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snoopdog

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Re: The SDLP
« Reply #240 on: January 25, 2019, 11:27:30 AM »
I would have voted SF in the past. But they have done nothing for anyone in the last few years.
If The SDLP had Claire Hanna as a leader then they may well start to make gains. Joining with FF i think is not the answer.
Sf sit back while health education etc is collapsing around them all just to get one over the DUP. Its fine for mary lou she has no family in the North. I live in Dublin now but i see with elderly parents what the outcome of this sf dup stand off is. Its time for a change from both sides. 

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Re: The SDLP
« Reply #241 on: January 25, 2019, 11:29:13 AM »
Agree here - have lost major respect for SF at a very local level over the past year!

Apart from John Finucane - not many if any inspire me.

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Re: The SDLP
« Reply #242 on: January 25, 2019, 01:09:29 PM »
I would have voted SF in the past. But they have done nothing for anyone in the last few years.
If The SDLP had Claire Hanna as a leader then they may well start to make gains. Joining with FF i think is not the answer.
Sf sit back while health education etc is collapsing around them all just to get one over the DUP. Its fine for mary lou she has no family in the North. I live in Dublin now but i see with elderly parents what the outcome of this sf dup stand off is. Its time for a change from both sides.

Interesting that there's a lot of support for Claire Hanna, who wouldn't be a huge advocate for a UI. Claire would also be on the very left of the party.

Agree the whole link up is a bit underwhelming but get the impression that both parties have left room to reverse out of the link-up should it tank.

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Re: The SDLP
« Reply #243 on: January 25, 2019, 02:54:05 PM »
I would have voted SF in the past. But they have done nothing for anyone in the last few years.
If The SDLP had Claire Hanna as a leader then they may well start to make gains. Joining with FF i think is not the answer.
Sf sit back while health education etc is collapsing around them all just to get one over the DUP. Its fine for mary lou she has no family in the North. I live in Dublin now but i see with elderly parents what the outcome of this sf dup stand off is. Its time for a change from both sides.

Can you explain that?

My reading of the current scenario is that SF made concessions and came to a deal with the DUP, which was then veto'ed by 'shadowy forces' behind the DUP. What would you have SF do? The ball clearly isn't in their court - they don't even have anyone to negotiate with, as the DUP don't appear to have any power to agree a deal!!

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Re: The SDLP
« Reply #244 on: January 25, 2019, 04:29:24 PM »
I would have voted SF in the past. But they have done nothing for anyone in the last few years.
If The SDLP had Claire Hanna as a leader then they may well start to make gains. Joining with FF i think is not the answer.
Sf sit back while health education etc is collapsing around them all just to get one over the DUP. Its fine for mary lou she has no family in the North. I live in Dublin now but i see with elderly parents what the outcome of this sf dup stand off is. Its time for a change from both sides.
I think the SDLP still have a few decent politicians out there but the damage done by the years of Dr Death (McDonnell) and Ritchie leaves them way back. Hanna is one and I don't think Eastwood is that bad. They have made out to be west brits by SF now and the fact that they were seen to have delivered nothing in the years they had the majority has left them on the outside.

Will SF be accused of the same in future years - Stormont as good as closed down for the foreseeable future with the Brexit issues and there is a genuine threat of a border in Ireland again. SF didn't cause that but they were in the front seat during it.

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Re: The SDLP
« Reply #245 on: January 25, 2019, 06:39:13 PM »
I would have voted SF in the past. But they have done nothing for anyone in the last few years.
If The SDLP had Claire Hanna as a leader then they may well start to make gains. Joining with FF i think is not the answer.
Sf sit back while health education etc is collapsing around them all just to get one over the DUP. Its fine for mary lou she has no family in the North. I live in Dublin now but i see with elderly parents what the outcome of this sf dup stand off is. Its time for a change from both sides.

Can you explain that?

My reading of the current scenario is that SF made concessions and came to a deal with the DUP, which was then veto'ed by 'shadowy forces' behind the DUP. What would you have SF do? The ball clearly isn't in their court - they don't even have anyone to negotiate with, as the DUP don't appear to have any power to agree a deal!!

Mc Guinness tried very hard to make things work - for the betterment of everyone, regardless of who they were or where they lived.  The DUP did everything in their power to walk all over nationalists.  The list is endless. Was so happy when Mc Guinness pulled the pin on Stormont to be honest.  There was no power sharing at that time.  The DUP still have the 1920 mentalitybut times have changed.  No return to Stormont for me.

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Re: The SDLP
« Reply #246 on: January 26, 2019, 11:41:50 AM »
Heard Colm Eastwood on Radio Ulster yesterday morning saying he is ready to go into Stormont and get the institutions up and running again. Interesting perspective there. I wonder which of the important basic, reasonable measures that SF are looking for would the SDLP relinquish for that goal?  Irish Language act? Marriage Equality? SF voters gave the party a very clear message that the policy of appeasing the DUP and giving them their way was not going to be tolerated any more. In fact, in the two elections during which time SF were in power with the DUP, the entire nationalist vote went down because they decided not to vote for either party. Colm Eastwood is totally out of touch if he thinks that the position of northern nationalists has changed one iota from that position. In fact, if anything, the Brexit thing has probably entrenched us even more. The DUP went against the advice of all the other parties in NI, the entire business community and every analysis from normal rational people and voted against the Backstop which would have been a genuine financial dynamo for this unworkable entity of NO, but they turned against it, despite knowing a majority here voted to Remain. None of this is evidence of new, reasonable thinking within that party which would make them amenable to nationalist aspirations if Stormont were to return. In fact, every time you watch their interviews, it just entrenches us even more. Colm Eastwood stating he is prepared to walk into Stormont with them without stating under which conditions, is further evidence of his waffle type answers and why the SDLP is dead in the water.

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Re: The SDLP
« Reply #247 on: January 26, 2019, 11:48:10 AM »
SF were quite prepared to sacrifice ILA & marriage equality, if you remember correctly

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« Reply #248 on: January 26, 2019, 11:51:26 AM »
DOnít think they were. there was a choreography agreed that would see both of these introduced in time through the ending of the petition of concern and the fact that the ILA is a Westminster piece of legislation.

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Re: The SDLP
« Reply #249 on: January 26, 2019, 12:28:05 PM »
I donít know anyone that thinks marriage equality is enough not to have a functioning government, SF know it isnít too, they were content without marriage equality or an ILA for years, marriage equality is just yet another cause that SF aligned themselves with.

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Re: The SDLP
« Reply #250 on: January 26, 2019, 03:38:41 PM »
Standard exchange

'SF should do whatever it takes to get back into government'

'well, they did make a lot of compromises to reach an agreement with the DUP, but it was then veto'ed by others, so the balls not really in their court'

'ha, SF obviously don't care about any of those issues they were going to compromise on'

'Well, they do, but they were willing to compromise like you said'

'...................none of those issues matter anyway'

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Re: The SDLP
« Reply #251 on: January 27, 2019, 08:39:43 PM »
SF do not care one iota for an ILA or marriage equality and if you think they do youíre a fool. This is about playing to the Felons club who have seen the DUP run rings around an inept SF leadership and have simply called time because the political ability doesnít exist in the party to take on the DUP.

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Re: The SDLP
« Reply #252 on: January 27, 2019, 09:52:18 PM »
I am not a sf fan by any stretch but I really donít think the dup have been running rings round them. All the dups ďducksĒ have lined up but they will come unstuck soon enough.

I would agree that I donít think they care about an ila or marriage equality mind you. They probably are the right things to take them on at though.

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Re: The SDLP
« Reply #253 on: January 27, 2019, 11:27:27 PM »
The only people the DUP have been running rings around are the people in the north whose livelihoods they are treating with complete contempt.

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Re: The SDLP
« Reply #254 on: February 09, 2019, 11:55:06 PM »
MLA Claire Hanna seems to have deleted all SDLP mentions from social media, where next for what seems like a very competent politician?