of a forum if alternative views are treated this way?

Ok, talk me through this statement


I'm not 1 of the 8 but wish them every success.
As I've posted many times I've absolutely no time for the argument that the players had "a right" to a home game.

My only regret is that it will be the Association and not the players  who end up settling.

I've said it before but it bears repeating,  if Antrim had any chance of winning anything the players would not have been nearly as militant but throwing them out of the competition would have meant nothing.

I cannot speak for the original poster but alternative views:

1. Antrim do not have a ground suitable to hold the fixture and health and safety said it should be held elsewhere.
2. Season ticket holders have a right to buy a ticket for the game.
3. The GAA decided to ignore season ticket holder rights and some - as they are permitted - decide to take legal action.

Worst case outcome for season ticket holders - GAA scrap scheme and genuine supporters lose out.

Contra

1. Antrim were first out of hat and should be at home.
2. Many think this is straightforward and simple.

However,

1. The GAA lose out in thousands that could be put to the development of Casement.
2. Many genuine supporters lose out.
3. Will the result be that all matches are played at neutral venues be the result? That would mean venues like Ballybofey for example would be less likely to get games due to geography.

There are many other considerations too. My argument is that so many ' traditional thinkers ' disagree with a posters opinion and collectively suggest what they say is embarrassing instead of putting an argument against their position.

The 8 supporters don't give a shit about loss of revenue or indeed a match against the might of Antrim. 8 people with a chip on their shoulder thinking it will make them look like big men in the pub.

Playing devils advocate to a degree

Or alternatively low income households who were concerned that they had been  mislead to over pay for a season ticket that the Association then shifts the goal posts on in order to accommodate other parties.

I also note the email to season ticket holders specifically references Armagh season ticket holders. I hope that means Antrim season ticket holders are getting what they massively over paid for.

Come on David, how many low income households are taking legal action over a 20 quid ticket for a match vs Antrim.

[Wildweasel74]

Let look at the expressed will. This I presume the Ulster council and Armagh large support. The Ulster Council gotta take a massive portion of blame on Casement. They didn't read the room, overspec and too large a stadium on a tight site. fire safety issues. Planning issues. Political infighting, and especially local residents (i know a couple) who zero interest in GAA and do not want the area blocked up multi times per yr with fball and concerts. From Antrim point of view, should they took this stance years earlier.? Armagh fans are gonna lose out but as covid relaxed I went to Derry Offaly with 2500(max allowed) couldn't go to Donegal v Derry (Limit 200 people) Feel annoyed (As weeks later crowds increased massively) but that's the way it was.

[trueblue1234]

While my preference would always be for Antrim to get a home venue and as a season ticket holder from the start I would never be one of the 8 I find the embarrassing thing here is that so many have jumped on a poster who suggests a different view. What is the use of a forum if alternative views are treated this way?

Ok, talk me through this statement


I'm not 1 of the 8 but wish them every success.
As I've posted many times I've absolutely no time for the argument that the players had "a right" to a home game.

My only regret is that it will be the Association and not the players  who end up settling.

I've said it before but it bears repeating,  if Antrim had any chance of winning anything the players would not have been nearly as militant but throwing them out of the competition would have meant nothing.

I cannot speak for the original poster but alternative views:

1. Antrim do not have a ground suitable to hold the fixture and health and safety said it should be held elsewhere.
2. Season ticket holders have a right to buy a ticket for the game.
3. The GAA decided to ignore season ticket holder rights and some - as they are permitted - decide to take legal action.

Worst case outcome for season ticket holders - GAA scrap scheme and genuine supporters lose out.

Contra

1. Antrim were first out of hat and should be at home.
2. Many think this is straightforward and simple.

However,

1. The GAA lose out in thousands that could be put to the development of Casement.
2. Many genuine supporters lose out.
3. Will the result be that all matches are played at neutral venues be the result? That would mean venues like Ballybofey for example would be less likely to get games due to geography.

There are many other considerations too. My argument is that so many ' traditional thinkers ' disagree with a posters opinion and collectively suggest what they say is embarrassing instead of putting an argument against their position.

The 8 supporters don't give a shit about loss of revenue or indeed a match against the might of Antrim. 8 people with a chip on their shoulder thinking it will make them look like big men in the pub.

Playing devils advocate to a degree

Or alternatively low income households who were concerned that they had been  mislead to over pay for a season ticket that the Association then shifts the goal posts on in order to accommodate other parties.

I also note the email to season ticket holders specifically references Armagh season ticket holders. I hope that means Antrim season ticket holders are getting what they massively over paid for.

Come on David, how many low income households are taking legal action over a 20 quid ticket for a match vs Antrim.

There is no chance these are low income families. It's someone who's nose is out of joint at the thought of not getting a ticket. They didn't even wait to see if they were going to get one before taking action which, to me, signals everything. They are more interested in getting the row than the actual impact of not getting a ticket. Had this been against a global commercial conglomerate I might have had some sympathy, even considered it principled. But that they are doing so against a community organisation such as the GAA is disgusting. It's akin to suing a charity.

[AustinPowers]

Let look at the expressed will. This I presume the Ulster council and Armagh large support. The Ulster Council gotta take a massive portion of blame on Casement. They didn't read the room, overspec and too large a stadium on a tight site. fire safety issues. Planning issues. Political infighting, and especially local residents (i know a couple) who zero interest in GAA and do not want the area blocked up multi times per yr with fball and concerts. From Antrim point of view, should they took this stance years earlier.? Armagh fans are gonna lose out but as covid relaxed I went to Derry Offaly with 2500(max allowed) couldn't go to Donegal v Derry (Limit 200 people) Feel annoyed (As weeks later crowds increased massively) but that's the way it was.

Plus, what use  would  the original 38,000 stadium have been  when the provincial  championships are slowly  dying? Even Ulster. 

Antrim would never  have filled it, hurling or football. Every other Ulster county  have adequate sized grounds, and all counties will want to play  any QF/semis at Croke Park.

Even as it is,  a  planned 32,000(?) stadium would be   a white elephant.

[armaghniac]

There is no chance these are low income families. It's someone who's nose is out of joint at the thought of not getting a ticket. They didn't even wait to see if they were going to get one before taking action which, to me, signals everything. They are more interested in getting the row than the actual impact of not getting a ticket. Had this been against a global commercial conglomerate I might have had some sympathy, even considered it principled. But that they are doing so against a community organisation such as the GAA is disgusting. It's akin to suing a charity.

That's not much of a point, they need to start the case while there is still time to change things.
If the GAA is a community organisation they why is it going to so much trouble to stop people going to its game?

[David McKeown]

While my preference would always be for Antrim to get a home venue and as a season ticket holder from the start I would never be one of the 8 I find the embarrassing thing here is that so many have jumped on a poster who suggests a different view. What is the use of a forum if alternative views are treated this way?

Ok, talk me through this statement


I'm not 1 of the 8 but wish them every success.
As I've posted many times I've absolutely no time for the argument that the players had "a right" to a home game.

My only regret is that it will be the Association and not the players  who end up settling.

I've said it before but it bears repeating,  if Antrim had any chance of winning anything the players would not have been nearly as militant but throwing them out of the competition would have meant nothing.

I cannot speak for the original poster but alternative views:

1. Antrim do not have a ground suitable to hold the fixture and health and safety said it should be held elsewhere.
2. Season ticket holders have a right to buy a ticket for the game.
3. The GAA decided to ignore season ticket holder rights and some - as they are permitted - decide to take legal action.

Worst case outcome for season ticket holders - GAA scrap scheme and genuine supporters lose out.

Contra

1. Antrim were first out of hat and should be at home.
2. Many think this is straightforward and simple.

However,

1. The GAA lose out in thousands that could be put to the development of Casement.
2. Many genuine supporters lose out.
3. Will the result be that all matches are played at neutral venues be the result? That would mean venues like Ballybofey for example would be less likely to get games due to geography.

There are many other considerations too. My argument is that so many ' traditional thinkers ' disagree with a posters opinion and collectively suggest what they say is embarrassing instead of putting an argument against their position.

The 8 supporters don't give a shit about loss of revenue or indeed a match against the might of Antrim. 8 people with a chip on their shoulder thinking it will make them look like big men in the pub.

Playing devils advocate to a degree

Or alternatively low income households who were concerned that they had been  mislead to over pay for a season ticket that the Association then shifts the goal posts on in order to accommodate other parties.

I also note the email to season ticket holders specifically references Armagh season ticket holders. I hope that means Antrim season ticket holders are getting what they massively over paid for.

Come on David, how many low income households are taking legal action over a 20 quid ticket for a match vs Antrim.

I did say I was playing devil's advocate.

The point I'm more trying to make is we have no idea why people are doing this.

[Milltown Row2]

Cause someone (solicitor possibly) had mentioned to these 8, they (Ulster council) have broken (possibly) a contract and we could get some traction/attention/money outta this?

[marty34]

While my preference would always be for Antrim to get a home venue and as a season ticket holder from the start I would never be one of the 8 I find the embarrassing thing here is that so many have jumped on a poster who suggests a different view. What is the use of a forum if alternative views are treated this way?

Ok, talk me through this statement


I'm not 1 of the 8 but wish them every success.
As I've posted many times I've absolutely no time for the argument that the players had "a right" to a home game.

My only regret is that it will be the Association and not the players  who end up settling.

I've said it before but it bears repeating,  if Antrim had any chance of winning anything the players would not have been nearly as militant but throwing them out of the competition would have meant nothing.

I cannot speak for the original poster but alternative views:

1. Antrim do not have a ground suitable to hold the fixture and health and safety said it should be held elsewhere.
2. Season ticket holders have a right to buy a ticket for the game.
3. The GAA decided to ignore season ticket holder rights and some - as they are permitted - decide to take legal action.

Worst case outcome for season ticket holders - GAA scrap scheme and genuine supporters lose out.

Contra

1. Antrim were first out of hat and should be at home.
2. Many think this is straightforward and simple.

However,

1. The GAA lose out in thousands that could be put to the development of Casement.
2. Many genuine supporters lose out.
3. Will the result be that all matches are played at neutral venues be the result? That would mean venues like Ballybofey for example would be less likely to get games due to geography.

There are many other considerations too. My argument is that so many ' traditional thinkers ' disagree with a posters opinion and collectively suggest what they say is embarrassing instead of putting an argument against their position.

The 8 supporters don't give a shit about loss of revenue or indeed a match against the might of Antrim. 8 people with a chip on their shoulder thinking it will make them look like big men in the pub.

Playing devils advocate to a degree

Or alternatively low income households who were concerned that they had been  mislead to over pay for a season ticket that the Association then shifts the goal posts on in order to accommodate other parties.

I also note the email to season ticket holders specifically references Armagh season ticket holders. I hope that means Antrim season ticket holders are getting what they massively over paid for.

Come on David, how many low income households are taking legal action over a 20 quid ticket for a match vs Antrim.

I did say I was playing devil's advocate.

The point I'm more trying to make is we have no idea why people are doing this.

I don't think devil's advocate is needed in this case.

8 X Armagh fans are being muppets.

[smelmoth]

I think if you have bought season tickets for you and your family and cannot get tickets for this match you have a right to feel aggrieved. Does anyone disagree with that?

Antrim Gaels similarly have the right to feel aggrieved about the mess Ulster Council have made of Casement Park. Antrim Gaels no doubt are asking what their own county have done regarding facilities within the county and what fund raising is ongoing to address this in the future.

The legal case, for those prepared to take one, looks cut and dried. The GAA can rightly refuse to issue a match ticket if there isn't capacity but there doesn't appear to be anything in the Ts&Cs that allows the GAA to refuse to issue a match ticket to a season ticket holder so that they can issue the same ticket to someone else. The fact that the ticket is being issued to someone else by definition means that it is not a stadium capacity issue.

The wider position is complicated more by Antrim not having season ticket holders. But that won't affect the legal case.

I won't be taking any legal case but if I was a journalist I'd be asking the GAA if they are bound by contract law and will they be holding any other party to contract law? Their position on that could be quoted back to them before the Casement debacle concludes.

[trueblue1234]

There is no chance these are low income families. It's someone who's nose is out of joint at the thought of not getting a ticket. They didn't even wait to see if they were going to get one before taking action which, to me, signals everything. They are more interested in getting the row than the actual impact of not getting a ticket. Had this been against a global commercial conglomerate I might have had some sympathy, even considered it principled. But that they are doing so against a community organisation such as the GAA is disgusting. It's akin to suing a charity.

That's not much of a point, they need to start the case while there is still time to change things.
If the GAA is a community organisation they why is it going to so much trouble to stop people going to its

There is no chance these are low income families. It's someone who's nose is out of joint at the thought of not getting a ticket. They didn't even wait to see if they were going to get one before taking action which, to me, signals everything. They are more interested in getting the row than the actual impact of not getting a ticket. Had this been against a global commercial conglomerate I might have had some sympathy, even considered it principled. But that they are doing so against a community organisation such as the GAA is disgusting. It's akin to suing a charity.

That's not much of a point, they need to start the case while there is still time to change things.
If the GAA is a community organisation they why is it going to so much trouble to stop people going to its game?

They're arguing about something that might not happen. That's a very valid point imo. And says plenty.
Your second point is just your usual nonsense. The GAA is a community organisation. Trying to punish it when it's been put in a difficult position is a low act. And I'm glad to see most Armagh fans don't see it the same way as you and are prepared to call it out.