Israel Attack Humanitarian Ship, 10 men killed

[Tyrones own]

Next we'll need Muppet to give you a lesson on
making assumptions based on assumptions

.....as against invading countries based on assumptions...........

Depends on who you ask;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEIOtn1wk5g&feature=related

[seafoid]

I can't wait to see what Fintan Lane and the rest of the crew have  to say about Israel.

[seafoid]

TO

Get your war on

Laugh your ass off

http://www.mnftiu.cc/category/gywo/war81/

[muppet]

Next we'll need Muppet to give you a lesson on
making assumptions based on assumptions

.....as against invading countries based on assumptions...........

Depends on who you ask;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEIOtn1wk5g&feature=related

Nope.

Tell me this, when did Clinton invade Iraq?

More lies. 

[Gaoth Dobhair Abu]

Jesus, a people are suffering and any humanitarian aid that is sent through is stopped!!

How blind does the world have to be before we act!

[Tyrones own]

Next we'll need Muppet to give you a lesson on
making assumptions based on assumptions

.....as against invading countries based on assumptions...........

Depends on who you ask;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEIOtn1wk5g&feature=related

Nope.

Tell me this, when did Clinton invade Iraq?

More lies. 

He didn't have time, he was too busy running from the threat that was
Bin Laden whilst being the worlds police man by bombing
the fcuk out of the threat to the world that were the Serbs 
And in getting back to Iraq... It was Clinton's dodgy intelligence on WMD's
in the 90's that was the "Lie" that W hadn't told yet 

The video is pretty self explanatory...Clinton with massive bipartisan support
In the house and senate were convinced and committed to a regime change under the threat of WMD's and by any means necessary!
But yet it was Bush who lied...Clinton just got it wrong! 
#Ignoranceisbliss

[muppet]

Yes, Clinton was the reason George Bush invaded Iraq.

His smoking but not inhaling was responsible for the disaster in Vietnam.

His love of bacon caused the Bay of Pigs too.

[Tyrones own]

Yes, Clinton was the reason George Bush invaded Iraq.

His smoking but not inhaling was responsible for the disaster in Vietnam.

His love of bacon caused the Bay of Pigs too.

Yes and when you clear the table off of all your nonsensical
Immature smoke and mirrors rubbish, what are you left with
....the fact that Bush was far from alone in the belief there were WMD's
or to put it in simpler terms, the "lie" that
he supposedly told wasn't picked up off the floor!
Its pretty clear that there wouldn't be a lot of people on here that would
be aware of that fact and for those of you that are, are very uneasy with facts like that.
Truth generally does that to vindictive, spiteful pretenders like you muppet

[muppet]

Yes, Clinton was the reason George Bush invaded Iraq.

His smoking but not inhaling was responsible for the disaster in Vietnam.

His love of bacon caused the Bay of Pigs too.

Yes and when you clear the table off of all your nonsensical
Immature smoke and mirrors rubbish, what are you left with
....the fact that Bush was far from alone in the belief there were WMD's
or to put it in simpler terms, the "lie" that
he supposedly told wasn't picked up off the floor!
Its pretty clear that there wouldn't be a lot of people on here that would
be aware of that fact and for those of you that are, are very uneasy with facts like that.
Truth generally does that to vindictive, spiteful pretenders like you muppet

That nonsense might fly in the States. But you are making a fool out of yourself posting it here. Iraq has been analysed on this side of the pond in a way Americans would not believe. Ask Tony Blair. His credibility is destroyed. Just like Bush's internationally. Only fools like yourself arguing with your nightmares might still believe.

[muppet]

However I acknowledge your blaming of Clinton (or Bush or whoever you want) for Iraq as an admission of guilt on behalf of the States.

[Arthur_Friend]

[seafoid]

http://electronicintifada.net/blog/david/we-must-challenge-israeli-mindset-says-rugby-star-turned-blockade-buster


"We must challenge Israeli mindset," says rugby star turned blockade buster
Submitted by david on Fri, 11/11/2011 - 12:49
Trevor Hogan, best-known as an international rugby player, was one of 14 Irish people detained by Israel over the past week after they tried to break the illegal siege of Gaza.

In a telephone interview this morning, Hogan recalled how the MV Saoirse (called after the Gaelic word for freedom) and the Canadian-flagged Tahrir were approaching the waters off Gaza last Friday (4 November) afternoon when they were intercepted by the Israeli navy.

"They were circling us for ages, with their rifles trained on us," he told me. "It was surreal looking out our window at these guns."

Still in international waters, the two boats were surrounded by numerous Israeli vessels. Hogan estimates there were 15 or 16 vessels in total, including several full-sized warships. Eventually, the MV Saoirse was attacked by water cannons.

"The water cannons destroyed the electricity," said Hogan. "They flooded the engine room. We had to use emergency power. The boat could have sunk if it went on much longer."

Balaclava-clad Israeli commandos then boarded the Saoirse. "We just stayed sitting down peacefully," he added. "They wanted to search us on deck but we refused. We all acquitted ourselves well. One sudden move and they were sure to fire. My heart was pumping looking at this."

Hogan expected to be beaten when the Israelis brought their captives to the port of Ashdod. But the arrival of an Irish diplomat at the port "calmed things down."

Women "stressed and traumatized"

Hogan said that the Israelis kept him and the others awake on their first night in Givon Prison. But the treatment was even worse for the two women, Zoe Lawlor and Mags O'Brien, on the boat, who were detained separately from the 12 men.

"There was solidarity among us [the men]," he said. "We were all together. We managed to meet them [the two women] for 20 minutes each time the consular was there. You could see that the girls were stressed and traumatized. They were under serious pressure."

Yesterday morning, seven of the 14 were scheduled to be flown from Ben Gurion airport in Tel Aviv to London. Yet they were prevented from boarding a British Airways flight by the Israeli authorities and placed into cells in the airport.

"Givon was tough enough," Hogan said. "Ben Gurion was a lot worse. We thought we were going home and then we were banged up in cells. It was more decrepit. There was no information and no free association. We were held apart."

Israel has blamed British Airways for the episode at Ben Gurion, alleging that the carrier would not take the seven campaigners. "Maybe there was an element of the airline being at fault," Hogan explained. "But there was more to it than that. It was part of a pattern. They wanted lessons to be learnt and that's why they made life as difficult as they could for us. We didn't sign anything saying we were criminals, [even though] there were threats made that we would be kept [in prison] indefinitely."

Five of the Irish, including Hogan, were put on a later flight and arrived in Dublin late last night. Two others, Fintan Lane and Zoe Lawlor, were stopped from taking that later flight and were instead made to travel via Istanbul. They and the seven remaining prisoners are expected to land in Dublin today.

Effective tactic

Hogan retired from professional rugby earlier this year because of persistent knee injuries. His efforts to reach Gaza as part of the Freedom Flotilla II during the summer and now with the smaller Freedom Waves initiative have been supported by a number of Irish sports personalities.

He is adamant that the attempts to penetrate the Gaza blockade have been worthwhile. "We don't want to make out that we are the victims or martyrs," he said. "We were in Givon Prison. But Gaza is the world's largest prison. Whatever we have gone through, the Palestinians have to go through 10 times worse.

"It was very interesting to notice the attitude of the Israelis towards us. They couldn't comprehend why were doing this. What we were doing challenges their mindset and that is why it is such an effective tactic. They treat the Palestinians as if they are subhuman. They don't think Palestinians deserve to live in a normal society, to be able to import and export and fish and farm. It's great to be able to meet that mindset head on."

[muppet]

They couldn't comprehend why were doing this.

The brain-washing works extremely well. I watched a current affairs programme on TV in California a few years ago. It was a discussion between an ordinary Joe type presenter and a 'Middle Eastern expert'.

The presenter reasonably asked why would young people living in Gaza, with all of their lives a head of them, volunteer to blow themselves to pieces? (this was when there were lots of suicide bombings)

The 'expert' went on a rant calling them less than human and said he couldn't understand why they didn't go to college like everyone else!

[seafoid]

They couldn't comprehend why were doing this.

The brain-washing works extremely well. I watched a current affairs programme on TV in California a few years ago. It was a discussion between an ordinary Joe type presenter and a 'Middle Eastern expert'.

The presenter reasonably asked why would young people living in Gaza, with all of their lives a head of them, volunteer to blow themselves to pieces? (this was when there were lots of suicide bombings)

The 'expert' went on a rant calling them less than human and said he couldn't understand why they didn't go to college like everyone else!

In the 12th century Welsh writer Giraldus Cambrensis wrote that the Irish were "so barbarous as to not have any culture. A wild and inhospitable people who live like beasts, are devoted to laziness, barbarian (although incomparably skilled in music), treacherous and vicious. Their coronation ritual was detailed. "The King copulates with a white mare which is then slaughtered and boiled- the king washes in the water and his people eat the meat and drink the soup. " 

http://books.google.ch/books?id=ihGBk8dTW9IC&pg=PA292&lpg=PA292&dq#v=onepage&q&f=false

We have heard all this colonial bullshit before and we don't buy it.  Israel is just another coloniser.

[Hardy]

They couldn't comprehend why were doing this.

The brain-washing works extremely well. I watched a current affairs programme on TV in California a few years ago. It was a discussion between an ordinary Joe type presenter and a 'Middle Eastern expert'.

The presenter reasonably asked why would young people living in Gaza, with all of their lives a head of them, volunteer to blow themselves to pieces? (this was when there were lots of suicide bombings)

The 'expert' went on a rant calling them less than human and said he couldn't understand why they didn't go to college like everyone else!

In the 12th century Welsh writer Giraldus Cambrensis wrote that the Irish were "so barbarous as to not have any culture. A wild and inhospitable people who live like beasts, are devoted to laziness, barbarian (although incomparably skilled in music), treacherous and vicious. Their coronation ritual was detailed. "The King copulates with a white mare which is then slaughtered and boiled- the king washes in the water and his people eat the meat and drink the soup. " 

http://books.google.ch/books?id=ihGBk8dTW9IC&pg=PA292&lpg=PA292&dq#v=onepage&q&f=false

We have heard all this colonial bullshit before and we don't buy it.  Israel is just another coloniser.

In all fairness he only ever got as far as Tyrone.