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Re: Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.
« Reply #3450 on: February 19, 2021, 07:47:31 PM »
That's the point. Ulster had this figured out in the 50's and 60's, where the Ulster final rotated between the three venues. Ulster needs a Munster solution where the finals can move about. Clones for northern half of Ulster is a bad location, so the vision for Casement is correct. The management of this has been an absolute disaster

It isn't a solution to have several enormous great stadiums only used every 4 or 5 years.
Belfast is not only offside in Ulster but offside in Ireland, there are few neutral games that it would suit.
However, a stadium in Belfast and an somewhat improved Clones for games that it suited would be OK, if they get it done.

An inflatable roof would be a game changer at Casement.

Complains about Stadia in Munster and then wants one with a retractable stadium in Belfast?

You need to go back and do your sums on that one

There is a difference between complaining about multiple stadiums infrequently used and suggesting a way to make one stadium more useful and so used more.
I am not an expert on the cost of the economics of such roofs. But the fact that the Connacht training centre has one suggests that perhaps this technology might be now becoming more affordable.
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« Reply #3451 on: February 19, 2021, 10:21:21 PM »
That's the point. Ulster had this figured out in the 50's and 60's, where the Ulster final rotated between the three venues. Ulster needs a Munster solution where the finals can move about. Clones for northern half of Ulster is a bad location, so the vision for Casement is correct. The management of this has been an absolute disaster

It isn't a solution to have several enormous great stadiums only used every 4 or 5 years.
Belfast is not only offside in Ulster but offside in Ireland, there are few neutral games that it would suit.
However, a stadium in Belfast and an somewhat improved Clones for games that it suited would be OK, if they get it done.

An inflatable roof would be a game changer at Casement.

Complains about Stadia in Munster and then wants one with a retractable stadium in Belfast?

You need to go back and do your sums on that one

There is a difference between complaining about multiple stadiums infrequently used and suggesting a way to make one stadium more useful and so used more.
I am not an expert on the cost of the economics of such roofs. But the fact that the Connacht training centre has one suggests that perhaps this technology might be now becoming more affordable.

I see you did a bit of editing and changed it from retractable to inflatable

Still wouldn’t be a runner

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Re: Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.
« Reply #3452 on: February 19, 2021, 11:29:27 PM »
I see you did a bit of editing and changed it from retractable to inflatable

Still wouldn’t be a runner

I think that you are seeing things, my original post was not edited. I never thought that that heavy roof spanning a GAA pitch would be economic, but inflatable roofs seem to have developed recently. I said it would be a game changer, not that it would necessarily be affordable, I just do not know.
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« Reply #3453 on: February 20, 2021, 12:46:17 PM »
That's the point. Ulster had this figured out in the 50's and 60's, where the Ulster final rotated between the three venues. Ulster needs a Munster solution where the finals can move about. Clones for northern half of Ulster is a bad location, so the vision for Casement is correct. The management of this has been an absolute disaster

It isn't a solution to have several enormous great stadiums only used every 4 or 5 years.
Belfast is not only offside in Ulster but offside in Ireland, there are few neutral games that it would suit.
However, a stadium in Belfast and an somewhat improved Clones for games that it suited would be OK, if they get it done.

An inflatable roof would be a game changer at Casement.

Complains about Stadia in Munster and then wants one with a retractable stadium in Belfast?

You need to go back and do your sums on that one

There is a difference between complaining about multiple stadiums infrequently used and suggesting a way to make one stadium more useful and so used more.
I am not an expert on the cost of the economics of such roofs. But the fact that the Connacht training centre has one suggests that perhaps this technology might be now becoming more affordable.

The inflatable Connaught trainig center is just a type of building.  They don't deflate it and move it around

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« Reply #3454 on: February 20, 2021, 08:42:45 PM »
I see Crusaders have the go ahead for a new stand.

Nothing out of the ordinary and simple works.. 
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« Reply #3455 on: February 22, 2021, 05:50:26 PM »
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This money for this Stadium is coming from the NI Executive. So can we put an end to can we not revamp Clones etc. The stadium gets built in the wee six or the money doesn't exist.
It's funny how we get Munster, Leinster and Connaught gaels telling us we shouldn't build a stadium, when they have somewhere in the region of 316 stadiums in their own provinces. The GAA needs a future proofed state of the art stadium built in Ulster. The NI Executive fund the shortfall. The Stadium gets built. That's it. Happy to discuss locations in Wee six, Dungannon, Portadown somewhere central all great ideas but it simply must happen.

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Why should the executive fund the shortfall ?  Is the same amount not going to all 3 main sports ?  Is it the executives fault if the GAA cant get its house in order ?

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Why should the executive fund the shortfall ? - Because they are part of the delay.

Is the same amount not going to all 3 main sports ? - No -

Is it the executives fault if the GAA cant get its house in order ? -Executive didn't sit for three years.

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Ok so why are the 3 sports not getting the same ? 

How come Ravenhill and Windsor are finished and Casement hasn't started ?

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Ok so why are the 3 sports not getting the same ? 

How come Ravenhill and Windsor are finished and Casement hasn't started ?

Because we had absolute amateurs running the GAA project. The other associations didnt

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This money for this Stadium is coming from the NI Executive. So can we put an end to can we not revamp Clones etc. The stadium gets built in the wee six or the money doesn't exist.
It's funny how we get Munster, Leinster and Connaught gaels telling us we shouldn't build a stadium, when they have somewhere in the region of 316 stadiums in their own provinces. The GAA needs a future proofed state of the art stadium built in Ulster. The NI Executive fund the shortfall. The Stadium gets built. That's it. Happy to discuss locations in Wee six, Dungannon, Portadown somewhere central all great ideas but it simply must happen.

For me, in occupied 6, somewhere in mid Ulster,

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The two main reasons that the completion of a newly modernised Casement Park has taken so long are: Number One. There was a long protracted   dispute from a local Residents Association which basically objected to the size of the new stadium as well as other ancillary objections. The nature of such objections is that it takes an inordinate  amount of time  for such objections to be heard and acted upon. As a consequence the Ulster GAA Council could not lodge their revised plans until 2017.


Then came Reason Number Two: A dispute between the  DUP and Sinn Fein led to the collapse of the Executive. As a consequence there was no politician with the power to sign off on the Ulster Council's last  submission. It was only when the Executive was reformed that new incoming Minister Nichola Mallon could give the final go ahead which she duly and correctly acceded to.So the Ulster Council can not be blamed for the delay and the corresponding additional expenditure.

Hopefully all other necessary completion steps will be speedily agreed and that we will see a newly reconstructed modern Stadium ready for 2022 Ulster final between Donegal and Derry with the Antrim v Offaly All Ireland Tailteann Cup quarter final preceding it as a curtain raiser in a packed Casement Park!!( By the way it was the Executive's fault that the budget for the new Park has overrun by so much so they should be responsible for  the vast bulk of the additional funding.)

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Why should the executive fund the shortfall ?  Is the same amount not going to all 3 main sports ?  Is it the executives fault if the GAA cant get its house in order ?

Would you give basketball in NI the same as Swimming? Different sports with different participation levels require different levels of funding.

The agreement when the shared stadium fell to shit was that the NI Executive would fund 3 suitable stadiums. The Executive then fell to shit and project was put on ice. Definitely the GAA had gobshites running the project but there was definitely other stuff going on. Michelle McIlveen and Danny Kennedy headed the dept overseeing the project from the Executives side. Planning was stalled for more reasons than a residents dispute.