Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.

[p3427977]

Lads the IFA are not the reason Casement is in the shape it is.

Burns said this morning the tender documents have been ready to go since March. Gordon Lyons I believe has stopped the tender being issued so he has alot of blame to take.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

Lads the IFA are not the reason Casement is in the shape it is.

Burns said this morning the tender documents have been ready to go since March. Gordon Lyons I believe has stopped the tender being issued so he has alot of blame to take.

Do we think that had a major impact on the British Govt's decision?
Why are we only hearing a complaint about this now? Why has everyone not been screaming the house down about this since March?

Also, for a project that has been held up for 15 years, it's a bit much to lay "a lot of the blame" on some hoor who held it up for 5 months!!

[armaghniac]

Lads the IFA are not the reason Casement is in the shape it is.

Burns said this morning the tender documents have been ready to go since March. Gordon Lyons I believe has stopped the tender being issued so he has alot of blame to take.

No doubt Lyons is not a nice person, and this could have contributed to the delay, but London does not want to pay end of.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

That'd be my take too.

[RadioGAAGAA]

Lads the IFA are not the reason Casement is in the shape it is.

Burns said this morning the tender documents have been ready to go since March. Gordon Lyons I believe has stopped the tender being issued so he has alot of blame to take.

If that is the case, to be brutally honest, I'm glad he did.

Far too many on here don't appreciate what the ongoing maintenance burden would be for the Ulster Council.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/theres-a-10-year-programme-of-work-to-do-at-croke-park-its-expensive-it-could-cost-up-to-60m/35245828.html

The GAA is facing a bill of up to €60m for refurbishment work in Croke Park over the next ten years. It comes after €1m was spent on painting the roof of the stands to prevent corrosion of the massive structure.

https://www.thestadiumbusiness.com/2023/11/09/gaa-begins-e12m-refurbishment-of-croke-park/

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2022/11/03/croke-park-energy-costs-more-than-double-with-fuel-bills-up-by-15m/

If I get time over the next few days, will dig through the GAA accounts to try and figure out what a reasonable estimate for the current Casement design might be.


This in particular had a line that jumped out at me:
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/gaa/analysis-right-spend-12-million-28074061

Meath GAA will begin work on the €20 million redevelopment of Pairc Tailteann next year, with a state-of-the-art 5,000 all seater stand part of this.

https://www.meathchronicle.ie/2024/07/17/pairc-tailteann-development-delayed/

The development will consist of state of the art facilities, a 5,000 seater stand, modern dressing rooms, comprehensive medical and official rooms, as well as enhanced media facilities. When completed it will bring the capacity of the ground up to 20,000. The full cost of the redevelopment will be in the region of €24 million.

This is broadly what Casement should have been.


Can anyone read into the Pairc Tailteann redevelopment then really complain about why £400m wasn't dumped on Casement?

[Tony Baloney]

Lads the IFA are not the reason Casement is in the shape it is.

Burns said this morning the tender documents have been ready to go since March. Gordon Lyons I believe has stopped the tender being issued so he has alot of blame to take.

No doubt Lyons is not a nice person, and this could have contributed to the delay, but London does not want to pay end of.

Correct. Clearly there would be poor optics of taking fuel payments from pensioners and then pumping hundreds of millions into a stadium in Belfast (where nobody votes for Labour).

[Deerstalker]

Lads the IFA are not the reason Casement is in the shape it is.

Burns said this morning the tender documents have been ready to go since March. Gordon Lyons I believe has stopped the tender being issued so he has alot of blame to take.

Why didn't Sinn Fein take the communities department ?

[p3427977]

Lads the IFA are not the reason Casement is in the shape it is.

Burns said this morning the tender documents have been ready to go since March. Gordon Lyons I believe has stopped the tender being issued so he has alot of blame to take.

Why didn't Sinn Fein take the communities department ?

I honestly don't know. I think SF took Finance first and maybe expected DUP to take Economy but did they take Communities instead?

[armaghniac]

Meath GAA will begin work on the €20 million redevelopment of Pairc Tailteann next year, with a state-of-the-art 5,000 all seater stand part of this.

https://www.meathchronicle.ie/2024/07/17/pairc-tailteann-development-delayed/
The development will consist of state of the art facilities, a 5,000 seater stand, modern dressing rooms, comprehensive medical and official rooms, as well as enhanced media facilities. When completed it will bring the capacity of the ground up to 20,000. The full cost of the redevelopment will be in the region of €24 million.

This is broadly what Casement should have been.
Can anyone read into the Pairc Tailteann redevelopment then really complain about why £400m wasn't dumped on Casement?

How much public money did Pairc Tailteann get?

[Deerstalker]

Lads the IFA are not the reason Casement is in the shape it is.

Burns said this morning the tender documents have been ready to go since March. Gordon Lyons I believe has stopped the tender being issued so he has alot of blame to take.

Why didn't Sinn Fein take the communities department ?

I honestly don't know. I think SF took Finance first and maybe expected DUP to take Economy but did they take Communities instead?

Sinn Fein had two chances to take it if I remember correctly

[NAG1]

Lads the IFA are not the reason Casement is in the shape it is.

Burns said this morning the tender documents have been ready to go since March. Gordon Lyons I believe has stopped the tender being issued so he has alot of blame to take.

Why didn't Sinn Fein take the communities department ?

I honestly don't know. I think SF took Finance first and maybe expected DUP to take Economy but did they take Communities instead?

Sinn Fein had two chances to take it if I remember correctly

I would say they had a fair idea this was going to be the outcome all along and didn't want to be the department having to stand over this bad news. Plus other cuts to the welfare budget would give them bad optics.

This project has been a nightmare from the outset with so many 'mistakes' or bad actors working on it from day one.

Lots of questions to be answered by;
Ulster GAA
Sport NI
Antrim GAA
SF
DfC

From a bit of desk research the figure I've seen for a GAA stadium would be £250m taking out the need for the Euros spec.

[illdecide]

I see now this morning a figure of £450m has been used...WTF. I'm hearing the figure on the Tender Doc's in £285m. There is no other way to dress it up other than we have been shafted...GAA was promised a Stadium in line with the other two sports and it was reneged on. The sooner you men from across the dirty border realise that the other half up here believe this is money for the Provos and nothing else, they have celebrated up here for not getting the funding like they'd won the lottery.
You can compare it too whatever you like but Ulster and more importantly Antrim do not have a stadium to play inter county matches in and that's not right, I genuinely don't know where it goes from here but it needs sorting ASAP.

[Rossfan]

Sad bitter pricks but Euro 28 will go ahead without them and their sectarianism and they won't be missed by the 95% of normal 21st Century people on these islands.

Meanwhile time to use the available monies to get a new pitch laid and whatever stand/terracing can be constructed.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

I see now this morning a figure of £450m has been used...WTF. I'm hearing the figure on the Tender Doc's in £285m. There is no other way to dress it up other than we have been shafted...GAA was promised a Stadium in line with the other two sports and it was reneged on. The sooner you men from across the dirty border realise that the other half up here believe this is money for the Provos and nothing else, they have celebrated up here for not getting the funding like they'd won the lottery.
You can compare it too whatever you like but Ulster and more importantly Antrim do not have a stadium to play inter county matches in and that's not right, I genuinely don't know where it goes from here but it needs sorting ASAP.

They definitely were handed the opportunity to develop a stadium way beyond the what the other two sports got.
They currently have around £120m to get themselves a stadium.
They are just pushing for more.

It is the goose that laid the golden egg.

[JPGJOHNNYG]

Just build this

Capacity will suit Ulster Gaa
Mixed terrace and seating
Looks great
140 million euro cost so money already there and this was built in Germany so should cost similar in NI not like the ridiculously inflated quotes mentioned in the media

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildparkstadion