Israel Attack Humanitarian Ship, 10 men killed

[mylestheslasher]

    :- :'(X

[Tyrones own]

  :- :'(X

Oh dear...somebody got in to his mothers drink cupboard again.

[Tyrones own]

The flotilla is a mere symbolic focal point hiding the real agenda,
destruction of Israel,  you're fooling no one anymore.
Are you sailing yourself this time around Nally 

About as much chance of that happening as you being a humanitarian.....but keep telling yourself

What...Nally or any of the rest ye pillars of society here for that matter sailing out to actually do something rather than run your mouths, you're probably right
...no chance! 

Well I'm off to Uganda in September for 1 month as part of a team to build a school......so can I put you down for a donation?
Many thanks in advance.

Sure but you must be mistaking this for a humanitarian aid thread,
You might be better off to start a new thread, one that's agenda free and
where it's sole intent is to actually help people.

No mistake....the flotilla's aims were to bring much wanted aid and expose Israel's mis-treatment of the people of Gaza.....but little has changed as they answer to no one. Try for a minute to put yourself in the shoes of a male in Gaza.....what would you do?
What are their options? If you honestly believe that there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza then I know that I'm not going to convince you otherwise.

If you'd go back and read over this thread you'd realize that I've never once denied that there's a crisis in Gaza, but I'd have thought it should be pretty clear here to anyone paying attention that if there was as much emphasis placed on helping the situation as there is in getting the boot in to Israel at every turn, deserved or not, the people of Gaza might be a whole lot better off.

Aren't "humanitarians" supposed to be peaceful, caring, tolerant and understanding people?
there are lads here that are no better than some Israelis imo
because the fact is, Hate begets Hate!

[Groucho]

The flotilla is a mere symbolic focal point hiding the real agenda,
destruction of Israel,  you're fooling no one anymore.
Are you sailing yourself this time around Nally 

About as much chance of that happening as you being a humanitarian.....but keep telling yourself

What...Nally or any of the rest ye pillars of society here for that matter sailing out to actually do something rather than run your mouths, you're probably right
...no chance! 

Well I'm off to Uganda in September for 1 month as part of a team to build a school......so can I put you down for a donation?
Many thanks in advance.

Sure but you must be mistaking this for a humanitarian aid thread,
You might be better off to start a new thread, one that's agenda free and
where it's sole intent is to actually help people.

No mistake....the flotilla's aims were to bring much wanted aid and expose Israel's mis-treatment of the people of Gaza.....but little has changed as they answer to no one. Try for a minute to put yourself in the shoes of a male in Gaza.....what would you do?
What are their options? If you honestly believe that there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza then I know that I'm not going to convince you otherwise.

If you'd go back and read over this thread you'd realize that I've never once denied that there's a crisis in Gaza, but I'd have thought it should be pretty clear here to anyone paying attention that if there was as much emphasis placed on helping the situation as there is in getting the boot in to Israel at every turn, deserved or not, the people of Gaza might be a whole lot better off.

Aren't "humanitarians" supposed to be peaceful, caring, tolerant and understanding people?
there are lads here that are no better than some Israelis imo
because the fact is, Hate begets Hate!

There are none so blind as those that will not see

[seafoid]

FT print edition says :

"the protest did succeed, however, in laying bare Israel's growing sensitivity to new forms of protest and in exposing the Israeali Government to charges of "overreaction" and "hysteria" - both inside the country and abroad.

The organisers of the action which was held under the motto "welcome to Palestine" hailed it as a success. In a statement issued on Friday they decried the Israeli crackdown but said "we are pleased that this episode further exposes Israeli policy towards anyone or anyone relating to Palestinians as dictatorial, racist and criminal".


http://www.salem-news.com/articles/july082011/air-flotilla-mq.php

ETHLEHEM / JERUSALEM) - This campaign that we have been working very hard on for months is just beginning. The week of activities will go on with all your help. We will plan bigger and more dramatic events in the months to come. The collusion of the governments and corporations in Israeli occupation and colonization must be further exposed.

The Israeli authorities are escalating attacks on anyone they suspect of participating in the peaceful events of the 'Welcome to Palestine' campaign. Israeli authorities sent hundreds of names to airline companies telling them to deny travel to individuals on the list. Several people on the list who had booked flights were sent letters from airline companies cancelling their reservations 'based on a request from the Israeli authorities.' We call on all airline companies not to accept such provocative, blackmailing, and illegal actions by the Israeli government. Ominously, Israeli Prime minister has directed the interior security minister that the Israeli authorities must 'act with determination' towards those who do make it to Ben Gurion Airport.

The visitors coming from the US and Europe on Friday are committed to the principles of international and humanitarian law and believe strictly in nonviolence. They were invited by dozens of Palestinian civil society organizations and groups. They have stated that the only way to visit and work with Palestinians is by passing through Israeli border controls. They have declared their commitment to pass these border controls in an orderly, peaceful and fully transparent way. Before stepping onto the airplanes, the visitors will have passed through meticulous security procedures at the various airports of origin and will pose no threat in any way. The propaganda efforts to paint human rights advocates as 'hooligans' and even 'violent' (an attempt to demonize and dehumanize them in order to justify violence against them) is simply not credible and indeed ridiculous. We are pleased that this episode further exposes Israeli policies towards anything or anyone relating to 'Palestinians' as dictatorial, racist, and criminal and not complying with basic elements of democracy or human rights.

[Tyrones own]

The flotilla is a mere symbolic focal point hiding the real agenda,
destruction of Israel,  you're fooling no one anymore.
Are you sailing yourself this time around Nally 

About as much chance of that happening as you being a humanitarian.....but keep telling yourself

What...Nally or any of the rest ye pillars of society here for that matter sailing out to actually do something rather than run your mouths, you're probably right
...no chance! 

Well I'm off to Uganda in September for 1 month as part of a team to build a school......so can I put you down for a donation?
Many thanks in advance.

Sure but you must be mistaking this for a humanitarian aid thread,
You might be better off to start a new thread, one that's agenda free and
where it's sole intent is to actually help people.

No mistake....the flotilla's aims were to bring much wanted aid and expose Israel's mis-treatment of the people of Gaza.....but little has changed as they answer to no one. Try for a minute to put yourself in the shoes of a male in Gaza.....what would you do?
What are their options? If you honestly believe that there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza then I know that I'm not going to convince you otherwise.

If you'd go back and read over this thread you'd realize that I've never once denied that there's a crisis in Gaza, but I'd have thought it should be pretty clear here to anyone paying attention that if there was as much emphasis placed on helping the situation as there is in getting the boot in to Israel at every turn, deserved or not, the people of Gaza might be a whole lot better off.

Aren't "humanitarians" supposed to be peaceful, caring, tolerant and understanding people?
there are lads here that are no better than some Israelis imo
because the fact is, Hate begets Hate!

There are none so blind as those that will not see

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind"
Now if only I could remember where I heard that one 

[seafoid]

The settlers :


http://www.tabletmag.com/news-and-politics/77378/girls-at-war/?all=1


He is best-known for his notorious essay "Baruch Hagever," praising Baruch Goldstein's 1994 murder of 29 Arabs in the Cave of the Patriarch. Goldstein, he wrote, was, following the five halakhic principles: sanctifying God's name, saving life, revenge, eradication of the seed of Amalek, and war


Don't wait until the Lord, blessed be he, brings us redemption. Get up and initiate." Rav Gadi and his flock have to work harder to build a physical home for the divine presence. And who better to serve as the handmaidens of God's kingdom on earth than a flock of adoring, fervent teenage girls?

Girls who feel they experienced a miracle will share it to spread the word. Others confess. They cry, repent, rejoice. The music intensifies. The girls dance, harder and harder, reviving, replenishing the spirit. It can go on all night, particularly before Rosh Hashana. By morning every girl is free of her emotional mess, rejuvenated, joined to each other, and filled with God.

Every activity, in fact, is in the service of God. Math and grades were not so important, she said.

"The only way we can live together is if they are put on trucks and taken away," said Corinne, carrying the dishes to the sink

Do they teach about Arabs at school?

"No. In my class one girl didn't have a brother. One didn't have parents because of the terrorism," she said. "It's not all about the hate. It's a different reality we are born into, so the hate came with the reality."

A reality for this generation spawned by an ideological plan that unleashed a collective experience of murder and revenge that is now embedded in the communal DNA. A senior I met at Ofra's high school named Shachar was eerily articulate about exactly what defined this generation of girls. "Our life has more meaning than kids brought up in America," she said. "We are brought up not to waste our time. We can't go on Facebook at school. We volunteer in our free time because what matters is not me, it's the nation," she said. Politically too they were fairly united. "Two states, two lands is not an option. This land is ours. We don't close our eyes to the fact that Palestinians are living on the other side of the fence. But our parents come from the United States. We grew up in this situation. It's more burning for us."

Who was Amalek? I asked.
Any enemy of the Jews—the Amalekites, the Arabs, the Nazis, the Palestinians, even the desire to do evil, she said. What Amalek has is azut hakodesh—nerve, maddened by the holy spirit. "Even though Amalek knew that we are the chosen people, they fought against us," said Roni. "That is why we need to destroy them."

Within 45 minutes, a gang of girls, including Roni, was gathered at the bus stop, headed to Shiloh junction to throw stones at Palestinian cars, and shout, "Death to the Arabs."

[Gaoth Dobhair Abu]

Irish aid ship bound for Gaza

Updated: 17:55, Wednesday, 2 November 2011 RTE
 
An Irish and a Canadian aid ship are currently in international waters on their way to Gaza to take part in a humanitarian mission.
In July, the Irish ship, the MV Saoirse, was at the centre of allegations it had been sabotaged by Israel.
A chunk was found to be missing from the ship's propeller shaft which activists claimed could not have been done accidentally.
Socialist MEP Paul Murphy, former Fianna Fáil TD Chris Andrews and two councillors from Sinn Fein are on board.
Israel will not permit the flotilla of pro-Palestinian activists who set sail from Turkey to reach their destination, a government official has told Reuters.
"They will not be allowed to breach the blockade," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
"The blockade is on, and no exceptions will be made," he said, adding that Israel "will take whatever measures will be necessary."

Will this be anything like their threats of "pre-emptive" strikes against Iran?

Did Turkey not state recently that they would escort ships to Gaza in the future?

[Gaoth Dobhair Abu]

Not a word.

[Nally Stand]

Is give her dixie involved in this flotilla? His updates are a big loss to the thread

[seafoid]

irishtimes.com - Last Updated: Saturday, November 5, 2011, 17:39
Israel to deport Irish Gaza activists
An image released by the Israel Defence Forces shows Israeli soldiers boarding the Irish vessel the MV Saoirse, which was carrying activists towards Gaza yesterday.An image released by the Israel Defence Forces shows Israeli soldiers boarding the Irish vessel the MV Saoirse, which was carrying activists towards Gaza yesterday.
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Fourteen Irish nationals aboard a Gaza-bound vessel intercepted by the Israeli navy yesterday face a deportation hearing today.

They are part of a group of 27 peace activists, from seven countries, who are being held at the Givon Detention Centre after undergoing security checks at Ashdod port. They can be held for 72 hours before being deported.

Israeli authorities said anyone who refuses to leave the country voluntarily would have access to a lawyer and 72 hours to appeal being sent home.

The Irish embassy was in contact with the Israeli authorities yesterday over the welfare of the Irish nationals and was assured all of them were safe.

Some Irish activists expressed concern the Israeli authorities might confiscate their personal belongings. Activists on previous flotillas complained laptop computers and mobile phones were not returned.

The Israeli military said no one was hurt when naval commandos boarded the Irish MV Saoirse  and the Canadian vessel MV Al-Tahrir  after the captains refused repeated requests to turn around.

A military spokesman said the boats were in international waters in the Mediterranean when they were stopped, between 40 and 60 miles from the coast.

The Israeli military issued a short video clip showing a naval official calling on the ships to turn around. "Your attempt to enter the Gaza Strip by sea is a violation of international law.

"We remind you that humanitarian supplies can be delivered to the Gaza Strip by land, and you are welcome to enter Ashdod port and deliver supplies through land crossings", the navy officer said.

Satellite phone links were blocked shortly before the maritime interception.

Activists from Gaza who helped co-ordinate the flotilla called the Israeli action illegal and called for the immediate release of all those arrested.

Israel imposed a maritime blockade on the Gaza strip in 2007 after Hamas came to power. It claims the restrictions are necessary to stop weapons reaching militant groups.

Yesterday's peaceful interception was in sharp contrast to the events of May 2010, when Israeli commandos boarded the Turkish Mavi Marmara ship, the flagship vessel of a flotilla trying to reach Gaza, and killed nine Turkish Islamic activists, some of them armed with clubs and knives.

Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs Eamon Gilmore said in a statement last night: "My initial reaction is one of relief that there has been no violence and that all the Irish nationals aboard the MV Saoirse  are safe and well following this ordeal.

"My priority and responsibility throughout this whole episode, as in relation to previous flotillas attempting to sail to Gaza, has been to ensure that no harm would come to any Irish national involved and I am relieved that this has been accomplished."

[mylestheslasher]

Not a word.

Sure what else can be said about the fascist Israeli government.

[seafoid]

Not a word.

Sure what else can be said about the fascist Israeli government.

You can't say anything about Israel, Myles. Otherwise you are antisemitic.
What a joke.

[cicfada]

Until the yanks start threatening the Israelis  with a reduction in aid the Israelis will continue to do what they like! So these flotillas are pointless really. The aid will never get to the people of Gaza and the only  thing resulting from  this is to direct some attention to the siege!  It's an awful situation for the Palestinians and it is so counterproductive  for the  Israelis as the only response  that  a lot of Palesitinians  will  engage in is joining the suicide  bomber groups!!! The Israelis are bastards no doubt but  I just  wish that Arafat had accepted the huge concessions that he was offered by Ehud Barak in the talks in  Camp David  in the 90s! I mean wouldn't they be a bit better off now??

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

Israelis: the only people on the planet to 'deport' you from a country you weren't going to in the first place.