AISF 2010: Corcaigh vs Áth Cliath

[heffo]

How many of the Dublin starting 15 v Tyrone are 23 or under it's seems like a very young looking team this year

IMO Bernard Brogan has been Footballer of the Year so far.. will be interesting to see how the cork backs deal with him? & Gaa HQ said it's going to be a sell out so 60,000 Dubs going?

He has but he he still doesn't have the consistent string of good performances in the championship his brother has. Bernard is far more gifted but at times isn't as consistent. Its tough as he's usually double marked these days. But by and large he's been brilliant this year.

u23's not many Ross.

Mc Auley is 23. You'd have to ask Pillar why that took so long

Nolan is 22

Mc Mahon is about 22.

O Carroll is 21

Thats it from the first 15.

Fitzsimons is 20/21 - he was full back on the Cuala U21 team who won the A championship this year.

McCauley did a year in Australia plus a few summers in the States while in college

Flynn, O'Gara, Brennan & Corkery all 24

[INDIANA]

How many of the Dublin starting 15 v Tyrone are 23 or under it's seems like a very young looking team this year

IMO Bernard Brogan has been Footballer of the Year so far.. will be interesting to see how the cork backs deal with him? & Gaa HQ said it's going to be a sell out so 60,000 Dubs going?

He has but he he still doesn't have the consistent string of good performances in the championship his brother has. Bernard is far more gifted but at times isn't as consistent. Its tough as he's usually double marked these days. But by and large he's been brilliant this year.

u23's not many Ross.

Mc Auley is 23. You'd have to ask Pillar why that took so long

Nolan is 22

Mc Mahon is about 22.

O Carroll is 21

Thats it from the first 15.

Fitzsimons is 20/21 - he was full back on the Cuala U21 team who won the A championship this year.

McCauley did a year in Australia plus a few summers in the States while in college

Flynn, O'Gara, Brennan & Corkery all 24

Corkery is 27 smokey. O gara is 25 and 26 early nest year. Brennan is 24 alright.

[heffo]

How many of the Dublin starting 15 v Tyrone are 23 or under it's seems like a very young looking team this year

IMO Bernard Brogan has been Footballer of the Year so far.. will be interesting to see how the cork backs deal with him? & Gaa HQ said it's going to be a sell out so 60,000 Dubs going?

He has but he he still doesn't have the consistent string of good performances in the championship his brother has. Bernard is far more gifted but at times isn't as consistent. Its tough as he's usually double marked these days. But by and large he's been brilliant this year.

u23's not many Ross.

Mc Auley is 23. You'd have to ask Pillar why that took so long

Nolan is 22

Mc Mahon is about 22.

O Carroll is 21

Thats it from the first 15.

Fitzsimons is 20/21 - he was full back on the Cuala U21 team who won the A championship this year.

McCauley did a year in Australia plus a few summers in the States while in college

Flynn, O'Gara, Brennan & Corkery all 24

Corkery is 27 smokey. O gara is 25 and 26 early nest year. Brennan is 24 alright.

Didn't think Corkery was that old but will take your word for it!

O'Gara is definitely 24

[Reillers]

Cork if they stand up and actually play should win it in the end, but I'd be worried if they keep up the current form. Hopefully there will be no Dub fans with the whistles in the crowd, cost Tyrone a goal chance or two, really bad form.

It's a very raw Dublin team, they've done well to get this far, if Cork continue to play the way they have been than Dublin have a decent chance, but hopefully the real Cork will turn up.

[heffo]

Cork if they stand up and actually play should win it in the end, but I'd be worried if they keep up the current form. Hopefully there will be no Dub fans with the whistles in the crowd, cost Tyrone a goal chance or two, really bad form.

It's a very raw Dublin team, they've done well to get this far, if Cork continue to play the way they have been than Dublin have a decent chance, but hopefully the real Cork will turn up.u

I was playing golf with an erstwhile clubmate of yours two weeks ago ....he was telling me some stories...

[Chris agus Snoop]

Canty out is a loss but not as much as people are saying. His form isn't great compared to last year.

Shields - B Brogan
Cadogan - O gara
Miskella - A Brogan

Could be how they line up. Dubs play 5 forwards so B Brogan can be double marked.

[Zulu]

Shields would be roasted by Brogan so I can't see that one happening. Cadogan would be the best bet IMO but Brogan is unmarkable at the moment so 2 or 3 lads should assigned to him.

[DUBSFORSAM1]

Canty out is a loss but not as much as people are saying. His form isn't great compared to last year.

Shields - B Brogan
Cadogan - O gara
Miskella - A Brogan

Could be how they line up. Dubs play 5 forwards so B Brogan can be double marked.

Amazing how Canty had to get moved onto Gooch to cover him when in trouble against Kerry, how he had to take Shields place against Shine because he was in trouble. Would you say that Miskella is a close enough marker to mark A Brogan??

Imagine Brogan one on one against Shields in front of the goal, that would be heaven for Dublin...

[ross4life]

Shields would be roasted by Brogan so I can't see that one happening. Cadogan would be the best bet IMO but Brogan is unmarkable at the moment so 2 or 3 lads should assigned to him.

Shields was the All-star FB last year & was outstanding at fb in Corks All ireland under 21 win in 2007... He's only troubled when the forward he marks is taller than him

Shields v B Brogan will be worth the admission fee alone

[GalwayBayBoy]

Shields would be roasted by Brogan so I can't see that one happening. Cadogan would be the best bet IMO but Brogan is unmarkable at the moment so 2 or 3 lads should assigned to him.

Shields was the All-star FB last year & was outstanding at fb in Corks All ireland under 21 win in 2007... He's only troubled when the forward he marks is taller than him

Actually Meehan took him to the cleaners during the league but that's Meehan who is probably up there with the likes of Brogan when he's fully fit. Most full-forwards aren't as good as those two. I agree with Zulu though in that I don't think Shields is as good as advertised as a full-back. Not that it makes him a bad player.

[Zulu]

Shields would be roasted by Brogan so I can't see that one happening. Cadogan would be the best bet IMO but Brogan is unmarkable at the moment so 2 or 3 lads should assigned to him.

Shields was the All-star FB last year & was outstanding at fb in Corks All ireland under 21 win in 2007... He's only troubled when the forward he marks is taller than him

Shields v B Brogan will be worth the admission fee alone

Shields is a fine wing back or maybe center back but he is no full back and would be in trouble against any top FF, which BB most certainly is.

[ross4life]

Certainly doesn't make him a bad player as on his day Meehan is one of the best forward's in the Game

Shields 2010 Championship stats

1st game, at CHB he marked Declan O'Sullivan Scored 0-0
2nd game,at CHB he marked Declan O'Sullivan Scored 0-2
3rd game, at FB he marked S Johnston scored 0-1(a free)
4th game, at FB he marked M Forde scored 0-1
5th game, at FB he marked I Ryan scored 0-1 (a free)
6th game at FB he marked D Shine in 1st half Scored 0-3 & 2nd half at CHB he marked D O'Gara scored 0-0

So pretty impressive stats but with Canty out they won't have the option of swapping places this time 

[Zulu]

In fairness R4L you can't judge Shields on those games as Cavan were awful and the weather was terrible agianst Wexford, who only got 5 points so Shields man got 20% of their scores. He is a fine footballer but he isn't a top quality FB IMO.

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

Cork will have to betray footballing ability to match their undoubted athleticism soon, or they'll be consigned to history as "the best All-Ireland winners we never had", much like their countyman Micheál Martin now has the unfortunate moniker of the "best Taoiseach we never had".

I'm not convinced, far from it actually. It's true that teams are overawed at times by the sheer power of their running, and strength of their fielding. But that's not footballing skill per se, and if opposition footballers aren't cowed by that, they've every chance, provided of course that they themselves have the footballing wherewithal. Dublin might just have that.

[Mike Sheehy]

Cork will have to betray footballing ability to match their undoubted athleticism soon, or they'll be consigned to history as "the best All-Ireland winners we never had", much like their countyman Micheál Martin now has the unfortunate moniker of the "best Taoiseach we never had".

I'm not convinced, far from it actually. It's true that teams are overawed at times by the sheer power of their running, and strength of their fielding. But that's not footballing skill per se, and if opposition footballers aren't cowed by that, they've every chance, provided of course that they themselves have the footballing wherewithal. Dublin might just have that.

....a Tyroneman claiming the moral high ground on the aesthetics of Gaelic football...I've heard it all now   

ffs...you have driven a stake into the heart of midfield play and you have just broken the record for short kick outs (...and lost !) ....yet you have the cheek to moralize on skill ...................you, sir, have no right to comment on what is considered a "skill" in a Gaelic football.