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Re: The SDLP
« Reply #285 on: February 12, 2019, 11:41:43 AM »
Electoral pacts serve what purpose? Keep themmuns out? That's the politics of a cess pit. That mentality has this place in the mess it is. Every party should stand on its manifesto. The electorate should then go out and vote for the party they think best represents them. Vote for something. Argue, disagree etc, but go out and vote for something rather than voting against something.

Agreed. I personally only vote for one party that i agree with on a majority of issues. A pact would be no good to me as i would not vote for a different party just so another "side" wont get in.

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Re: The SDLP
« Reply #286 on: February 12, 2019, 12:13:39 PM »
Claire Hanna is undoubtedly articulate, but like most politicians a little too rehearsed in her arguments. I think Claire and her supporters like Briege Rogers represent the cultural nationalist wing of the SDLP and the slightly greener part has cast them adrift with the Fianna Fail alliance. The Shinners seem to be mopping up the yoof so difficult for the SDLP to keep going with out a broader all-Ireland approach. Their mistake is in only going half way.

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« Reply #287 on: February 23, 2019, 06:29:44 PM »
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF ‘understanding’,  This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

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« Reply #288 on: February 23, 2019, 06:51:18 PM »
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF ‘understanding’,  This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

SDLP are a busted flush now....but what gets me is SF voters who see no wrong in their party.....a party that endorsed Tory austerity and awarded PIP assessment contracts to Capita.

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« Reply #289 on: February 23, 2019, 07:36:44 PM »
Dunno if the parties have a hatred of Sinn Fein it’s just very easy to point out their hypocrisy on a range of issues

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Re: The SDLP
« Reply #290 on: February 23, 2019, 10:01:38 PM »
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF ‘understanding’,  This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

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Re: The SDLP
« Reply #291 on: February 23, 2019, 10:19:50 PM »
Dunno if the parties have a hatred of Sinn Fein it’s just very easy to point out their hypocrisy on a range of issues
I’d say the truth is that the SDLP are raging that Sinn Fein have driven them to political insignificance and Fianna Fáil are wary they’re next. No more, no less.


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Re: The SDLP
« Reply #292 on: February 23, 2019, 11:00:53 PM »
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF ‘understanding’, This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

No they don’t think that. They just think it’s the right thing to do. Imagine that?

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« Reply #293 on: February 24, 2019, 12:30:36 AM »
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF ‘understanding’, This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

No they don’t think that. They just think it’s the right thing to do. Imagine that?

At this stage, SF are one of the greatest obstacles to United Ireland, both in their coat trailing demeanour and their inability to put forward a credible economic policy that does not involve taxing the shite out of people. The challenge for SF is not whether they can please their own cultists but whether they can in fact actually advance a United Ireland.   
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Re: The SDLP
« Reply #294 on: February 24, 2019, 09:15:57 AM »
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF ‘understanding’,  This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

SF have created a two party sectarian state in NI. They think the election results in the North are an honest reflective of their popularity. The recent Presidential election showed were they are. A protest vote

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Re: The SDLP
« Reply #295 on: February 24, 2019, 09:30:24 AM »
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF ‘understanding’, This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

No they don’t think that. They just think it’s the right thing to do. Imagine that?

At this stage, SF are one of the greatest obstacles to United Ireland, both in their coat trailing demeanour and their inability to put forward a credible economic policy that does not involve taxing the shite out of people. The challenge for SF is not whether they can please their own cultists but whether they can in fact actually advance a United Ireland.

SF could look to Brexit. Brexit shows that you can win a referendum on the basis of sloganeering. But major constitutional change against the backdrop of a divided electorate needs detailed planning. At this stage there is no indication that SF can or are even trying to achieve that. Right now a special place in hell awaits for them and their Faragesque posturing

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Re: The SDLP
« Reply #296 on: February 24, 2019, 09:35:34 AM »
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF ‘understanding’,  This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

SF have created a two party sectarian state in NI. They think the election results in the North are an honest reflective of their popularity. The recent Presidential election showed were they are. A protest vote

The DUP and SF votes are protest votes that are encouraged by the D’Hondt/Jefferson system. Nationalists are encouraged to vote SF to prevent a DUP FM. And vice versa

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« Reply #297 on: February 24, 2019, 09:25:12 PM »
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF ‘understanding’,  This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

SF have created a two party sectarian state in NI. They think the election results in the North are an honest reflective of their popularity. The recent Presidential election showed were they are. A protest vote

The DUP and SF votes are protest votes that are encouraged by the D’Hondt/Jefferson system. Nationalists are encouraged to vote SF to prevent a DUP FM. And vice versa

As institutionalised by the flawed St Andrews agreement to provide a fig leaf for SF and DUP to get together in government and have SF onboard with policing.


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« Reply #298 on: February 25, 2019, 11:24:11 AM »
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF ‘understanding’,  This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

SDLP are a busted flush now....but what gets me is SF voters who see no wrong in their party.....a party that endorsed Tory austerity and awarded PIP assessment contracts to Capita.
I vote SF, but do not agree with all that they do and would love the chance to vote for a proper nationalist party without the baggage associated with memorials etc... The SDLP though criticise SF for not rolling over on the assembly, I don't want nationalists to go into Stormont without proper recognition of our rights as Irish citizens and equality for all that it embraces, which is the problem I have with the SDLP.

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« Reply #299 on: February 25, 2019, 11:25:48 AM »
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF ‘understanding’, This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

No they don’t think that. They just think it’s the right thing to do. Imagine that?
All the Nationalist parties north and south are all over the show on this, it is up to them all to carve out a way forward not just the Shinners.